Development Cycle Archive

Thread: New Team Comments

JulianSpeed
Tue Dec 23, 2003 8:26 am
#53

NSTeelleWolf sort of toucched on what I wanted to say. Im not so much concerned with stability issues because thats a given and there will always be bugs to work and it will eventually get worked out. For me the issue is content. Content is there and can be much bigger.I think part of the issue that the content is not reaching enough individuals. Everyone doesnt read the forums and know whats going on. There should be a way for people to know whats going on for some of the content while logged in ie ingame bulletin board-well that may be stretching but..


Another key point NSWolf mentioned was that he didnt feel developers listened to the community. Dungeons are coming. It may be too late for some as I got an email from a former guild member who is leaving because he claimed there was no content. I replied back to him suggesting that he stay. I told him I will be here for space expansion...etc..


I made some sugeestions for content way back..: There s/b alot of confrontations that take place indoors. Why does everything have to be outside? Why cant players access the hi rise buildings on Coronet as an example-take an elevator to the 12th floor. I have to cut this short and I cant say nearly as much as I wanted because I have to get back to work. May comment later....

SmedleyLlama
Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:23 am
#54






mrrpmnick wrote:

Its the same as if you play chess and one of the pieces is missing. If you LIKE to play, youll get through the game.






Use a penny.... or quit being so cheap and run out to K-mart for a new chess set. Either way, you'd still be addressing and fixing the problem.

Salisdus
Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:07 am
#55

All I got to Say is We difinetly need alot more dungeons like the Warren, that place is by far the funnest and most complacated dungeon in he entire game.
Reyak
Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:17 am
#56








Loot:


Adding more loot. Junk Vendors should buy more stuff







I want loot to drop that I can do something with other than take time to destroy the broken datapad or sell for 5 measly credits at the Junk Vendor. Give me a special hat (and not an @ss one ), necklace, picture, statue, or something that I can show off.


I don't give a rats about broken datapads, broken binoculars, or a wood axe. Give us real loot!




Reyak Elks
~Council Member of Kell Dragons
~~Member of BHAFA - Bounty Hunters Against Force Abusers
twosweeeeeeeeet
Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:22 am
#57

Yeah there are some things that are good but are far outweighed by the bugs, I am tired of going out with my guild and me being one away from MBH going with two master commandos we go PVP against a reb who is TKA/Pistoleer and he has defense mods stacked up way beyond what we have and we get wasted, MBH and Commando are supposed to be hybrid classes so they should have a slight edge in combat we also use the most skill points to aceive master, we should not get wasted agains someone who can master two or three elite classes and just lay waste, and then have better medic skills and can heal themselves better during battle



Asergaottie Aslov - Elder Jedi
I'm in Lela's Siggy!
Vendor Loc -3751 -1892 Forbidden City, Dant

"I will be the nightmare in your dreams that cause you
to wake up at 3 in the mourning, sweaty and in tears
and crying for your mothers love"

Paudam
Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:28 am
#58

They could have an advantage in technique though. They might have well designed macro's? Or the heal self button is in a more advantageous place. Perhaps they bought better armor than you have? Maybe you're reckless, ran in guns blazing and left yourself open? Their are so many variables to this game. I know if I was a master pistoleer, you'd waste me. Just because you're a certain profession, don't assume you can defeat any other profession. There is player skill involved here as well.



Pau Bokka
Ashla Network Chairman
twosweeeeeeeeet
Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:34 am
#59

Maybee a little skill involved but if you add up his defense mods, a TKA, Pistoller has 105 in dodge, Defense vs Stun, knockdown, dizzy and posture chg, also they have melee defense, a MBH has 24 in range weapons, 10 in dodge, and range mitigation 1,2,3 no melee defense or dodge defense near what they have, we hit him twice from 50m out defore he burst up on us and knocked all three of us out within seconds, there is an imbalance in the profession, when you can get two or three professions mastered or close to it and you can stack the defense mods, the defense mods do help you in the game.



Asergaottie Aslov - Elder Jedi
I'm in Lela's Siggy!
Vendor Loc -3751 -1892 Forbidden City, Dant

"I will be the nightmare in your dreams that cause you
to wake up at 3 in the mourning, sweaty and in tears
and crying for your mothers love"

Paudam
Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:39 am
#60

While I can understand that, shouldn't there be some imbalance? Fighting up close is a tough thing to do, especially if you're outnumbered, you can only take on one at a time. TKA should have a bit of an advantage when it comes to that. As a skilled BH, you should be aware and do what you can to prevent the TKA/Pistoleer from getting close and taking the upper hand. That's only my opinion, having never done BH, TKA or Pistoleel. I'm just a lowly Bio Engineer.



Pau Bokka
Ashla Network Chairman
Vashner
Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:03 am
#61

Jokuzui chill spas. For one this post was a good will post and a report. For 2 they know about the bugs and issues. Your ranting like this will get you no where. If you want to make changes for the better you need to engage better. SWG is ground breaking. First big game with Bigworld engine. They just now smoothing things out. I am hard on dev's sometimes attacking topics but it's NOTHING personal. On either side of the battles.




Jokuzui wrote:


HOW MUCH POT DO YOU SMOKE A DAY?


FIX STUFF BEFORE ADDING MORE CRAP ONTOP OF BROKEN CODE! IS IT REALLY THAT HARD OF A THING TO GET THROUGH UR **edit** HEAD? I LEARNED THAT THE FIRST DAY OFMY PROGRAMMING CLASS.


Tons of your quests are broken. Professions are broken despite your claim of "continue[ing] to give love and attention to all of the professions" Take pistoleer for instance...I have no clue what "disarming shot" does, it doesn't even tell me, let alone "disarming shot 2". "Multi-target pistol shot" LITERALLY does nothing but take off action. "Fanshot", which is supposed to hit ONE target, hits multiple targets. YOU CAN'T SHOOT THROUGH ROCKS BUT YOU CAN SHOOT THROUGH THE GROUND, am i the only one that gets angry at that?! BECAUSE ITS PRETTY DUMB THAT U CAN'T SHOOT THROUGH TEENY ROCKS BUT YET HUGE MOUNDS OF DIRT. The droid engineer is totally useless, aside to crafters and probots make OK tanks at best when built on a MASTER lvl. I MEAN ITS NOT LIKE DROIDS WERE A HUGE PART OF STARWARS OR ANYTHING. The game is more **edit** that starwars with CH and the design, not that i care because I like **edit** but this is starwars. Have you tried to survive w/o a pet?! Its pretty **edit** hard if you live on a rough planet. Im not even talking about crap design here though, like shooting 4x4' bases instead of a large scale base that would actually be fun...or actually feel like like u are part of the galactic civil war instead of random pve spawns or 'quake' style pvp where ppl camp the recruiters. IM TALKING ABOUT BROKEN CODE, BROKEN QUESTS, BROKEN PROFESSIONS, BROKEN COMBAT SYSTEMS AND THE COUNTLESS BUGS U ADD WITH EACH PATCH. HAVEN'T U LEARNED SINCE U WERE A CHILD, IF U HAVE NO CLUE WHATIS CAUSE A PROBLEMSSSSTTTOOOPP! AND FIGURE IT OUT!


Christ, i want to punch you in the face ( not literally, but to get my point across ) sometimes, mr producer. You have a phenominal engine that you are putting to waste! HIRE ME, I KNOW I COULD DO A BETTER JOB! And i mean that 100%, cuz who ever is in charge of this is either 1-NOT A GAMER 2-MORE CONCERNED ABOUT MONEY AND CORPORATE INTEREST THAN QUALITY OF GAME OR 3- A COMPLETE IDIOT IN A MANAGEMENT POSITION!


I could write tons more, but you already have tons of posts to read. Just wanted to get my NEGATIVE point across so maybe you could CHANGE WHAT YOU ARE DOING and fix things and maybe tweak what you ALREADY HAVE to make the game MORE ENJOYABLE, instead of ADDING TONS OF CRAP to stuff that IS ALREADY MESSED UP. before i GET SO ANGRY I STOP PLAYING THIS GAME AND TAKE ALL OF MY FRIENDS WITH ME. btw the holo thing is totally lame and your excuse of ther 'not being many jedi' in this time period is so bullcrap...i mean how many zabrak were on tatooine at this point, I DIDN'T SEE ONE TILL EP 1, thats amazing huh? Therse tons of things that don't hold true to the movies, and **edit** if u weren't gonna use holo's as some sort of scheme to get ppl to play, you know EVERYONE IS GOING TO WANT TO BE A JEDI. So why not make it take place earlier in starwars history? Oh yeah, cuz you wanted to do this lame NOT FUN scheme of holocrons. Im sorry but the real quest for absolute power doesn't come from following ur holocron...it comes from stickign to whatever idea u had for a character to start with, not to some dip developer that thinks u shoudl waster ur **edit** time doing stupid crap so he can get his paycheck. Theres cooler things u can do to make the game take up more time or be enjoyable. TONS OF THEM. **edit**, EMAIL ME AND I'LL TELL U TONS OF IDEAS.


i am sorry, i know u get tons of crap...like you need more. but this game is amazing and you're Ef'ingit up with crap management.


-joku









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JulianSpeed
Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:10 am
#62

....see here is my point...I never heard of the warren and only discovered it thruh these boards.Well thereis the monthly email but who reads these all the time.The developers need to get something in the game that players can refer to like the POI tab which was an excellent idea(scribbles down warren as something to check out or get involved when logged...)


Maybe Im missing the whole point. Perhaps there are alot of things the developers want players to discover on their own. If that is the case and there are no hints this may drive some away from SWG due to sheer repeatedness of waltzing around outdoors. The existing caves could be revamped to include stairs, doors and other interested things other than a cave with camp fires and mobs. The caves should connect to rooms and other interesting things. The cavesas of right now are veryplain.


As I was saying earlier,encounters that occur outdoorsalong w/ thehunting gets old after awhile. Its good that thereare caves and ST facilities to visit but more is needed like entrances to the inside of mountains with stairs and other interesting things that brings the encounters to life. All those skyscrapers on Correlia are a waste of space if they are not put to good use. Players should have access to these buildings and the elevator to do BH missions and other things. All Im saying is that these nice looking art assets should be put to use and not used for decoration only.



NSteelewolf
Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:16 am
#63




mrrpmnick wrote:


If you cannot laugh at the bugs in the game your taking it too seriously.



Paudam wrote:


Everyone, this is a game. It's not real life. I spend many hours playing it, so I'm not putting anyone down, but you can't expect it to be perfect.




I am sorry, I tend to take things "a little too seriously" when I amexpected to spend a subscription of$179.00 a year, as well as, $50 bucks just to load it onto my system and barring any additional costs that I might spend to upgrade my system to increase the possibility of enjoyment for that item.


In today's economy, asking this much money for a half baked application with no set timeline for bug related issues to be addressed can spell certain doom for software/game companies.


Our negativitywhich you find here (at least my own) is the result of spending so much money on said product that fails to perform sufficiantly,as well as, having [my] suggestions and comments on how to better this product for the enjoyment of everyone repeatedly being ignored by the PTB (Powers That Be) after they've asked repeated in these forums for the suggestions... only to turn around and do the opposite and force us to have to accept their boneheaded decisions.


Futhermore, your laid back attitude and acceptance of game stoppingbugs [andfinacial support for such without complaint]helps to facilatate an ever increasing "Pay Now, Fix Later"process that we see coming out of software companies today; a process, I might add, which was most noteably introduced and unleashed onto the public by the Microsoft Corporation and now seems to be adopted by the Online Gaming Industry.


Would you continue to pay for a television that only worked part of the time? Would you buy a car that needed to spend two weeks out of every month in a shop while the mechanic tries to figure out what is wrong with it after he supposedly just fixed it?


I would certainly hope not.


No, this game isn't real life. HOWEVER, the cost to enjoy it does CUT INTO my real life income and as a consumer I have a right and a responsibility to question the validity of spending that income on a product that fails to perform in an expected manner and rather than just taking my money and leaving, I would like to be able to offerpotentially valuable input necessary to make that product something that I don't mind spending that income on.


Furthermore, this product and the company producing it likes to tote this as a "Community driven product", if such is the case, then our complaints and suggestions ARE required and should not be condemned for offering such by mindless zombies who have nothing better to do than throw good money after bad.


Just my opinion...


~Nate





"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good DRUID at your side..."

Colonel Nathin Steelewolf [RMF]- Talus, Flurry
Master Marksman / Master Scout / Master Bounty Hunter
twosweeeeeeeeet
Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:17 am
#64

AMEN



Asergaottie Aslov - Elder Jedi
I'm in Lela's Siggy!
Vendor Loc -3751 -1892 Forbidden City, Dant

"I will be the nightmare in your dreams that cause you
to wake up at 3 in the mourning, sweaty and in tears
and crying for your mothers love"

JeremyMetal
Tue Dec 23, 2003 12:29 pm
#65

To anyone with a broken profession, countless bugs, missing items, decaying clothes/armor, and more things than i care to list: I propose, if youre upset/p.o.'ed that the developers or whomever are not addressing our issues. No one buys the Space Expansion, untill our current game is fixed.


Get those space expansion people over to the main office, smash those bugs, then start building a buggy add-on to a smooth running game.






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