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I'd like my smuggler skill points back please, since you've destroyed 2/3 or more of the profession.

This is turning more and more into EQ with Blasters

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Coliak wrote:

One of the major problems with this patch I see is the removal of "defensive stacking" across Professions. For many of us non-TKA, we rely heavily on the ability to defend ourselves. Nerf TK, NOT defensive stacking! That's just a slap in the face to everyone that has worked so hard to attain defensive stats to legitimately defend themselves in PVP vs. TKM.

I hope I'm understanding this right - perhaps the devs can chime in and clarify but let's say I climb the defensive tree in Pikeman and then go Master Fencer. Are we to expect that the Pikeman defense stats would cancel out, or the other way around? How does SOE plan on addressing this exactly? How will the game determine what stats are null?

SOE, (or anyone with more info on this)- please tell us more about nerfing defensive stacking and what you expect the rest of the non-TKA community to do against such an invulnerable profession.

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Dude shut up with your nerf crap nerf tkm whine whine whine im on kauri and im a tkm there is a master swordsman named bethrezen he OWNS me ever time to tell you the truth he owns alot of peeps so dont whine that we are invunerable. TKM is powerful but with the new buff system we wont be as powerful not to mention the warcry nerf. Stop yelling nerf and read about the defense cap it states the cap will be 100 or something on whatever skill defense so if you can get (im just putting numbers here) say +50 vs KD with pistoleer and another +25 with a skill in fencer you will have +75 get some s.e.a that give you the other +25 and you will have +100 vs KD then get some defense vs Dizzy s.e.a then you will be hard for a tkm to take out. Dont come on hear and whine about a profession to be nerfed. I still dont understand the whole balance/nerf thing. Take a step back you cant relate a science fiction based game on reality. So this is kinda a dumb rationalizationbut bear with me a guy holding a flamethrower is gonna hurt you bad from 20m but if say Bruce Lee got close tothat flamethrower guy and laid into him a couple of times its gonna mess you up. Now as far as nerfing anything just stop you want to defend against tkm get 80% kenitic armor its out there that means a TKM will only be hitting you for 60 points of damage with our most powerful move. Or you dont like being KD dizzy all the time get novice doctor and you can heal the dizzy state. Or just be a tkm I am but you know whatI still loose in pvp. Crying about it will get you no where, figure out a way to defend yourself against them ok thanks good byePizzle

As far as the stacking nerf its cool

I have a suggestion to add with pub & to help wit hthe lag we all love

STOP ADDING STUPID LOOTS JUsT TRY IT GO ONE WEEK OR EVEN TWO WEEK AND DONT ADD ANYMORE CDEF WEAPONS OR 1 UNIT OF MILK OR BLANK YES WHATS WITH THIS BLANK S.E.AI DONT KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT COMP GAMES OR PROGRMING BUT I DO KNOW STUFF ADDED INTO SERVER TAKES UP SPACE I.E USES DATA AND THE MORE DATA THERE IS THE SLOWER THINGS ARE GONNA TRANSER

ok sorry about caps but amI alone here I am not asking for +10 weapon experm tape every time no that would be stupid all im saying is stopwith the loot that is gonna just get desroyed the second we open our inventory I would much reather get 100 credits then see the you got loot message and open to find a stone knife come on get real is this a dev joke or something I truley cant understand the point of the useles lootI say NO loot (just credits), decent loot +2 to +5 good loot +6 to +9 and the 1 in a life time loot +10----+25 or do the same thing with the weapons and componets ifwe are gonan get loot then make it decent not stuff we are gonna throw away thats all we are looking for stop with the 133 max damage nightsister lances stop with the cdef anything think about it our bazzars would be faster lag would be lowered I bet thinking in data here there is 10 GB of useless loot within each servereither in your house in you bank or in yourback pack thats alot of data just delete it all so us the favor ok nuff said pizzle

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Wisky wrote:

im on kauri and im a tkm there is a master swordsman named bethrezen he OWNS me ever time to tell you the truth he owns alot of peeps

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Wow, that gave me a headache. I guess that explains all the piffling of those strung out on speed. This is off topic, but I feel so compelled to say something to our future generations when I read a post like this. Spend less time playing games and more time trying to comprehend the basics of language and grammar. When you have this basic knowledge, you can communicate clearly with those around you. Instead of saying things like, "im on kauri and im a tkm there is a master swordsman", try saying:

"While I am powerful as Teras Kasi, I witnessed a swordsman named Bethrezen overpower many other players on my server."

By the way, the word you're looking for is "people", not "peeps". This isn't the hood. This is a computer game forum. Your nonsensical contributions will be much more appreciated when you can learn to write complete sentences and use punctuation and proper spelling. Don't feel targeted Wisky - there are many out there that are spreading thisterrible disease.

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Coliak wrote:

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Wisky wrote:

im on kauri and im a tkm there is a master swordsman named bethrezen he OWNS me ever time to tell you the truth he owns alot of peeps

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Wow, that gave me a headache. I guess that explains all the piffling of those strung out on speed. This is off topic, but I feel so compelled to say something to our future generations when I read a post like this. Spend less time playing games and more time trying to comprehend the basics of language and grammar. When you have this basic knowledge, you can communicate clearly with those around you. Instead of saying things like, "im on kauri and im a tkm there is a master swordsman", try saying:

"While I am powerful as Teras Kasi, I witnessed a swordsman named Bethrezen overpower many other players on my server."

By the way, the word you're looking for is "people", not "peeps". This isn't the hood. This is a computer game forum. Your nonsensical contributions will be much more appreciated when you can learn to write complete sentences and use punctuation and proper spelling. Don't feel targeted Wisky - there are many out there that are spreading thisterrible disease.

Now, to address the defense stacking nerf. I've read more about this and it appears the stacking is capped at "125". In a way, I found out the answer to my own question. I still believe with the offensive stats of a TKM, they are too powerful. In Wisky's case, this swordsman is likely stackingdefensive stats from other professions. That's precisely the reason for this nerf that I'm talking about. This swordsman may not be able to "own" so many people after Publish 7. Once I discovered that the cap would be 125, I thought that was reasonable. Initially, it upset me to read that without knowing what the cap would be. Now that I know, I'm less concerned with it. When you look at other elite and hybrid professions, they simply don't measure up toa Teras Kasi. The time and work involved in attaining master ranks in these professions is not only difficult, but costly. For example, look at a Master Bounty Hunter and their defensive stats:

Master Bounty Hunter: (Requires 217 Skill Points)

Melee Defense: +2

Ranged Defense: +24

Maybe you're thinking, "but a Master Bounty Hunter has tremendous offensive stats". Not exactly, look at this:

Light Lightning Cannon Accuracy: +70

Light Lightning Cannon Speed: +60

Pistol Accuracy: +130

Pistol Speed: +80

Carbine Accuracy: +120

Carbine Speed: +80

It's not terrible, but let's compare offensive and defensive stats with a Master Teras Kasi:

Master Teras Kasi: (Requires 92 Skill Points)

Melee Defense: +57

Ranged Defense: +45

Defense vs. Knockdown: +20

Defense vs. Blind: 10

Defense vs. Stun: +15

Defense vs. Dizzy: +5

Defense vs. Posture Change: +30

Defense Acuity: +81

Unarmed Toughness: +57

Unarmed Accuracy: +205

Unarmed Damage: +245

Unarmed Speed: +115 (Do Teras Kasi really NEED this?)

In the end, a Master Bounty Hunter is left with 33 skill points to play with. A Master Teras Kasi is left with 158. Let's not also forget the +100 to Meditation perk the Teras Kasi gets. It's not hard to do the math. A Teras Kasi can easily bring those defensive stats up to 100+ and still remain virtually impossible to defeat. I'm not saying there isn't another combination of professions that would work as Wisky has suggested, but TKM needs to be nerfed or the other professions need a love patch. TKMs are simply dealing too much damage too fast and not taking enough themselves. Why do you think TKMs are always running around wanting to duel everyone?

That's my $0.02...

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Ok, I am sorry once again for speaking off topic. I truley am ,but I was very very angry that you had to resort to talking about grammer. I can understand that you are aggravated with fighting tkm they are tough. Even more so once the pub hits live. But screaming nerf is not the answer, I say add more melee defense to the ranged professions. I think that the defensive cap may help. I think it is wrong to have numerous amounts of characters running around the galaxy dabbling in professions. But to say that one profession is over powered is not the answer. Im not sure about the exact quote but you stated somethng along the lines of " all the work we did to get the defenses " well I worked hard to get to tkm. Is it fair to nerf my profession because you cant find a way to defend against it? I dont think so, all professions have thier advantages and disadvantages. You need to choose what profession suits you best for what you do. I dont think doing what you want to do and then saying "after defense stack cap I wont be able to kill tkm". This is not a fact. How many times haveyou pvp'd ? I gained around 2k faction points total in pvp and I still consider myself a n00b. Sorry about bringing it up like I said I was mad, but remember what i stated in the pm i sent you about master rifle man. They are uber, they can hit for 1k plus from 50m or more out and they are hitting an unhealable pool. Not to mention RM have bleed shot. Then take carbineers they can KD and dizzy and stun and blind from 30-40m out I am helpless agaisnt this unless I burst run to them afterI stand that is. As far astkm go they do inflict alot of damage but its only one type kenitic and thereis armor thathas a 80% resist to this, also tkm have no bleed hit andour most powerfull move hits all pools. Not to mention if you are 13m from meI cant hityou. So I say once again I am truley sorry for talking smack. I am truley sorry for not posting something that is on subject. I am truley sorry for not useing the proper grammer. I have no excuse it just eerks me when peoplecry nerf cause they can't dosomething on thier own. TKM are tough but they can be beat ..

No worries - I'm glad you could get on the subject. I say TK should be nerfed because they really have no serious weaknesses. Look at a TKM's defensive and offensive stats. Here's where the irony of this patch kicks in and why I say "nerf 'em":

Teras Kasi Masters have 205 to Unarmed Accuracy and 245 to Unarmed Damage. Here's a few examples of other Master combat professions and their offensive stats:

Master Rifleman: Rifle Accuracy +160 Rifle Aiming +100

Thanks for replying maturely - you make some good points. Every profession has their advantages and disadvantages. The only real disadvantage of a Teras Kasi is the inability to lunge at someone with a ranged attack. Beyond that, they are the strongest profession in the game and in my opinion is why they're as so many call them, "flavor of the month".