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Thread: Friday Feature May 28th, 2004 – Jedi Archives Volume III

KrYpToFoX
Fri May 28, 2004 5:55 pm
#53


This sickens me...


The amount of attention being given to Jedi is simply rediculious..yes, we need to revamp the way Jedi were being create (hologriding) but to set up this "enclave" and allow SO MANY to become Jedi is simply ludacris...


Here is my prediction: 1 year from now there will be ONLY Jedi...every other player will have quite either out of disgust from the sheer number of Jedi around, or because there are no longer any "normal" players to trade or group with...


With this huge amount of Jedi information I find it sad that not a single thing has been said on how they are planning to limit Jedi, which leads to a single, sad conclusion...they are not....


Jedi have recieved more then 10x the attention then any other proffesion in this game, and it seems there will soon be 10x as many Jedi players then normal ones because of this "revamp".


How in the WORLD can LucasArts and Lucas Licencing allow this agregious chasium in the continuity of what is supposed to be a "Star Wars" game?



I pray I am wrong on all of this but as it stands, It is truly, truly sad...




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mmaughme
Fri May 28, 2004 5:58 pm
#54


Thunderheart wrote:

Sorry, but no. What you would have to do is open up your second slot, choose the race you want and go through the quests again...



This is B.S., TH. I do not want my primary to be FS, nor do I want to be forced to run through the entire Jedi quest system to get the FS race I want, after already spending months grinding. It's idiotic. The entire Jedi system was poorly implemented in the first place, and you're only making it worse by making declarations like this.


Look at this threads discussing this. Your players are NOT happy about the decisions you're making here. First, you're telling us we can't become Jedi between Publish 9 and 10. Then you tell us we'll still unlock, but that we won't be notified of it, and that we'll have to continue grinding through Prof 32 to make sure. Now you're telling us if we want a specific FS race, we have to grind through the entire new f'ing system, after already grinding through the first f'ing system.


Is it any wonder your subscription rate has plummeted?




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BlackEdge
Fri May 28, 2004 5:59 pm
#55




KrYpToFoX wrote:



This sickens me...


The amount of attention being given to Jedi is simply rediculious..yes, we need to revamp the way Jedi were being create (hologriding) but to set up this "enclave" and allow SO MANY to become Jedi is simply ludacris...


Here is my prediction: 1 year from now there will be ONLY Jedi...every other player will have quite either out of disgust from the sheer number of Jedi around, or because there are no longer any "normal" players to trade or group with...


With this huge amount of Jedi information I find it sad that not a single thing has been said on how they are planning to limit Jedi, which leads to a single, sad conclusion...they are not....


Jedi have recieved more then 10x the attention then any other proffesion in this game, and it seems there will soon be 10x as many Jedi players then normal ones because of this "revamp".


How in the WORLD can LucasArts and Lucas Licencing allow this agregious chasium in the continuity of what is supposed to be a "Star Wars" game?



I pray I am wrong on all of this but as it stands, It is truly, truly sad...







Actually the way they plan on setting it up, there will be less, cause majority don't want their main to be jedi's (especially people who's grinding hard now to try and beat publish 9 thats 20+). I know this really upsets me and the fact they didn't have to go this right, yet they're going to do it anyways.


It's still in development, meaning anything can happen, but their persistant on making it where your main becomes the Jedi, rather then giving you an option to start it on the 2nd character (without starting from scratch) or forced to continue on as your main. Really mad about this...


People can UNLOCK between publish 9 and 10, but that doesn't mean it will be FS slot, and the developers have been going around that question trying to avoid it (probably because we know what the answer will be) so they can hold onto us as long as possible. They're probably more focused on the newer generations that's going to play (hence why they lowered the price on SWG and the free trial) rather then the older ones (that actually gave them a lot of ideas for SWG). Oh well.



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Professions mastered after unlock: 32 (Master BH)
darkhawk1138
Fri May 28, 2004 6:11 pm
#56

Jedi council? hundreds of jedi? i have one question to the devs? do u read the books or watch the movies? these places DON'T exist. BEING A JEDI WILL MAKE U HUNTED by the empire, so why do they get a club? are u just going to kill of darth vader and the emporer? they would never allow this to happen seeing as how they hunted and kill all the jedi save a few. that it, with this patch the moronic devs have lost their minds... this is no longer game based in the star wars universe it is now another game like ever quest that just happens to have star wars things in it. thanks for ruining a star wars Role playing game. One last question... since this is a role playing game set after eps 4 and before eps 5, how are normal people sposed to react to this massive influx of jedi and jedi sensitve people? heck most people havnt seena jedi in years since they were killed by darth vader and his minons. THANKS FOR MAKING THIS GAME NOT FIT IN STAR WARS!!!





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Plooko
Fri May 28, 2004 6:15 pm
#57

I would like to voice some concern/frustration on an issue. It seems all the wookiees will need to be working twice as hard to get a Jedi character that is not a wookiee after Pub 10 if they haven't allready unlocked their second character slot:


If I complete the Force Sensitive quests after publish 10 and open up my Jedi slot, will my main slot or my second slot be Force Sensitive?

After Publish 10, "Trials of the Jedi", a player's Main Slot will become Force Sensitive. At this point, a second character slot will open up. You may choose to develop your main character as a Jedi Knight or you may use your second character slot to develop as a Jedi Knight (thus being able to leave your main character in tact), but you will have to complete the quests from the beginning with the second character.




I have tried quite hard to unlock my second slot, don't think I will make it before publish 10, and when it comes out I will have to basicaly start all over again once I do unlock. I had originally chosen a wookiee thinking it will just be different to be a wookiee. But there is NO WAY I would ever choose my second slot to be a Wookiee.


It would really help if we could choose which character slot had the option of being force sensative. What about using the old code under the current system to generate a force sensative character slot, then immediately switch to the new code to convert that new character under the new system. I realize that this issue will be quite a chore but it seems that what I have been led to believe from day one has now been completely turned around on me to my dispare.


Please don't take this as a rant session, I only want to express the concern that I feel others in my predicament will have as well. Yeah, in the long run I'll just have to do the quests on my second character to get what I want which isa non-wookiee jedi character. This would be much easier under the old system though.


With Sincerest thanks to all the hard work SOE has done,


Brackanna of Radiant
StPhil
Fri May 28, 2004 6:16 pm
#58




BlackEdge wrote:




KrYpToFoX wrote:



This sickens me...







Actually the way they plan on setting it up, there will be less, cause majority don't want their main to be jedi's (especially people who's grinding hard now to try and beat publish 9 thats 20+). I know this really upsets me and the fact they didn't have to go this right, yet they're going to do it anyways.





I have yet to hear a satisfactory explination for this as well. Something other than "we would like to make more money from longer subscriptions by forcing all of our players who enjoy quests to do them twice". Why is the 2nd slot not FS again? Because they are encouraging us to destroy our primaries?


-Phal



-Phal (Froggie Power!)
omadnay
Fri May 28, 2004 6:28 pm
#59




Thunderheart wrote:






Sorry, but no. What you would have to do is open up your second slot, choose the race you want and go through the quests again...




TH and those that are making these decisions...


You do not understand how unacceptable this is.


When I see this comment from you, I realise that you do not understand how wrong we feel this stance, on this issue, is.


The core problem with the new susyem is, in fact, that they (not you) are taking away the reward that we have been working for.


Keep the second slot able to become a Jedi upon initial unlocking and I don't mind the Lock Down coming up.

Keep the second slot able to become a Jedi upon initial unlocking and I don't have a problem with taking part in the quests to finish my path to unlocking.

Keep the second slot able to become a Jedi upon initial unlocking and and prove to us that SOE does understand the passion with which some of us feel about this.

Keep the second slot able to become a Jedi upon initial unlocking and I will not be forced into cancelling my account. My personal beliefs are too strong to allow myself to continue paying money to a video game company that would do this to it's customers.


It is wrong to treat the people that pay to play this game in this way.

The mess that the holocrons created does not require a change in the way that thesecond slot works.

Do not change it. At the very least do not remove the player's option of creating a Jedi from scratch upon initial unlocking. Go ahead and create a way to allow players to evolvetheir main characters into force users or Jedi, but leave the goal that many have been working towards in tact and within a reasonable reach.


I understand how the new system works... you do not need to explain to me how one can still make their second slot charactereventually become aJedi.


You need to understand that this new method is completely unacceptable by the people that have an issue with the second slot character change.

If the people making these decisions already understand this... then they have decided that the types of players with this concern are not important to them or the game's future.


That is quite the slap in the face.

Thank you


- Omadda Szool

Kauri


- Omadnay

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omadnay
Fri May 28, 2004 6:30 pm
#60




Thunderheart wrote:






Sorry, but no. What you would have to do is open up your second slot, choose the race you want and go through the quests again...





TH and those that are making these decisions...


You do not understand how unacceptable this is.


When I see this comment from you, I realise that you do not understand how wrong we feel this stance, on this issue, is.


The core problem with the new susyem is, in fact, that they (not you) are taking away the reward that we have been working for.


Keep the second slot able to become a Jedi upon initial unlocking and I don't mind the Lock Down coming up.

Keep the second slot able to become a Jedi upon initial unlocking and I don't have a problem with taking part in the quests to finish my path to unlocking.

Keep the second slot able to become a Jedi upon initial unlocking and and prove to us that SOE does understand the passion with which some of us feel about this.

Keep the second slot able to become a Jedi upon initial unlocking and I will not be forced into cancelling my account. My personal beliefs are too strong to allow myself to continue paying money to a video game company that would do this to it's customers.


It is wrong to treat the people that pay to play this game in this way.

The mess that the holocrons created does not require a change in the way that thesecond slot works.

Do not change it. At the very least do not remove the player's option of creating a Jedi from scratch upon initial unlocking. Go ahead and create a way to allow players to evolvetheir main characters into force users or Jedi, but leave the goal that many have been working towards in tact and within a reasonable reach.


I understand how the new system works... you do not need to explain to me how one can still make their second slot charactereventually become aJedi.


You need to understand that this new method is completely unacceptable by the people that have an issue with the second slot character change.

If the people making these decisions already understand this... then they have decided that the types of players with this concern are not important to them or the game's future.


That is quite the slap in the face.

Thank you


- Omadda Szool

Kauri


- Omadnay

Test Center



Draknodred
Fri May 28, 2004 6:35 pm
#61
Like many other people... I am appauled at all the attention jedi's are giving... to what is supposed to be the minority of the whole galaxy is now having publishes dedicated to them, it's awful... I'd rather not have jedi's at all and have everything else be fixed first.... to think this is before the combat balance and SLand Smuggler fix... It's all a joke... Jedi are a minority now and should stay that way, but have less attention given to them by the Devs... Fix my SL first!!! =(


Boo on jedi!



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NoviL
Fri May 28, 2004 6:35 pm
#62




mmaughme wrote:



Thunderheart wrote:

Sorry, but no. What you would have to do is open up your second slot, choose the race you want and go through the quests again...




This is B.S., TH. I do not want my primary to be FS, nor do I want to be forced to run through the entire Jedi quest system to get the FS race I want, after already spending months grinding. It's idiotic. The entire Jedi system was poorly implemented in the first place, and you're only making it worse by making declarations like this.


Look at this threads discussing this. Your players are NOT happy about the decisions you're making here. First, you're telling us we can't become Jedi between Publish 9 and 10. Then you tell us we'll still unlock, but that we won't be notified of it, and that we'll have to continue grinding through Prof 32 to make sure. Now you're telling us if we want a specific FS race, we have to grind through the entire new f'ing system, after already grinding through the first f'ing system.


Is it any wonder your subscription rate has plummeted?




This guy is completely right.

We're paying the same money with the current jedis, right?. Why do we have to struggle twice as they did? I'm talking as a customer and Idon't like getting threated differently.

I don't want to grind all the 32 professions between Publish 9 and 10 to be sure that I've unlocked my slot. I don't want my current character tobecome a Jedi.I don't want a useless FSCS slot. I just want to be threaded as the former Jedis. And I think many people think the same way.

Regards.




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Dronayus
Fri May 28, 2004 6:36 pm
#63
Ok here is my question, for us people who don't spend 5+ months grinding for Jedi, where does that leave us? Will there be a clear indication on how the jedi quest begin? Me for instance, i choose to just play the game instead of do the quest because as we all know, when grinding professions and so forth, a good bit of players alienate themselves form other people in a marathon profession grind that they'll cut your throat over if itwas the way tomastering another profession. I didn't want to be this way, loging into the game just to grind professions away and seperate myself from the community of friends I had even though i so wanted to be a jedi (i mean come on, doesnt everyone?). So when i heard that there was a revamp on the horizion and that it will be 100% quest based, i jumped for joy. More time to play the game and get my comabt skills up to face whatever mobs or bosses these quest produce. Yeah i cracked open my x-mas holo open out of pure curiosity but i never mastered the profession i was given, didn't even do the profession that i needed to master just to even touch it (holo said Master Ranger and i say No Way!). So now i am wondering, when pub 10 hits, how do we non-holo grinders start the path to jedi? This was one of the questions never touched on in either of the three jedi volumes. Only thing that was told on the subject of the quest what that it will be longer than the holo- profession grind method. I'm ok with that, long as i dont have to dance in a cantina for 24hrs to master some odd profession. But where doe the trails begin? Like will there be a place we can go to start the quest to the path to becoming a jedi?




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Sylune_heart
Fri May 28, 2004 6:40 pm
#64

I really have to pipe in here.



The idea that as a veteran player who has supported this game from design thru beta, and now from launch till now. I am really angry about the whole main character thing being supported by SOE.



In essence what your telling your veteran fan base that never wanted to have their main be a Jedi..or FS for that matter. (Tough crap!)


Its a huge insult for those of us who didnt want to grind..or in the case of some of us unable to. I am a casual player, always have been. When the whole holocron craze hit sure at first i jumped on the bandwagon. I busted my hump trying to do what i had to do.


After awhile though it occured to me that the Jedi system itself would be changing. It was then i stopped (wrecking) my main character and started playing like I wanted to!


Now your telling me i have to grind again? That all the work i have done since the game started is lost? Don't tell me that "well its not lost because your main character will be FS so you didnt really lose anything"


I am sorry i have lost alot! I am a very social player, and the amount of time i have spent building a background and a history with my main character the whole FS idea just doesnt fit with her orginal story. Its so immersion breaking its not even funny.


Your punishing people who have been faithful to the ideas of this game since day one. This will not effect new players in any way shape or form.


What your really saying is that anyone new that starts playing post Pub 9 are the ones that get rewarded. While us veteran players get a slap in the face.


I am sorry but this has to be the worst idea ever! Give us the option of trading those skill points to our secondary slot. A one time basis. So what if it takes a bit more time to implement. At least your not slapping the veterans around. Alot of us had invisioned taking on a whole new persona once we were able to unlock our FSCS. Instead we are being forced to gimp our main character, which is one of the reasons i stopped doing the Holo grind in the first place! Tearing the guts out of the character i have been playing since launch really irritates alot of us veterans who are in this particular posistion.


Then on top of that your telling us that getting to Jedi/FS will take at least as long if not LONGER then the orginal FS system. So even if we do decided to take our second character thru the whole quest process that means that some of us will have been here playing the darn game for almost 2 and a half years before we can reach the goal we wanted to reach?


This is TOTALLY unacceptable. I understood that unlocking my FSCS was gonna be hard and long. I can agree with that. But what i dont agree with is punishing us veteran players with such a radical change that undermines why we started playing in the first place. Having to go thru a new system that will take longer then the holo grind is unacceptable!


We as a community deserve better then this!


We as veteran players deserve better treatment then this!


If you destroy the main veteran base of this game your doing the greatest disservice to this game then you could possibly imagine.



Ceta



Ghost151
Fri May 28, 2004 6:42 pm
#65

Simple question. If my jedi is currently 4,1,3,3 in the Initiate tree how many box's will I get to start with after the conversion? Is it an equal number of box's or is it based on the XP value's needed to acquire the existing box's.


Thank's.


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