Development Cycle Archive
Thread: IT 6-6: Imperial Crackdown: Some changes made based on In-Test Feedback
Hlicalanthe wrote:
Indeed, I argue that it will hurt PvEers MUCH more than it will affect PvPers, as PvPers should be going around overt to begin with. As many have said, the Devs have promised that GCW!=PvP, but with this change, the Devs are changing that rule. Doing so will have a negative affect on the GCW (not to mention the game), and the Devs will ultimately have to remove this forced PvP (assuming it even goes live in the first place, which I believe is getting more and more less likely to happen thanks to rebels successfully arguing against it, and Imperial players like yourself showing that this will be used to grief PvEers) but at the expense of much hurt feelings and likely lost players.
first off as my signature says i'm not imperial, i'm neutral wow none of you can see that can you, hurt PvE, well it could if they chose they want to abide by the laws, but like i said before if this was the way the game was initially designed then none of this would be going on we would all realize that sliced armor would be so good, but you would always run the risk of being caught when using it, we've grown accustomed to something we should have never been acustomed to in the first place, this will only hurt those elite soloists, that try to solo huge things like nightsisters and what nots, and that in the first place should not happen, remember the astromectric stats, things that are solo'ed that shouldnt, this isnt going to hurt the groups of players that take a nice happy docotor or medic with them, this will hurt the soloist that thinks hes god, and frankly thats good in my opinion... i think we've had enough of the TKMs anyway...
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JierHolln wrote:
When? In Beta? I've been playing since shortly after launch and have NEVER had a TEF last an hour.
Then you haven't been playing since "shortly after launch". I started in late July and I remember having to sit in a friend's house for an hour unitl my TEF went away from my very first encounter with a scanner.
If I commit no crime (and sorry, joining the Rebellion can't be considered a crime because NO ONE HAS KNOWLEDGE THAT I'VE DONE SO) then I can't have warrants and therefore a background check would reveal diddly squat.
God, you're funny. "Joining the Rebellion can't be considered a crime". Riiight.
You think the dozens of missions you had to do before joining didn't involve some sort of criminal activity? Let's see - treason, sabotage, espionage... and much of it committed right out in the open. If I watch Joe Blow deliver a disk to a Rebel in Anchorhead, what makes you think that the Imperials aren't watching too?
And I can imagine that in a setting where people can travel from star to star in hours or days, forensics is a lot more advanced than it is now.
If you plan on being Overt more, then why would you care if Imperials suffer the same penalty? In that case YOU wouldn't be penalized.
Because, unlike you, it isnt always about me. I'm all for it because it's reasonable. you'd do well to start basing your position on it too.
The ONLY people screwed by this change are Covert Rebels.
That's why it's called the Imperial Crackdown. Or do you only want to be a Rebel when they've got the upper hand?
Oh and at least you're being honest about why you like the change. You'll be one of the griefers waiting for outed Rebels. Shocker. And again you argue from the point of an Imperial but I'm supposed to take you seriously when you bring up your Rebel alt? Please. You aren't objective in the slightest.
As opposed to you, who clearly has just one viewpoint on it?
You only play a Rebel and you've apparently never played on TC. So your viewpoint is uneducated and uninformed.
As for me "griefing"? If I were a griefer I'd have a lot more faction points and it wouldn't be an issue to me at all. But if you mean "do I plan to let an Overt Rebel walk around with impunity"? The answer is NO. This is a role-playing game and when I'm playing an Imperial my job is to fight the Rebellion. Are you really trying to say that unless I invite them to tea I'd be a griefer?
No, I'll leave it to the Rebels to be the ones who skulk about and only run to a recruiter to go Overt when it's convenient. When I'm "on duty" I am Overt. I only actually plan to go Covert when I'm doing something unrelated to my duty as an Imperial soldier.
As for my Rebel alt, he'll be affected by this as much as you, moreso because he's a smuggler. Unlike you, I've participated in testing these changes. If it's really such an important matter to you, why don't you get off the forum and go get on Test Center where you can do something productive about it.
Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri) 
Hlicalanthe wrote:
First off, feel free to use periods in your next post; they're free, you know, and help greatly in comprehension when compared to run-on sentences.
Second, what difference does it make whether you're neutral or not? It certainly doesn't make your argument any more valid.
Yeah, none of this would be going on now, because the GCW would have been stillborn, and we would have had the argument then. Too few people would have enlisted in the rebellion, because they'd be forced into PvP for using items that imperials could use. And the devs would have quickly reversed that mistake.
So, yeah, we wouldn't be having this argument now. We would have had it then. Good point.
ok when did this forum become english class, i'm of sick of all these technicalities
and what difference does it make that i'm neutral, it makes a whole lot of difference because i dont have a certain sway or biased in this debate, i am speaking from a impartial position, i even used to be a rebel, and it makes the argument twice as valid because i have no afiliations. You on the other hand are just a rebel, speaking from one perspective on how to skew everything in your direction.
if this was how the game began i assure you the GCW would have been born just fine screaming and kicking and all, because u know why, people would have been introduced right into the movies the way the movies were, not this crap about being balanced. people would have expected it, but thats not what they got, they got two factions on near equal ground, this is not what people expected. and now that our pacifiers are being removed from our mouths we're not having any of it, u are only trying to change things so u can get by without having to do a **edit** thing, you wanna keep all your nice shiny armor and go solo things by yourself, and that my friend is not right
and if again this is how the game started people would have joined the rebellion for the right reasons. the only reason the amount of rebs vs imps is so different is because the life of a rebel has not been hard at all, peope saw this, realized that it can only get better (because they win the war), and chose the easiest side, which is aparently what you did, only the strongest players should be in the rebellion, the imperials are the ones who should get all the rabble
and for the love of god, the fact that you can even say my argument isnt valid, is proposterous, my argument is 100% valid because it deals in only facts, no skew, no perspective. there is no forced PvP, you chose to have slices and spices and thats where you choose PvP there is no force, so stop crying about it, you just want to have the easiest time against those NPCs you fight, god forbid you actually have a difficult time fighting something in this game...
It's pretty obvious, now, from reading the threads, that the Imperial Crackdown mechanics are what the griefers are looking for.
They identify a scan point; they hang around to find a rebel forced overt, and they grief.
It's that simple.
Devs: Unless you can figure out a way to prevent this from turnning into a grieffest, and soon, you'll kill the GCW, as those who are already disgusted with the online psychopaths and avoid the GCW for that reason will just cancel their accounts and leave, as you're effectively forcing PvP on those who want to be covert but dont' want to be involved in the Quake PvP zergfest.
JawaJoey2 wrote:I read the first post of this thread and thought, "Wow, The Devs did it! They fixed their mistake and made it right!" Then WHAM! Everyones complaining already. Basically there are two types of complainers: Rebels and Smugglers.Smugglers: What are you complaining about? You're smuggling! You get smuggling bonuses in smuggling. And you're in an uproar because high ranking officials in the Imperial Army aren't being sued for every spec of spice in their inventory. Smuggling hasn't been "stolen" from you. It has been givin to you, and it has been made unecessary for Imperials, JUST AS IT SHOULD BE. You seem to forget that nuetrals and Rebels still will need Smugglers to pass scans.Rebels will be totally screwed if they don't smuggle or take precautions (Oh no, that makes sense, what will we nerf now?). Imperials don't have to worry about being harrased by their own comrades. (Gasp, not that logic thing again).Rebels: You're terrorists in a civil war against the Galactic Governement. You are now being penalized for your actions, but you're outraged that Imperials aren't punishing themslelves too. Can you imagine whatthe worldwould be like if every person who shot someone else would shoo themselves, or whenever a cop arrested a criminal, the cop would go to jail also? Even if you think they should be punished for carrying the items, by no logic is the Empire going to actively search their own people and punish them. When people are hypocrites, they don't go admitting it and balancing it out.The first Imperial Crackdown was poorly designed, so Imperials were upset, now that it is right, Rebels are upset and scared (ironically, that's how it should be).People, please PLEASE open your eyes and realize that this is a great fix.
I find this funny. When the first Crackdown proposal was published, the Imperials went nuts complaining and bitching about it. I looked at the thread, and don't remember seeing any Rebels calling the Imperials whiners and crybabies.
But now that the Rebels are unhappy about the Crackdown, every third post is an Imperial calling the Rebels whiners and crybabies.
Continuing...
A lot of Imperials calling Rebels whiners and crybabies, even though they put so much effort into complaining about the initial proposal. Not just that, but providing all sorts of justifications as to why this change is good. It all seems rather hypocritical to me, considering you did the same thing to get the Imperial penalties removed.
PhoenixOrion wrote:
Notice the outcry is mostly from Rebels.
Welcome to Star Wars kiddies, where the Rebellion was a terrorist group uprising against the current government. You don't think a government is going to sit back and let you run around freely?
Welcome to a *video-game* moron, where the objective is to havebalanced gameplay, which is not happening with imperials being better at smuggling than master smugglers.
And, no,Imperials can't slice, or make spice (which smugglers shouldn't be doing anyway, they move the stuff, not make it), however, they can *smuggle* contraband more effectively than the smugglers.At the very least, 25% of the smuggler profession is being awarded to imperials, with no cost, which is unacceptable.
And don't tell me imps would be allowed to break the law, as many people have, it makes no sense. A cop is not allowed to break the law, and neither are officiers in the military. You think the military police would have a problem with busting an officier forhavingcocaine in his back-pocket? Hell no! In the same way, a stormtrooper wouldn't mind busting an officier, they might even berewarded for bringing in brass. Maybe a colonel would get away with it, I'll give you that, but any overt? So a Private who's onlydoing what he's supposed to be doing, fighting rebels, will get away with breaking the law? Give me a break...
I have a question, how do you define a rebel? Someone who's fed up with Empire's laws, so he doesn't follow them anymore? Well, gee, under that definition, anyone using spice, or sliced weapons is rebelling against the laws that say you can't have those things... You think the Emporer's gonna allow people in his army to have a flagrant disregard for his laws? I don't think so...
Seriously to all who have a problem with even the NEW fixes - go play another game. SWG wasn't meant for you. You'll make the lot of us who ENJOY the game and are Star Wars fanatics alot happier if you do leave.
That's right, if you ever don't like something, get the f*ck out... God forbid people try to change things they don't like... I mean, that's so democratic and all, we can't have that...
Are you comparing America to the Empire?
SmugglerZim wrote:
And don't tell me imps would be allowed to break the law, as many people have, it makes no sense. A cop is not allowed to break the law, and neither are officiers in the military. You think the military police would have a problem with busting an officier forhavingcocaine in his back-pocket? Hell no! In the same way, a stormtrooper wouldn't mind busting an officier, they might even berewarded for bringing in brass. Maybe a colonel would get away with it, I'll give you that, but any overt? So a Private who's onlydoing what he's supposed to be doing, fighting rebels, will get away with breaking the law? Give me a break...