Development Cycle Archive
Thread: IC4: Path of the Jedi
RebellionCommando
Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:42 pm
#716
What would you do!! OF COURSE THEY WANT MORE MONEY...who wouldnt....and really who cares how many jedi are on a server....!!!
AdenRise wrote:
i dont think u should even be considering this whole path thing, its absolutely atrocious that someone will have the opportunity to screw over a very easy mission system.....i dont care how hard u say its gonna be, it will be exploited, destroyed and made public for everyone to see. you are giving every single person a chance to become something that is supposed to be "rare" as u stated at game release....but now ur gonna have every single person on the server grinding missions and doing the same thing in order to get jedi.....dont give me that you dont play for jedi, if u heard all u had to do was missions to get jedi, no matter how hard, that u wouldnt do them, thats bull and u know it.....missions are doable, its all about the money spent, and hey look uve got jedi now, i cant wait to see 3000 jedi running around coronet flashing their sabers because soe wanted to throw more money into the pot....this is a game, the mastering professions idea was perfectly fine because you had no idea what the hell u had to do to get jedi, and thats the life of a jedi, hard to impossible and not easily defined, yes it sounds stupid that u should have to master certain things to get jedi, but thats the price u pay in the game world......this is an effective way of keeping jedi rare in all occasions as u stated and i dont think u should even consider ruining it.......i can guarantee if there are hundreds of jedi running around cuz they had a million creds to spend, ur game is going down the tubes.
End3m0n1ada
Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:55 pm
#717
Maybe it's me but I see this thread as mainly pointless. If you want to know how to implement a Jedi quest system then just look at KOTOR - it's all there. The balanceof light vs dark was implemented along with variation in lightsabre design amongst other things. Plagarise I say 
Incidently on the whole light vs dark thingy I would envisage two seperate paths as being imperative. Dark naturally being alot quicker and easier than light, with neither being more powerful. But this would make it too easy for dark - well yes and no. Mastery of the dark side should be easier to achieve but who you going to share it with - noone all your fellow darksiders will be grappling to pull the rug from under your feet. The slower lightside will provide assistence and community to counterbalance the speed of the alternative path. How lot implement this- well KOTOR analysis of action - stroll around killing all and sundry then get dark XP, heal people then get light XP etc.
You'll probably flame this but I don't care I enjoyed becoming a jedi in KOTOR because of the way itinvolved me in the universe - I enjoyed roleplaying my descent to the darkside - and so did others. Therefore I don't think it is too bad a system to look at adapting.
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RebellionCommando
Tue Mar 02, 2004 8:57 pm
#718
AdenRise wrote:
i dont think u should even be considering this whole path thing, its absolutely atrocious that someone will have the opportunity to screw over a very easy mission system.....i dont care how hard u say its gonna be, it will be exploited, destroyed and made public for everyone to see. you are giving every single person a chance to become something that is supposed to be "rare" as u stated at game release....but now ur gonna have every single person on the server grinding missions and doing the same thing in order to get jedi.....dont give me that you dont play for jedi, if u heard all u had to do was missions to get jedi, no matter how hard, that u wouldnt do them, thats bull and u know it.....missions are doable, its all about the money spent, and hey look uve got jedi now, i cant wait to see 3000 jedi running around coronet flashing their sabers because soe wanted to throw more money into the pot....this is a game, the mastering professions idea was perfectly fine because you had no idea what the hell u had to do to get jedi, and thats the life of a jedi, hard to impossible and not easily defined, yes it sounds stupid that u should have to master certain things to get jedi, but thats the price u pay in the game world......this is an effective way of keeping jedi rare in all occasions as u stated and i dont think u should even consider ruining it.......i can guarantee if there are hundreds of jedi running around cuz they had a million creds to spend, ur game is going down the tubes.
And also a game cannot say ok you, you and you can be jedi the rest of ya...you lose! CYA....that would be the true sucide of the game....
RebellionCommando
Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:18 am
#719
"I enjoyed becoming a jedi in KOTOR because of the way itinvolved me in the universe - I enjoyed roleplaying my descent to the darkside - and so did others. Therefore I don't think it is too bad a system to look at adapting."
I abosultly agree with you!!!
almanish
Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:31 am
#720
Again, cannot read all the post, so... (although I have read a good lot)
This, I am not sure if it is in topic, but, well, maybe can be interesting anyway.
What about using a different method for the way force powers and skills? I mean, instead using padawan, knight, master, you can handle it like 3 or 4 or -whatevernumber- professions.
For example, one profession Light Side powers (healing, helping, protecting, meditating, etc) one Force powers, general (kinectic, enhancing...) One Dark Side powers (Lighting, life drainingm you choose ) Lightsaber Combat (one-hand, two hand, special techs, double) and maybe including a social branch one (diplomacy, lighsaber crafting and scouting, or surviving some kind of jedis had).
The title adquired in the force progression can be measured as some kind of mixing or attaing certain skills in certain branchs.
With a limited number of skill points you would have the differents kinds of jedi people want, they could specialize in what they want from start, jedi would be more rich and diverse, and it is no so different from the rest of professions system, so it is not so difficult to put in game (apart from bugs
)
I know there are some problems with conversion to all the actual jedi, but you could give them the equivalent skill points they have attaind till now and let them convert theirselves their character.
This, of course, with all the good ideas proposed in this thread. This is only a bit of all that can be done to (from my point of view, odf course) improve this wonderful game
(although I have read a good lot)This, I am not sure if it is in topic, but, well, maybe can be interesting anyway.
What about using a different method for the way force powers and skills? I mean, instead using padawan, knight, master, you can handle it like 3 or 4 or -whatevernumber- professions.
For example, one profession Light Side powers (healing, helping, protecting, meditating, etc) one Force powers, general (kinectic, enhancing...) One Dark Side powers (Lighting, life drainingm you choose
) Lightsaber Combat (one-hand, two hand, special techs, double) and maybe including a social branch one (diplomacy, lighsaber crafting and scouting, or surviving some kind of jedis had).The title adquired in the force progression can be measured as some kind of mixing or attaing certain skills in certain branchs.
With a limited number of skill points you would have the differents kinds of jedi people want, they could specialize in what they want from start, jedi would be more rich and diverse, and it is no so different from the rest of professions system, so it is not so difficult to put in game (apart from bugs
)I know there are some problems with conversion to all the actual jedi, but you could give them the equivalent skill points they have attaind till now and let them convert theirselves their character.
This, of course, with all the good ideas proposed in this thread. This is only a bit of all that can be done to (from my point of view, odf course) improve this wonderful game
Timjuan
Wed Mar 03, 2004 1:17 am
#721
I think one of the strong points of the game is that the players are more or less forced to try different professions (if they persue jedi-hood). If becoming a jedi is achieved by doing quests and not mastering professions I think people will choose 2 suitable professions, master them and never change professions anymore.
I can imagine a quest based system for jedi would work if the quests are profession based. That way players will still have to learn certain profession to be able to solve the quests.
GrozelEE
Wed Mar 03, 2004 2:22 am
#722
My idea is I love the idea of quest to open your jedi slot. The only thing I say is I dont care how long it takes as long as its reasonable, but make it so the quest can be completed by yourself and not having to have a group. Also make it so that there is no more grinding, heard rumors about having to switch professions to complete part of your quest. Of course you know how rumors are. You should also give some type of reward throughout the quest. All that traveling could get expensive.
sHiEr
Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:05 am
#723
Hello
a lot of good ideas i only have two things that concern me
1 No proffession changing to unlock not good for server and why do you wnat people to do what they not like.
2 Why do alot of people keep saying they dont want to seealot of jedi on servers so make it really hard to unlock. Hows this why dont u make unlocking kinda hard but make the hard part playing your jedi make it hardcore. Make it cost alot of money and require game skill to get high lvl.
Ok what iam tyring to say dont keep jedi pop down by only a lucky few being able to try and play jedi but keep the pop down by making jedi darn hard to play, not just like another toon u get to play like your main but a real real hard toon to play that should keep the amount of high lvl jedi on servers down. So basicly you can get that jedi by questing but can u play it. Iam just saying keep jedi population down by making jedi hard not carebear. Let all quest to have chance to play a jedi but can they play the jedi?
Stomis
Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:14 am
#724
Everything seems well with the new method I like the idea of getting different ranks (padawan, darkjedi, ect) by completing different quests with previous skills (ie: u get novice jedi by mastering padawan and using those skills int he quest) I really think you guys need to add dark force sensitive. I have a character on SunRunner thats very "nature samurai like" he's a heavey swordsmen and I wouldn't mind keeping swordsman and just having force powers like the adpets on dantooine. Not having a ligthsaber wouldn't kill me I love my two handed curved sword...ALOT. And would love to be able to use basic force commands when I'm using my sword. If you incorporated 2 quests that where hard but not greatly hard something someone with half of an elite combat profession could do, and have each one unlock darkside and lightside but no jedi or dark jedi or padwan class so in essence your not really a jedi. Almost like have a profession like Dark Force Weilder or Force Weilder. Play it from there. BUT THERE DEFINATLY NEEDS TO BE FORCE PROFESSION W/O THE JEDI/DARK JEDI PARTS INVOLVED!!!
Stomis
Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:23 am
#725
I frogot to add that if you do not unlock jedi ie my idea for just adding a force sensitive and make it apply to the char t5hat unlocked it not a new one
Gaadrielle
Wed Mar 03, 2004 6:58 am
#726
I cant agree with you on this one..... where is roleplay in your way of doing.... what is the meaning to become master swordsman if you want to play a pacific crafter !!! You really should have the choice of your profession. But, quests should need a lot of skills required, meaning you must seek for help with other players.... Hire mercenaries in my exemple.
Respa
Wed Mar 03, 2004 7:28 am
#727
My request/suggestionis a simple one; please make the blade color selectable upon creation, not dependant on the crystal/pearl you use. A jedi's lightsaber is a Jedi's life and is as important a tool of force and offense as it is a tool of defense. A saber, being an "elegant weapon of a more civilized time" is not only meant to deal out death and destruction but is a tool that should inspire phsycological awe and intimidation. As such, the color plays an important part in this role. No master jedi master wants to run around with a pink or brown saber, unless you're Mace Windu, of course.
Rancor_Durni
Wed Mar 03, 2004 9:15 am
#728
I believe this game is going to die of this system becomes too easy. I think the MAX amount of people playing Jedi characters should be 1000, it should be that difficult to become one, this game WILL die if Jedi becomes a relatively common thing, people are trying to role play star wars, thousands of Jedi (mainly the newbs on this forum) would absolutely turn this game into a pile of Bantha Poodoo.