Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Publish 10 Feedback: Jedi Revamp Part 2, The Jedi Trials
LuTse
Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:47 pm
#677
Just to clear things up, although this is my first post i am not a complete noob, simply got into the game and enjoyed it and did not feel the need to post before. And also english is not my first language so any bad grammar remarks will be out of place. one last thing if anyone posted a message on the same subject then sorry but reading hundreds of posts right now would take too much time.
The biggest problem i see with the new system is the 3 week phase change . It's not just my wish to go jedi ASAP, i really think this is a problem. I've seen many people post here or talk in chat about noobs getting a visit. Seen a few myslef. With 3 weeks time between phase change even the most green player will grind the xp needed for the skills and if not in another 3 weeks he won't really be a noob anymore. This way in 3 months we will be flooded with tons of jedi all at once. I can understand jedi population control but this is ridiciulous it's postponing things for a while. Even if the old man will appear less often from now on we will still get a jedi birth boom. I suggest decreasing the time between phases. This way the more experienced players (or hardcore grinders if you prefer 
) will become jedi sooner and the noobs will catch up much later. This way the new jedi will come spread in time and i think this will be a lot better. Besides hundreds of jedi all at once will just be cannon fodder for BHs and everyone will want to join in on the 'fun'. Again the SPs will be battlefields servers will lag noone will be able to enjoy the game - everyone loses. (might be wrong but the hundreds of jedi at once will definitely ruin the game)
) will become jedi sooner and the noobs will catch up much later. This way the new jedi will come spread in time and i think this will be a lot better. Besides hundreds of jedi all at once will just be cannon fodder for BHs and everyone will want to join in on the 'fun'. Again the SPs will be battlefields servers will lag noone will be able to enjoy the game - everyone loses. (might be wrong but the hundreds of jedi at once will definitely ruin the game)Lu-Tze the Sweeper and Master of Deja-Fu
(has anyone seen my broom?)
BinaryModulation
Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:00 pm
#678
On the doctor's forum, there is a request to remove the medical xp cap, but I think it bears reiterating here.
As a paying customer, I put off hologrinding to become a jedi under the new system. Now I'm finding that to be all but impossible as a doctor.
For one branch of enhanced senses, 1.225 million xp is required, assuming the normal 175k-250k-350k-450k progression. Since I can't even convert the initial 50k of FS xp, I can't tell for sure, but this is what I've heard.
1.225 million FS Heightened-sense xp is 12.25 million medical xp. Since I'm a Master Doc/(working toward)Master Fencer (was Rifleman), the only xp I can use is medical xp.
12.25 million medical xp would just be bad, until you consider that that medical xp is capped to 80k at a time at the Master Doctor level. That means it will take 154 trips to and from the village, with a full load of xp, to convert all of it.
154 Trips!!
Compare to a combat profession. I had 900k of Rifle xp, so I'll assume that as the cap. 1.225 million times 30 (1-30 conversion ration on weapons xp) is 36.75 million xp. However, at 900k a trip, this is only 41 trips. Still alot, but note:
- It is less than 27% of the number of trips it requires a doctor.
- Combat xp can be gathered on dathomir, and doesn't require a trip to a populated area.
- Combat xp requires only credits for weapons/armor, doctor xp requires money for stims/buffs (though the doc should be making money for buffs)
Assuming 8k of xp per person buffed, 1532 people have to be buffed. At 28 buffs/pack, that's 55 complete sets of buffpacks.
Essentially, it becomes that no sane doctor with even the smallest semblance of a life could become a jedi unless they were to alter there character so that they never had to use med xp.
Solution?
Raise the cap (significantly) on med xp, and improve the conversion ration so the overall effort level is in line with the other professions.
I hope something gets done about this, as it is an extreme disappointment. I don't mean for this to be a fix it or I'll cancel post, but when playing a game becomes frustrating, no one wants to play it, much less pay for the privilege. My hope, though, is to see a fix.
Thank you,
BinaryModulation (Sodav Hodco, Valcyn)
Sandman24
Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:38 pm
#679
by the time u did all the math figuring out how many times ud have to go to the village, u couldve made about 15 trips in the game
Billy' Madison Scylla
Ofod
Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:47 pm
#680
I seem to find this a bit humorous....the SAME people that were crying about not getting the old man are now switching DEV bashing tactics. They have now gotten their visit but are outraged that it has been 3+hours and they still have not seen their sith welcoming committee. Oh my people .....heaven forbid EVERYTHING isn't catered to your wants.
phantom542
Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:48 pm
#681
day 4 visit
7 profs
no hologrinding
almost all the badges
went loot hunting after visit
7 profs
no hologrinding
almost all the badges
went loot hunting after visit
darthrotten
Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:55 pm
#682
I'll point out right now that the Sith are bugged. I got a friendly visit from them at long last (PRECISLEY when I decided to stop looking and hunt on Dant ¬_¬) but got a broken disc. They came a second time and I got a second broken disc. Then I realized that selecting the "Loot All" option or using a loot macro seems to bork the discs, lo and behold the 3rd time I looted manually on someone else's advice and the disc worked.
Just pointing out something you might want to consider fixing, DEVs.
Anyway, I don't understand this Force progression thing. How many skills must I unlock to be a Jedi initiate (yes, I want my character to play around with a lightsaber, sue me. I know it will take a long time, but I want to know what my goals are).
Edit: Brain fart, I know how many skills, I mean do you have to master combat prowess or whatever, too?
As an aside, since I am now Force sensitive and ON THE PATH (as opposed to waiting for dirty old men and silly Sith goons) I'm now happy. But then I have to return to work tomorrow. Life hates me. I can tell.
Message Edited by darthrotten on 09-02-2004 08:00 PM
EvilSockPuppet
Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:57 pm
#683
Ok, I'm apost pub 9 unlocker, and this is what has happened for me. Hope it will help.
I logged on a day after pub 10, heard about the old man, went outside MO, and sat with buffs while playing guitar in real life.
Old man came, blah blah blah, gave me a blank crystal
Logged off, came back tomorrow, did the same thing that I did with the old man (buffs, sat, played guitar)
Sith came, sluaghtered them, crystal showed quests, went to the village.
Talked to the leader dude, and started doing a quest.
Later I talked to Paemos (not sure if thats his name, and he's by the leader of the village)
Found out that I didn't need to do the quests, sinceI unlocked.
Talked to him about converting Xp to Jedi Xp, I asked for combat reflexes, and he gave me 1,250,000 Jedi xp.
Continued talking, and he gave me 1,250,000 Xp 5 more times.
Walked over to a guy near the edge of the village (sorry I don't have a name or an exact location) got training, and 24 FS boxes.
And now I am currently waiting for the old man again, or someone.
I have no idea what to do now, soI will probably do what I did in the beginning. (I'm getting good at guitar)
(Anyone have any idea what to do? and I hope this helps people who had questions of what to do)
Pirrg-Freemoon
Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:17 pm
#684
darthrotten wrote:
Oh great, this is twice now I've seen someone else attacked by Siths. I've beenwaiting ALL day. IT'S NOT FAIR!!
Youre right, it isnt fair. It isnt fair to the rest of us that someone like you plays this game.
xCxStylex
Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:18 pm
#685
I received my 6 branch unlocks and used them. I proceeded to take a mission to talk to "imprisoned villagers," but my villager spawned in a tree :/
A CSR said that it would be fixed on server reset and that I could take the mission again, which currently I can not.
RizzyGirl
Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:28 pm
#686
First of all:
1. All worked well with the Old Man and the siths. Just playing game and do some killing here and there and travel sorted it well.
2. Got to village and did my patrols..
3. Unlocked the Combat Tree.. And bam.. Sweet lord of Grinding Months. (Never in my life wished so much i did hologrind)
4. Imo.. I need 6 branches, 1 branch = 175k, 250k, 350k, 450k, Fs xp.
Maths Below 
1 Branch = 1'225'000 FS xp
6 Branches = 7'350'000 FS xp (22'050'000 Combat xp, 220'500'000 Wepons xp)
(1 FS xp = 30 Weapons Xp)
(1 FS xp = 3 CombatXp)
Now, we have ppl disregarded the holo grind system (like myself) and hoped for a better alternative.
We waited many like me now a year. Happy abt this and excited.. all flow great and then comes the xp need.
The so called "quest way" id say is a very poorly made wrapping for just a extended grind.
FFS, why not time cap it with a long active time. I mean, Now u say "I play cuz i want to be jedi"..
But this game aint all about beeing Jedi, and i cant certainly think its healthy for game that just any wilson can start swg
get some badges and then in some time get on the path.
Why.. I dont think new ppl will jump on crafting when way to jedi is opened up. Nor dancers or Docs.. its aGAMEKILL
Timecap it LONG, 6 months minimum and dont whine abt it, its needed to get a base population.
Make quest less demanding and more actual JEDI like grind, give the darn Robe, Training Saber...
And let ppl train AS Initiate. I start work and be away 12 hours a day so i decided to put this grind aside and focus on my ws..
and by the looks of this new Jedi Grind game.. it wil be needed cuz i hardly think the new ppl from this date will be arsed beeing
crafters when they can go for the force. BUT, my prices will 10-fold. if competition drops.
Just a few thoughts, this is absurd forthose not able to play much.
And to al u hologrinders.. **edit** have u pulled off that noone else could. If i knew this was coming, i wouldhave grinded w/o doubt, but that was just not my idea of becoming jedi. This hoaks devs pulled aint Nothing abt becoming jedi either. What i saw in movies it was alot abt knowlage.. Patience (current way bigtime) and knowing yourself in and out.
And this new system is what many praise, i think it is just rotten. Sure many wont do it.. Definately many of the 1 year and older players wont be arsed do the grinding this result in. We just sick and tired of constant shooting, bashing, crafting.
COME UP WITH SOMETHING INTERESTING
A VERY dissapointed Player who hoped for becoming Jedi was more of the path i visioned.
Ratken
Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:33 pm
#687
Thunderheart wrote:
Feedback Request:
- If you finished 32 professions before publish 10, how many days went by before the old man visited you?
- What happened when the old man visited you?
- What did you do once the old man visited you?
1) didnt finish 32 proffessions cause i unlocked on 28 or 29 
2) patch day: wasnt even expecting the old man so logged in game for the first time after 2-3 weeks and started chatting with my guildies/friends
3) 2nd day: logged in game and did a couple of missions, got bored of the usual janta/mokk so decided to just chat my time away. Ordered a pizza (irl) and as soon as the delivery guy rung the door bell the old man visited (talk about luck... pizza and an old man), approx 36 hours after my initial login with pub 10. logged out soon after that.
4) 3rd day: wasnt feeling like missions so i went fishing 
less than 10 mins after i got online and while i was reeling in the first catch of the day i get attacked by the sith, kill them, proceed to their camp, kill everyone in sight within 2 secs and omw to dathomire/village i go.
5) unlock/train 6 full FS trees (or whatever you wanna call them) and.... well.... i have no idea what to do next. I talked to all the NPCs (i think) in the village and noone said anything about padawan trials or anything to that effect. they keep trying to give me their quests. Server came offline for daily maintenance before i remembered to check FS quest journal for any info.
Overall a very straight forward experience (shame about the fish that got away cause of the sith). It could be have been more obvious about the possible loss of FS exp with the auto-unlock and what to do next for the padawan trials. I mean I would expect that information to be available ingame from some NPC or something and not having to look for it on dozens of different forums divided in so many threads between the cheese and whine.
will keep posted how the padawan trials went (i intend to try that quest solo at least once) 
Slaphead316
Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:44 pm
#688
I had checked my status, got the surge in the force with all 45 poi badges 6 profession badges, no holo done Rebel themepark so i went on to get the 2 warren badges Nyms and Jabba badges
now i have the inner glow that was about 2 days ago so the old man should come soon
How will we know if we unlocked? do we find out when we go to the village?
Galith
Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:49 pm
#689
Ok i am having the issue where in my Quest jourrnal (crystal) the old mans visit is not showing i just wanted to post this on the board so it woud be here for the devs to read *cough* yeah right !*couigh* anyways i have had nothing but BS insulting replies to my tickets today on this and other issues and generics as well that give me no answer all i want is a answer and or a fix note this is VERY EDITED! if i had kept it the way i originally worte it i would be banned from the boards right now my patience is low ..... just fix the problems guys PLEASE!!!!!!!!! i would like to progress in my jedi trials in the next few days as tomoorw or the nex day i exspect to be visited by the sith if my quest journal is fixed......... but god know this bug will most likely prevent them form coming knowing the way things go with you guys at SOE JUST FIX IT DAMN!!!!!!