Development Cycle Archive

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Epak wrote:

Q,

Let's be clear. What does "becoming a Jedi" mean? Are you changing the way you UNLOCK the Jedi character, or are we only talking about PLAYING the Jedi character?

SOMEONE PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE A DEVELOPER HAS MADE THIS CLEAR

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http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=jedi&message.id=239495#M239495

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"Please ensure they hear our pleas to treat those of us who are not jedi fairly as well. Some of us have grinded many, many professions, and if we have not achieved the slot by the time the new system is in place, all of that effort could be for naught."

Thenew Jedi systemwill take into account how far along you are under the current system in achieving the opening of your force sensitive slot.

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Runesabre
Lead Designer

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And in case you all missed this post by Thunderheart this morning.

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=in_live&message.id=2254#M2254

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Khragon wrote:

A) Please be more descriptive in regards to what or how we will be compensated for our Jedi Holocron grinding and the new Quest system. Will we be compensated for only completing our 4 holo prof's or for all prof's up to that point?

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Sorry, no can do. I can't answer Jedi questions. I do read the posts and the Correspondent feedback though and pass the info along.

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R2DADROID wrote:

You have some valid points.

However, this is the one thing in this game I would like the developers to be consistent about.

For years they have said Jedis will be rare and being one will be more challenging than anything else in this game bar none.

I just don't see why they should go back on that 7 months into the game.

I don't want everyone I see to be a Jedi.

I don't want being a Jedi to be easy.

Also, the devs have said that what is in the movies is the true cannon. They've said they draw from all sorts of EU sources, but not when they conflict with the movies.

I'd think if there were a million Jedis after Episode IV, we would have heard about that in Episode V.

Most of all, I, and many others, bought into the devs' original idea of how to put Jedis in this game, and we still like it.

A side note: I've been a Star Wars fan since I saw the first one at my 5th birthday party in May 1977. I've had tons of Star Wars toys, bed sheets and curtains, cookie jars (Lucas' favorite Star Wars paraphenalia: an R2 cookie jar), books about the art and making of the movies, and whole slew of games.

I've yet to read any EU stuff and have generally ignored it.Heck, I didn't even know what EU stood for until I'd been playing this for a while. I knew it probably wasn't the European Union. (Psst: if someone readingthisis as clueless as I was:it stands for "Expanded Universe"... or something like that).

I'd never heard about Boba Fett survivng until I started playing this game.

However, I've heard so much good stuff about the Zahn books that I'll probably read them.

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great news, that the holo grinding craze that is currently going on will soon belong to history. however, i have a couple of concerns related to the other changes that are planned.
should the quests, which are needed to open the FSC slot be public, i am pretty sure we are going to see a run on them just like the one we are experiencing on holos at the moment. especially now, that one of the biggest deterrents from going for the FCS slot, is no longer there with the removal of permadeath. even if the quests will be hard to complete and therefore balance is maintained, this would still have a negative impact on the economy.
you finally managed to find somebody who used to make decent weapons or amor and then they tell you that they dropped the skill because they now go for their FCS slot. sound familiar ? don't get me wrong, i really do hope that i get proved wrong. just wanted to add my five cents here.

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Sidian_Starlight wrote:
great news, that the holo grinding craze that is currently going on will soon belong to history. however, i have a couple of concerns related to the other changes that are planned.
should the quests, which are needed to open the FSC slot be public, i am pretty sure we are going to see a run on them just like the one we are experiencing on holos at the moment. especially now, that one of the biggest deterrents from going for the FCS slot, is no longer there with the removal of permadeath. even if the quests will be hard to complete and therefore balance is maintained, this would still have a negative impact on the economy.
you finally managed to find somebody who used to make decent weapons or amor and then they tell you that they dropped the skill because they now go for their FCS slot. sound familiar ? don't get me wrong, i really do hope that i get proved wrong. just wanted to add my five cents here.

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I want to see a chance for failure here. A huge chance. A series of quests that test you before your given the slot. My personal thought is that the FSCS should be open to everyone but only those that will bring more to this game should bother with it. But I dont want to be the one to judge who should and shouldnt. So let fate decide. Do a quest wrong and you got to start all over. 3 attempts at starting over and your done and cant do it anymore. No FSCS for you.

PB32

As with all the games in this genre, keeping things in balance is a tedious and very difficult task. Most of the time, if not always, it is a matter of trial and error over a long period of time, until an almost balanced status is achieved. The longer MMORPGs are around, the better they usually get. Even though I have expressed a couple of concerns in my previous post, I still think that this revamp of the Jedi system addresses a lot of issues that i have read about on the forums. Especially the quest based system definitley beats the current holocron one ( can you say GRIND!? :-) )We'll just have to see how it works out, because if it does not, I am sure it will be changed again....
So let's wait and see

I don't know why people get so wound up about how many jedi there might be. Frankly, just what is the problem? I hear we have to keep with the Star Wars story and time line, and I ask why is that? I see this like any other roleplaying game, that is to say, we are given a setting and a framework, and are turned loose to write the story for ourselves from that point forward. The SWG world should be what we players make it, and that would be a clear reflection of our desires in game. We each paid $50.00 for software and we pay $15.00 a month, why should we not be able to play whatever profession we like?

IMHO, it was a misteak to make jedi the uber end game accomplishment, that just drove the wrong people to seek it for the wrong reasons. I also think the removal of petma death was a misteak, I was lookinf forward to playing under a system where things get real. Jedi should have unlocked 90 days after account activation, or simply have been a starting profession, had this been the way of things, there would be few or no issues or complaints regarding jedi.

I hope we get full recognition for out work toward the FSCS, meaning, for every one of the 5 professions mastered we get credit for 1/5 of the new path. As far as those who did other professions trying to find the silent one, that's like trying to figure out a quest and running into dead ends, it happens, and shouls not be shown as progress, it was not.

As always, this is just IMHO.

I'm glad the system is finally changing so that jedi are not made by grinding half the professions in the game. Whether it was a mistake or not to have it that way to start should soon be moot, kudos to the devs for recognizing the problem with holocrons and grinding.

That said, I do think it's a huge mistake to get rid of permadeath. Jedi were supposed to be extremely difficult to play, even frustrating to the point that players who had unlocked their slot would stop playing their fs character and go back to their first character. This was supposed to be the method to keep jedi rare. Jedi rarity is a must, because if they are to remain powerful (and I think everyone agrees that they should be), then a game world with jedi running around everywhere quickly becomes a game where everyone has to be jedi just to keep up, or to survive. With no way to recycle the jedi population as new jedi join the pool (permadeath) the game will fill up with jedi even more quickly than with profession grinding, regardless of how difficult the new quests are.

Good job on recognizing a system that needed changing...but I think you're changing some of the wrong parts. ...and when was this ever in concept or in development? Is it usual to put issues this big straight into testing?

This may sound stupid and all. But who is going to test the jedi patch? Does it mean Jedi have to test it when it goes live? And if devs are goingto do it internly are they going to figure out that jedi cant get apprentice xp?

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Sumorex wrote:

Recognition?

How are you going to give me recognition for something you don't track. This has me seeing red. You told use that you can NOT award badges for professions mastered prior to the introduction of the master badges. So how are you going to give me some kind of recognition for the 15 professions I've done trying to unlock this pathetic slot?

Leave the old system of unlocking in the game. If you want to put those with 4 of the 5 professions finished a leg up on the competition that is fine.... but I'll be damned if I'm gonna keep playing if the last bit to unlock a FS slot is any harder than mastering one profession.

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Again as a million people have stated...this isnt going to happen for another few publishes at least. They already have plans for feb's publish so we may not see it for awile yet. You master hologrinders can buy my Holo's (260k each) and grind and master 20 professions till your blue in the face.

You have a couple of months to do it. Go for it. Yall keep bragging how you can grind through professions in a few weeks and all that...go for it...you have time.

As far asperma-death....Even with it...you never lost your FSslot anyway....You still had it...how is that different then the skill loss system? I dont get it. People just like to whine and cry for no reason except to get attention. If you would just read and think about it for a second....things would become clear.

A quest based system for unlocking the FS will be fair for everyone. It will settle down the grinding away of professions, help out the economy a bit, get rid of 5million credit holo sales and more. Its a fair chance for all players who may want to experience the FS.

It will not raise jedi server populations. Most people i know are happy with their characters the way they are. Some dont even want to mess with jedi. Some will getrid of it because of the skill loss problem.