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Thread: Publish 10 Feedback: Jedi Revamp Part 2, The Jedi Trials

Jediforcefighter
Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:24 pm
#937

I didn't get 32 professions so i have nothing to say about that.

When the old man came to me, he said a few words.

When he came I talked to him and got the crystal. The started looking for the sith.



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Twiggy_Gorath
Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:44 pm
#938






Lordunix wrote:

Now there's an idea worth doing. Very good point Karthrag-Inak. Would sure help a lot of people out that did like me and made a few mistakes based on not knowing a thing.






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Message Edited by Twiggy_Gorath on 09-07-2004 04:44 PM

JudoKnight
Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:54 pm
#939

New possible bugs...spawn timer seems to be broken on several POI spots (Woolymander Palace, etc.) as well as some planets almost devoid of random lair spawns. Several guildmembers reflecting same information




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Lordunix
Tue Sep 07, 2004 4:56 pm
#940

I feel for you man. And don't think your the only one who is NOT lucky in this game. I my self had had one run of bad luck after another. In over a year I still have yet to loot a crystal. I swear the has to be a "this guy gets no loot" flag that they set on my char.
TheDarkTrumpet
Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:20 pm
#941



Lordunix wrote:
I feel for you man. And don't think your the only one who is NOT lucky in this game. I my self had had one run of bad luck after another. In over a year I still have yet to loot a crystal. I swear the has to be a "this guy gets no loot" flag that they set on my char.





You're not the only one who never received a crystal...and yes it annoys me too.

I think I killed upwards of about 1000-2000 meatlumps, a few nightsister elders, and a few hundred other nightsisters and nada...nothing, not one drop of a crystal.

As far as feedback on this system,

I'm annoyed, to be perfectly honest. This is literally insane, the fact that we have conversion rates that literally make people relearning a profession over, and over, and simply over again. I know there are some players who are extremely good grinders, and can easily rake out the exp to get there (one person already is done with a tree, and working on the next), but some of us actually have what's called...a LIFE. I, for one, can't depend on grinding that much to finally get to jedi.

A possible solution, maybe the devs can think about, is something to reward the vet players of this game. I mean holy cripes, I've been playing since day 1. No, I may not have every single profession done, done the holo grind, or seen every POI - but I had fun, hunting, PvPing, and doing things with friends. Should I be punished because I hate to grind? Maybe, if you devs don't mind, maybe think of a sort of 'vet reward' system, such that the conversion rates go somewhat near normal range for people who've been here for so long. I mean seriously, if you wanna keep dedicated players, give some help to them - the dedicated players will probably continue to be here for a long long time, the newer people, here just for jedi, will come and go. 30:1 ratio for jedi is plain silly, it really is pretty rough to handle. Instead, maybe for vet players make it 10:1, or even lower. I mean come on, everyone in this game should be able to experience every class, not just rewarding the grinders day in and day out.

This same complaint goes to the corvette, and other dungeons. I like to hunt with smaller groups, of between 4-5 players. Heck, not all of us are masters, not all of us are dressed in composite, not all of us are powergamers, but we are a tight group of friends who enjoy playing. What are we rewarded with? dying on the top level of the corvette.

Please stop favoring only the power gamer, there are others here too!



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ThothTheWise
Tue Sep 07, 2004 5:56 pm
#942






TheRealWalker wrote:





DaNumpty wrote:

There is a great disturbance in the force. A new path to become a Jedi has evolved and the sound of a 10000 accounts being cancelled over this latest insult to SOE's customers can be heard though out the galaxy.








This brings to light a point:

The devs have to walk a line....

How do you get people to give up being Jedi without giving up the game itself?






funny thing is...this game was FUN before jedi came to be. The reason we hadn't done everything there was to do and people still had places to go see..(no bikes) people were all in the same relative areas (no player cities)...and there was still new content to do and experience.


Travel made this world tosmall to fast....yet the addition of player cities made it to large to fast by spreading out the population to much. And their idea of content (make your own) MIGHT have worked if the GCW was viable. With various professions STILL not working as intended...and the concept of "Solo Groups" (how absurd) because everything is so easily soloable.....they had to ad special dungeons of "content" that are almost impossible to do unless you fall into the Power Gamer group.



JTL is the make or break feature. If its relativly fun ...with content that will last say 7 months and WORKS as intended...they MIGHT have a chance to salvage the ground portion of the game. My year subscription ends next july...I may not be playing untill then. Dropped two alts the first of the year, and my main crafter goes poof come december.


EQ2, WoW, and a few other titles are comming out. I shall not err as i did here, to be sure. I shall sit and suck up my prepaid time for now..and see what the communities playing those games end up saying abpout their title befor buying it. The Industry has been watching SWG and has learned a great deal, I am sure. So I fully expect my next experience to be a much more fulfilling one than what I have experienced here.


This title can be saved...i have no doubts. I just doubt i have the patience to keep paying for things I find I am not enjoying. I have already spent two years playing this title trying to help and improve it...and still paying for a Beta class title.


The conversion rate is a tad over the top IMHO. But your trying to limit the influx of jedi. Ya should have simply left them out. Hindsight is usually 20/20....sucks to be you.




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Jediforcefighter
Tue Sep 07, 2004 6:26 pm
#943

Well EmeraldBlade, we've all been screwed. Because our grinding in the darkness was in vain if we didn't hit the silentprofessions on the head. All our grinding and force to do more grinding takes 30x1combat profession. Means if you didn't do holos(in which i did thinking i'd get more credit or unlock), then you have to grind an approximate number of 45 combatprofessions{(30x1)+(30x0.5)}.



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EmeraldBlade
Tue Sep 07, 2004 9:45 pm
#944






Jediforcefighter wrote:

Well EmeraldBlade, we've all been screwed. Because our grinding in the darkness was in vain if we didn't hit the silentprofessions on the head. All our grinding and force to do more grinding takes 30x1combat profession. Means if you didn't do holos(in which i did thinking i'd get more credit or unlock), then you have to grind an approximate number of 45 combatprofessions{(30x1)+(30x0.5)}.






actualy check your math. a noob entering the village needs i belive 22.2 combat proffessions worth of exp. (maybe you are forgetting the pre-reqs and/or the combat exp. )



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BatosaiB
Tue Sep 07, 2004 10:56 pm
#945

I have been a loyal customer for SOEand waited a long time in this game until I get to weild a Saber ..... I have been away once in a while to take break, Came back saw the new Pub 10 got 3 free Unlocks and went to the guy in the village and he gave me a list of some FS professions, So I clicked on it to know more about it and it gave me 1.2 mil FS XP!!! I was like WOW what happend?(No guide in this game to tell youwhat to do)So saw that I clicked on Health something and has 3 more trees like survay, Luck and stuff, Looked at the converting Ratio and and almost passed out, What in the world are you guys thinking? I mean I had 900k Rifle 900k Swordsman and 900k Unamred Plus 300k (capped on all) Combat and I got 900/30= 30k xp?!?! This is wrong..... bottom line...thissystem is messed up.....


If I'm FS I should earn FS xp not normal xp. Make itlonger to gain but PLEASE TAKE THIS CONVERTING STUFF OUT OF THE GAME. ENDLESS KILLING AND CAMPING AND CRAFTING IS NOT THE IDEA......


I have to grind my Xp then go all the way back to the village, then do it again and again... either lower the converting ratio or give us one type of XP, FS XP, not crafting, not combat and not something weired.....


Account has been canceled until this is fixed, If not goodluck to all you guys that are grinding.



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lakeo
Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:01 pm
#946

dont know if this is the right fourm but i think i have a bug the sith camp that im supposed to go to after i kill the 2 sith shawdows has disseapered off the map and off the face of the planet my journal says its completed but i have no reward or wp to the villige or anything so i cant advance
BorgFox
Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:53 pm
#947

I cant agree more. I have been paying this game for more than a year now and enjoyed it in most part because even if your not a hardcore player you could came off with almost the same result. But now!!! This is madness.


With those rate of XP trade its going to take me ages to finishone branch. Imagine SIX!!!!! And i didn't have any free branchs


I had to trade off 100K of combat xp just to get my novice combat prowess and this is just 50k of FS combat xp.


I did like this game very much until i unlocked my first FS slot. Now im pretty much bored. I dont play 6 or 7 hours a day and im pretty sure most of the players dont. So i would like someone tells me how am i supposed to become a Jedi with this system. If i play 3 hours a day 7 days a week, i think after a rough approximation that it could take me at least 8 months to get my jedi initiate. Thats not really encouraging. And that if i only work on it as soon as i log.


I dont know if the DEV's will come up with some more great idea like this but right now, for the first time since i got the game, im really thinking about quiting. As much as i like the game, i dont feel like the DEV's, SOE or Lucasarts are trying to make the game more interresting or more challenging but only trying to make longer so i have to pay that subsciption fee another year. Well i did pay for more than a year and was willing to pay for another one but since i cant really enjoy every aspect of the game if im not playing 7 hours a day 7 days a week thats just not fair.



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Daslug
Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:09 am
#948

Not sure if this is the right place, I don't have a complaint, just a question


Is there any particular reason why Enhanced Reflexes - Survival, with its +5 bonus to camping/foraging/mask scent/creature harvesting/creature knowledge/trapping/terrain negotiation does not allow the conversion of scout/trapping/survival/creature handling experience for the required FS experience?


Seems that the scout and creature handling (which require two lines of scout) experience are directly related to this line rather than ones that give benefits to doctors/entertainers/surveyors
Infuser_Even
Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:30 am
#949

Here is a question for you devs, why cant us BHs track our Jedi marks anymore. Fix the tracking driods for good! You guys broke them again!!!



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