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Thread: Force Ranking System Feedback...
RedDragon133
Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:49 pm
#53
one more:
- after gaining the enclave entrance my force regeneration was fast and pleasent. somewhen I lost connection and no its 5/sec or even lower.
. buddy reported that using meditate and getting on a bike will keep the faster regenerate ammount up. sort of freezez it as long as he stays on a bike. since I do not have meditate, I couldnt test it at all. getting onto bike did nothing
yours
- after gaining the enclave entrance my force regeneration was fast and pleasent. somewhen I lost connection and no its 5/sec or even lower.
. buddy reported that using meditate and getting on a bike will keep the faster regenerate ammount up. sort of freezez it as long as he stays on a bike. since I do not have meditate, I couldnt test it at all. getting onto bike did nothing
yours
RedDragon133
Sat Jun 12, 2004 4:55 pm
#54
-Dark Jedi knight just allowed me to DB him. I got 100 points of XP. mind, pls, he allowed me to do this, say got knockdown, unequip saber, did nothing.
yours
yours
JavelinCatcher
Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:30 pm
#55
ArjunThakur wrote:
Any Jedi below Knight makes you actually lose 1 FR point. Promotion/demotion and the majority of the system is untestable as our sabers do not do enough damage to harm let alone kill another Jedi.
It is impossible to two Knights to kill each other, and barely possible even if one knight intentionally wants to die. I had someone "try" to let me kill them by staying knocked down, with no damage shield or saber equipped and I could barely do more damage than he regen'd from buffs.
Conversely I will reiterate the same holds true vs. a TK master wearing no armor.
NancyJ wrote:
Just a wee question as to the accelerated FRXP loss -
WHY?!
We're not gaining XP any faster (afaik) and there are no more playable hours in the day, so why lose it faster? All this seems to achieve is making it impossible to gain in rank.
The template I was given is Master Enhancer, Master Defender and 2h Lightsaber - I cant possibly gain in rank - I cant even kill bountyhunters if they're buffed
It's my personal opinion that what both of these posts have in common is the fault in the system. Buffs. The numbers are targeted at unbuffed players...not buffed players. As you can probably tell from my previous posts, I'm not a fan of everyone requiring Doc buffs in order to be able to fight. Buffs are what has made it possible for people not to care about the encumberance of their armor. Buffs have made people not want to group and it is the buffs that are making this situation more difficult to balance.
...I am soooo going to get flamed for saying that
Message Edited by JavelinCatcher on 06-12-2004 05:31 PM
SpawnLOD
Sat Jun 12, 2004 5:41 pm
#56
Gave up on the trails. I spent 6 hours hunting on endor to find those stupid Blurrg Raptors. Know how many i found? ZERO!, 0, zip, nada.
Im not gonna spend all weekend looking for these MOB's that are camped or so rare Ive only seen like once in 6 months on live!
Give a WP to a Creature or place with the Knight trails. Do somthing this is ridiculos.
Kitoth
Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:02 pm
#57
So far all the notes previously have been dead on, so I won't re-iterate much here.
A few issues:
- As a Master Healer/Master Enhancer/4004 Lightsaber Jedi, I can't imagine how I would have risen to my current enclave rank without having been granted it by a developer (as I was). I am currently a Rank 7 Consular, and I loose about 700 FRE every two hours or so. I suppose that seems a reasonable amount if you can kill other jedi for 1000 FRE. However, given this particular template, I can't kill anything, certainly not Master Saber/Master Defender Jedi. I have to run screaming from Nightsisters, after all. As great as being a healer is for groups, I gain only a smidgeon of experience from participating as a healer. I could not imagine dueling people on the basis that would have been required to reach my current position with this build. As it is, I expect to drop fairly soon out of my current rank through not PvPing enough and not being able to do so effectively when I do.
- While hunting in PvE and grouped with a fellow light side member of the enclave (who is one rank above me), I was slain by a Krayt dragon. For some reason, I lost points in my PvP rating (note, not the FRS) and she gained points as a result of me dying to the dragon. I received a message statng that she had killed me and she received the message that she had killed me. However, I don't recall seeing a loss in Force Rank Experience as a result, just a reduction in my PvP rating. Later however, I died while in the same 2-person group to a Nightsister, but there was no PvP rating adjustment message.
A few issues:
- As a Master Healer/Master Enhancer/4004 Lightsaber Jedi, I can't imagine how I would have risen to my current enclave rank without having been granted it by a developer (as I was). I am currently a Rank 7 Consular, and I loose about 700 FRE every two hours or so. I suppose that seems a reasonable amount if you can kill other jedi for 1000 FRE. However, given this particular template, I can't kill anything, certainly not Master Saber/Master Defender Jedi. I have to run screaming from Nightsisters, after all. As great as being a healer is for groups, I gain only a smidgeon of experience from participating as a healer. I could not imagine dueling people on the basis that would have been required to reach my current position with this build. As it is, I expect to drop fairly soon out of my current rank through not PvPing enough and not being able to do so effectively when I do.
- While hunting in PvE and grouped with a fellow light side member of the enclave (who is one rank above me), I was slain by a Krayt dragon. For some reason, I lost points in my PvP rating (note, not the FRS) and she gained points as a result of me dying to the dragon. I received a message statng that she had killed me and she received the message that she had killed me. However, I don't recall seeing a loss in Force Rank Experience as a result, just a reduction in my PvP rating. Later however, I died while in the same 2-person group to a Nightsister, but there was no PvP rating adjustment message.
Sifer2
Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:05 pm
#58
In my opinion the xp gain rate seems a bit on the low side. Its hard enough just to find other Knight Jedi to fight an maintain rank on a test server filled with them. On a Live server with few of them it might be too difficult to find enoughopponents to help you keep your rank. Of course im in a very high position in the Dark Enclave at the moment so that could be part of it.
Still I dont think a person should be required to kill much more than one Jedi or a few a Non-Jedi a day to maintian rank. To gain rank should tougher an require active playing but maintaining it needs to be easier so that people are not forced to live in the game 24/7.
Astharot
Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:11 pm
#59
can you give a track skill to jedi like ranger for find our tagert...i'm trying to find a giant canyon krayt dragon since 3 day... all i have is canyon krayt dragon and i will never be able to kill it alone...
Ghost151
Sat Jun 12, 2004 7:21 pm
#60
Can't give feedback on a system I can't test. First Knight Trial: Death Watch Overlord. Killed 2 and never got credit, not wasting anymore of my time on testing this revamp. Good luck SOE when this revamp goes live, you're gonna need it.
zenbabe
Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:28 pm
#61
"I dueled someone with 0/0/4/4 Defender (with no shields or armor up) for 10 minutes last night, constantly throwing Choke, Weaken2, lightningsingle2, throw2, mindblast2, and everything else I had at her, and couldn't even scratch her."
Ahh, but it wasn't so bad after my buffs vanished and you insta-dueled me, right? I threw on my armors, assumed a sacrificial position, and you were able to choke me to incap quite readily.../grin.
Anyway, some problems I've noticed during the time spent at the Dark Jedi Enclave, not specifically about Force Ranking for the most part.. but certainly related, if Jedi are supposed to be able to attain and hold on to their Rank:
* Out of all the many healing skills, only one is actually viable when buffed Jedi are being hurt badly (ie: by their own Sentinels), and that is the total heal, which costs 1K force pool points to use. As a Master Saber/ Master Healer, I have around 6500 force points available, so as you can see I can heal merely six times, throw a few Dervishes and I'm out of the game. During our battle with the Light Jedi, particularly when our own Sentinels started attacking us, I was quickly drained of force and mostly unable to help any further as a fighter or as a healer, since regeneration is quite slow. Speaking of which, my brothers and sisters who would have gladly given force to me were unable to, thanks to Transfer being completely broken.
I would like to see /healAll*2 ramp up to be more in line with a Stim D or E, instead of a mediocre Stim B. In battle I am not worried about people's wounds and BF so much as I am in keeping their pools full.. and I'd like to have enough force left to enjoy using my saber (and getting at least some ranking points for kills). A rez skill and a diagnose skill would be handy to have as well in this tree.
* Our own Sentinels at the Enclave should not be a red dot to us. We were under attack by our enemies at the doorstep to our Enclave, so of course we used our best attacks (areas), and what do these powerful and foolish Sentinels of *ours* do? Join in on the side of Light. Beautiful.
* A TKM with some defense stacking and a nice weapon readily and easily slaughtered two of us who were Oppressors (the rank right below Council), saber masters, giftbuffed and force armored.
* Thanks to the vastly accellerated FR experience loss, and two deaths, I lost 10K FR in one day of playing, while gaining perhaps 100 FR points due to one death of a BH and the 20 points I received for the eventual deaths of a couple of the Light Jedi. ... Not that I care, really, since we receive no benefit whatsoever from our current Rank, or our robes.
* Assuming the Light and Dark Jedi rumble last night had not included our own Sentinels attacking us, and assuming everyone one both sides were Master Saber/Master Defenders, we'd be fighting there until the end of time.. or until someone got unlucky and their buffs ran out.
=Chur Twilight=
Ahh, but it wasn't so bad after my buffs vanished and you insta-dueled me, right? I threw on my armors, assumed a sacrificial position, and you were able to choke me to incap quite readily.../grin.
Anyway, some problems I've noticed during the time spent at the Dark Jedi Enclave, not specifically about Force Ranking for the most part.. but certainly related, if Jedi are supposed to be able to attain and hold on to their Rank:
* Out of all the many healing skills, only one is actually viable when buffed Jedi are being hurt badly (ie: by their own Sentinels), and that is the total heal, which costs 1K force pool points to use. As a Master Saber/ Master Healer, I have around 6500 force points available, so as you can see I can heal merely six times, throw a few Dervishes and I'm out of the game. During our battle with the Light Jedi, particularly when our own Sentinels started attacking us, I was quickly drained of force and mostly unable to help any further as a fighter or as a healer, since regeneration is quite slow. Speaking of which, my brothers and sisters who would have gladly given force to me were unable to, thanks to Transfer being completely broken.
I would like to see /healAll*2 ramp up to be more in line with a Stim D or E, instead of a mediocre Stim B. In battle I am not worried about people's wounds and BF so much as I am in keeping their pools full.. and I'd like to have enough force left to enjoy using my saber (and getting at least some ranking points for kills). A rez skill and a diagnose skill would be handy to have as well in this tree.
* Our own Sentinels at the Enclave should not be a red dot to us. We were under attack by our enemies at the doorstep to our Enclave, so of course we used our best attacks (areas), and what do these powerful and foolish Sentinels of *ours* do? Join in on the side of Light. Beautiful.
* A TKM with some defense stacking and a nice weapon readily and easily slaughtered two of us who were Oppressors (the rank right below Council), saber masters, giftbuffed and force armored.
* Thanks to the vastly accellerated FR experience loss, and two deaths, I lost 10K FR in one day of playing, while gaining perhaps 100 FR points due to one death of a BH and the 20 points I received for the eventual deaths of a couple of the Light Jedi. ... Not that I care, really, since we receive no benefit whatsoever from our current Rank, or our robes.
* Assuming the Light and Dark Jedi rumble last night had not included our own Sentinels attacking us, and assuming everyone one both sides were Master Saber/Master Defenders, we'd be fighting there until the end of time.. or until someone got unlucky and their buffs ran out.
=Chur Twilight=
Taelo
Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:55 pm
#62
would be cool to test the FRS,...however we have dark jedi templar ninja's ganking all jedi. I think I will wait to see if you impress me on the 22nd. If not, I just cancel my account(s)
MasterNerfSlayer
Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:04 pm
#63
ArjunThakur wrote:
JustG wrote:
The Senior Designer who wrote the FRS needs your feedback. Here are some of his questions:
Losing of Force Rank experience –
difficult is it to gain FR experience. Are you able to make enough to qualify a new rank? Can you maintain the experience that you earn, or is it lost too quickly in pvp, etc.
demotion systems need a good workout. Are you getting the skills that you should get? Is the data on your character staying in sync with the enclave data (the rank you have as shown by your FR skill tree should equate to your position as displayed with /showCouncilRank).
voting/acceptance logic is working as intended. Try to do wacky things to break it.
Any Jedi below Knight makes you actually lose 1 FR point. Promotion/demotion and the majority of the system is untestable as our sabers do not do enough damage to harm let alone kill another Jedi.
It is impossible to two Knights to kill each other, and barely possible even if one knight intentionally wants to die. I had someone "try" to let me kill them by staying knocked down, with no damage shield or saber equipped and I could barely do more damage than he regen'd from buffs.
Conversely I will reiterate the same holds true vs. a TK master wearing no armor.
Don't forget I was also using Channel Force to help deplete my HAM...
MasterNerfSlayer
Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:08 pm
#64
I have to wonder if the Force Ranking Experience is even working. After being in a large group killing a mix of around 30-40 Dark Jedi Knights (half were higher ranking members)and Imperial Bounty Hunters, I got many messages saying I had gained experience for doing my part in helping kill them, yet not once did my FRE ever increase, even after logging out.
It is however decreasing when I die or when the obligatory Enclave Duty email comes along.
Southwick
Sat Jun 12, 2004 10:18 pm
#65
Id like to know how any of you are dying one on one to a bh? From what I have experienced as a bh is an almost complete innability to hit a jedi. Normally the battles consist of 95% of my shots being blocked and no statis effect taking place. Fully buffed I still take plenty of damage. I think the last battle I might have hit for a total of 140 damage..with 4 shots hitting. Not one status effect worked.
Maybe saber damage isnt the issue, maybe its the games innability to have balanced defense. Bh have just about 0 defense, but a tka or jedi will be impossible to hit therefore no matter how little damage they "claim" to do they will still always win, making the concept of bounty hunting pointless.
Why not give master bh a ranking system just like the jedi have where with x number of kills you gain chance to hit bonuses allowing a better chance for taking on higher level jedi. You could even make the bonus only work on jedi therefore not imbalancing normal pvp.
Maybe saber damage isnt the issue, maybe its the games innability to have balanced defense. Bh have just about 0 defense, but a tka or jedi will be impossible to hit therefore no matter how little damage they "claim" to do they will still always win, making the concept of bounty hunting pointless.
Why not give master bh a ranking system just like the jedi have where with x number of kills you gain chance to hit bonuses allowing a better chance for taking on higher level jedi. You could even make the bonus only work on jedi therefore not imbalancing normal pvp.