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That would be really cool.....

1. Lightsabers need a revamp in how they're crafted.

• Crystals shouldn't be rare and hard to find, they should be easier to come by.
  
• Pearls should stay as they are, you should have to put out a lot of money to have a really nice saber.
  
• The condition of lightsabers needs to be higher, or when repaired we should have 0 chance of failure, with a 50 condition loss every time. This will let the sabers last a long time. Since we should have to depend on other professions, namely weaponsmiths (since we make our own), this shouldn't be a problem.
  
• Lightsabers need to be, well, lightsabers. There's only one thing in the galaxy that can withstand a Lightsaber attack, but since it's so brittle, it's worthless to be used as actual armor.

2. Force Powers

• Mind Blast - Shouldn't have a specific damage. It should be unresistable, unstopable.
  
• Lightning - Why isn't it doing Electric damage?
  
• Healing - Stopping Bleeds should be lower down in the skill tree, probably at Initiate. Also, healing Mind Wounds should also be at initiate. We can heal battle fatigue, but we still have to go watch an Entertainer to get our Wound Heals. Leave healing Mind Damage where it is, but give us a small Mind Wound heal at Initiate.
  
• Force Run - This is the only skill that doesn't give us experience (and it shouldn't), but it also gives us a TEF. I'd like to see it changed so that it doesn't give us a TEF since we also get no experience from it.
  
• I really like the way Force Power scales. Keep that

3. Experience

• While having Jedi experience based off using Force Powers, as a Light Jedi I see no reason why I have to kill and kill countless mobs to get experience. It just doesn't feel like I'm a Jedi. It needs to be quest based, especially for the Light Side. While there still needs to be combat in the quests, since Jedi do have to protect themselves occasionally, it shouldn't be the main way we gain experience.
  
• As for the Dark Side, killing is their game, and how it is should be more like what they have. Less quests, more all out killing. The draw for the Dark Side is that it's easier. This should be reflected in the experience. Make it easier to be a Master Dark Jedi than it is for being a Jedi Master. Also, since they don't have as much regen as Light, they should have more Force Power than they do as of now.

4. Visibility

• What gives us visibility? We have a general idea, but we need to know exactly what it is.
  
• Bounty Hunter missions, while great, shouldn't be the main way of controlling the Jedi Population. There needs to be a chance that we pull down the wrath of Darth Vader. He should come out of nowhere, completely demolishing anyone, even Masters.

5. Defenses

• Defense vs Dizzy - We're Jedi, strong of mind and will, we shouldn't get dizzy.
  
• Defense vs Knockdown - While we should have a chance of getting Knocked down, we should have at least some resists to it.
  
• Defense vs Intimidate - We're Jedi, who's going to Intimidate ME? We shouldn't get Intimidated.
  
• Defense vs Posture Change (Up and Down) - Same thing as Knockdown
  
• Defense vs Blind - Not needed. We have so much accuracy that it cancels out.
  
• Defense vs Stun - What does Stun do? Who cares about Stun...
  
• Innate Resists - 50% resist to everything. We shouldn't need armor.

Well, that's about it from me. The only thing that really needs to be done right now is to stop the endless killing of poor critters. After that, add defenses, change the lightsaber/force power attacks, and we'll all be happy.

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Sabers -

Crystals should be easily obtained to match demand. If saber wear dictates a jedi need three or four crystals a week, then the *JEDI* should be able to obtain three or four crystals a week.

Saber wear is extrememly fast but understandable. But saber repair should be limited to replacing the crystal and have a far better success rate.

Armor vs robes -

Both should be an option to jedi. While robes with stats and protections might fit the look better, a jedi should be able to appear as any other player in the game if he is to be in "hiding". A jedi in robes should not be a walking target sign with "shoot me I'm jedi" on his back.

Tags/badges/bios -

If jedi are "in hiding" then do something about them being examined. No profession badges, no tag means jedi. Allow for some sort of "novice xxxx" tag to be worn (or better yet, allow *everyone* in the game the option of turning off being examined, which introduces the "unkown" factor).

Quests/trials -

Don't make these things/places/NPCs campable by every BH-wannabe. Nothing static.The quest system should obviously replace the broken apprentice points sytem. AP xp will be next to impossible to get and now with skill losses, if someone were to lose master jedi they would likely never get it back. Jedi being rare should eliminate any apprentice point system being used (not visa-versa).

Light/dark -

Don't try to make unique powers and abilities...then spend years balancing and counter-balancing the sides. Give both sides the same access to the Force and let how/when/where/and on who the powers are used determine if they are light or dark. A dark jedi is not measured by his using force lighting...he is measured by WHO he is using it on.

TEF/BH -

If a jedi is TEF to a BH due to a mission, then that BH should be TEF to the jedi.

Defenses -

I think alot of this problem will go away when KD/dizzy is nerfed. Dizzy could be adjusted to be alot of things (reduced accuracy, etc) but the KD/dizzy combo is obviously skewing PvP outcomes on every encounter. When will gamedevelopers learn that total-disability attacks ruin PvP. There is no sport in simply killing someone who is on their back and can't fight back.

Jedi Cost of Living -

This is currently a major joke. A jedi needs a good two million credits a week to function (armor and crystals). If anything has ruined the early stages of jedi for me, this was it. I'm not talking about uber 5th-gen sabers...I'm talking about a suit of ubese and two crystals a week.

I've had my jedi for a few months now and i gottasay verydisappointed in the ways it works. I am not a jedi whiner but i was looking forward to roleplaying in this game and there is none.i would like to see quests involving story lines and puzzle solving for jedi ultimately even quests t obring dark jedi back to the light and such ( or vice versa if a dark jedi character).

my personal vision for jedi would be instead of an additional character slot just opening access to jedi skills and templates on our main character to move thorugh the game much as luke did in his training through the movie. having to find a master and training and as i am training giving up skills as i rely on my growing jedi skills over time much as luke stopped using his other skills like getting rid of his blaster weapons as he became more proficient in using his light saber. much as we all did on the grind to opening our slot giving up skills in one class as we needed new skills for our next class. this would almost certainly solve the whole problem of a lack of defenses for novice jedi. we would at least have the skills we already had obtained to rely on as we switch to jedi.

it seems very much to me as if they jedi where never meant to be the pvp gods of combat we all thought they would be so why not bring the xp req's more in line with those of other characters? it seems to me also that bounty hunter mission against us and even the whole constant pvp tef is a little unfair and really leaves us as griefer fodder. iwould like it to be more like regular faction missions where we get a tef only when doing faction missions. even balance our skills and combat abilities as you balance all the other classes.

i would like to see experience trees and skills for light and dark jedi to reflect thier opposing pathos. for instance lower xp req's and better offensive capabilities for dark jedi to reflect that the dark side is quicker easier to obtain. and higher xp req's and better defensive capabilities for light side jedi to reflect that they are doing the more difficult path but with greater rewards by listening to the force.

but most important i want story lines and philosphical missions leading us down our path. i would also just like it to be FUN! jedi as is currently envisioned = zero fun. just boring swg stopped being fun with all the grinding and lack of realopportunites to roleplay. this game has become exactly that a game and not a very starwarsy one at that. it has only replaced solitaire as my time waster of choice.

in closing I still possess a small amount of faiths that the devs might be able to fix this profession but it is fst fading .

ok ive spent well over an hour now reading posts and ive got a few ideas/sugestions, please bear with me i am not a jedi, i am not close to obtaining jedi status

in my opinion i thinkg this whole jedi thing should be as close to, or similar to, lukes journey durring SW4-6. and what i mean by that is any character with any profession should beable to become a jedi. Luke was a farm boy on tattooine. i think that the journy should have nothing to do with any of the professions, (although having certain professions wouldnt hurt) kinda a rags to riches deal where any one from any profession can just stop and start the path of the jedi. however, to become a jedi should take complete devotion to becomeing a jedi and at least a month to attain. one sugestion i heard was that your actions should have an effect on what side you lean towards and that i think is a very good idea. and maybe it shoulnt be as much as actions in a quest as much as actions in the game. forinstance start keeping tabs on how many of a certain faction are killed per player, or just look at faction points. if someone does nothing but kills people all day (good or bad) then they definately should be on the dark side, and have that be their only option, (so if you have a rebel with over like 2,000 imperial kills and stuff like that, even though hes a rebel he should not alowed to control the light side) now this starting quest should be a random quest, given by a hermit or something (nothing to do with the force aka jedi master in desguise) and it shoulldnt be hard to find, mysterious yes, but not hard to find "lengend tells of a hermitt that lives in a cave outside of theed" something to that effect. this way anyone who wants to open their force slot should beable to do so. so then you open your force slot, the next step would be to find a master. now the master would be either a) annpc OR!!!!!! A PLAYER JEDI MASTER!!!!! now the catch would be... BH's are out on the prowl for jedi's (have the reward for killing a master really really high) so if someone comes up to you and says "hey are you a jedi master can you train me?" are they really looking for training or are they looking to kill me? there should be very few questswith becomeing a jedi and should mainly beimproving skills. jedi's and padawans will meet in homes or secret locations (some skills will have to be honed outside) and will train together. (masters can make training droids orcan duel padawans for lightsaber wielding experience. a master will have to give blue prints to a padawan to make a lightsaber. and a padawans first lightsaber will probably fail. and this should be the same for NPC masters as well. and if the master dies then thepadawan starts looking for a new master. now the catch would be that to attain the absolute top of the top jedi you have to take on an apprentice and train them to be a jedi. after a jedi reches a certain point i think to attain higher skills he should beable to venture out alone, and continue the path of jedi by him self.

by doing any if not all of this it would take the camping for jedis completely out of the picture, plus it would encourage friendships and working with other people. i do enjoy doing quests and stuff but questiiing should be just half of the battle, if any at all. i was one of the few who attained badges like the intelligence badge and people spoiled the fun by shadowing you and then stealing the random quest for themselves which made it very frustrating and not very enjoyable. if we leave it up to the players to get to jedi for them selves and less dependant on random or static quests it would be a much more enjoyable game.

a few no-no's that i would definately not like to see added to the whole jedi quest thing

1 quests, and unlocking your force slot should have nothing to do with faction rank (jedi's are wisemen/women not soldiers, lets keep it like that)

2 becoming a jedi should not need any combat training nore artisan training, any person from any profession should beable to start the path if they want

3 from what ive read from some of the posts in here lightsabers need to act more like lightsabers

4 becomeing a jedi should be very dificult to attain even for the most avid players

5 jedi should be based on skill not only on quests

these are my 2 cents, comments criticisms, flames, and compliments are all welcome

Kiashia [90 Elder Jedi, 90 Spy, 90 Medic, 90 Bounty hunter, 90 Commando] The crystal is the heart of the blade. The heart is the crystal of the Jedi. The Jedi is the crystal of the Force. The Force is the blade of the heart.

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So what's it gonna be? In the best intrest of the game as a whole? Or, in the name of creating some crack pot time sink to keep the money flowing?

This game doesn't need those to be sucessful. In fact timesinks and money sinks ruin this game.

It's like creating a beautiful painting, that steals your breath away, then changing parts of it or adding things to it beacause someone says that it won't sell if you don't.

STOP TRYING TO CREATE THINGS THAT FORCE PEOPLE TO PLAY FOR AN EXTENTED PERIOD OF TIME TO ENJOY A HIGHLY SOUGHT AFTER ASPECT OF THE GAME.

People will respect a good solid game with no aces in the hole type time sinks more and will give back in return.

YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW. AND THERE IS ALOT RIDING ON THIS CHANGE TO THE GAME.

• Say you get a combat related mission. Don't make it like every other combat related quest, where it spawns something 1km away. Make the player travel to another planet. Make 'chains' of NPC's that you have to talk with to find out enough information about where it is what you're hunting for whatever reason. When you finally find the creature/person/foe then you should obviously know it and feel accomplished that you got this lengthy task done. Most combat quests seem to take me 3-5 minutes tops.


• Say you get a crafting related mission. Have the component (perhaps something that really lets you it's a jedi related mission, like a lightsaber component) require some fairly rare resources. Now some of you might be thinking..... well then you would be dependant on the server spawning those minerals if they didn't exist. Well you could develope NPC chains that could 'spawn' some for you that you could sample for.


• Say you get an entertainment mission. Someone sends you out in search of a very hard to contact agent first to find out who you must perform for and talk the agent into performing for very important people that would eventually lead to someone who is knowledgable about the force or something equally obvious.


• Say you get a medical mission. There is a rare disease that you must cure. Not only must you search out the components to manufacture the cure but you also have to find and administerthe cure to important people. For instance some jedi inflicted with a strange aliment,that he cannot use the force to cure,sends you to amaster doctor that then sends you on a chain of quests to research the cure and have you produce it.


• Say you get an exploration mission. There is a jedi that believes that there are some valuable force crystals in a dungeon. You must take a small group of buddies and finish the dungeon to scout it out properly. Say that expedition turns out unfavorable results. The jedi would then send you to another planet to do the same thing again.

3. Also.... please make the missions we get related to our skills. I think it would be silly once again to grind out your character that you enjoy playing only to find that your 'jedi missions' require you to do something totally else. Don't make us ruin our main characters if we just want to try out jedi. Alot of players are still using their main characters along with their jedi. Some might get halfway down the 'jedi mission' path only to find that they were happier doing what they did before their jedi missions.

4. I think a mission system with some codependancy is fine. You could do this quiet easily if you used a missions system like above. For instance take the medical type of mission. Say thathe finds that he needs the blood of a special type of rancor. Now he is a medic, not a commando. He just likes healing not weilding a blaster and running to his doom. So to finish the quest he needs to call up his buddy to help him take down this beast so that he can get what he needs. The next quest he finds out that he needs this special component to deliver the cure. So he calls up his artisan friend who is also doing their 'jedi missions'. Now the artisan has already done the 'lightsaber' component quest. In that quest he recieved aschematic for this lightsaber component. It just happens to turn out that this component can be used ALSO in the medic's cure quest. So he has his artisan buddy make him up one. This encourages the player to be more social and this whole 'jedi mission' thing is alot bigger then just himself. He could use the help of others.

5. When we complete a section of the quest please give us some sort of recognition that we've done something significant. I think the easiest way to do this is to simply give us a badge. For example with the medical 'jedi mission' we could get a badge with something like "..... has cured a rare disease for a jedi"Not only would this beat neat to have as a trophy for our character... but it would be some way to gauge or progress towards force sensitivity.

6. If you had these special badges awarded then all you have to do from that point on is pick a number required for a FSCS. The way I'm envisioning these missions I think 10 of these badges would be about right. If these quests were made hard enough then it would take a 'hardcore' player atleast a month or two to get through all this.

I think the point I have to stress the most over all of these again is to make it obvious that we are making progress.... no matter how little, toward our FSCS. Don't leave us in the dark doing random things hoping for the best. That will only make players more frustrated and quit.

-Vaelek