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Thread: Publish 8.2 Feedback: Death Watch Bunker

Xinn
Sat Jun 12, 2004 6:08 pm
#547



Sendeel wrote:

Ok this is really annoying. For all of you people complaining that the devs should put in more content for the casual gamer, LOOK AROUND. The entire game is full of casual-gamer content! If you need help finding it and are too lazy to go exploring on your own, check out these great maps ---> http://www.simantix.co.uk/swgmaps/ There are PLENTY of things that soloers and small groups can do with little or no experience or help.

The DWB is the first quest/dungeon for the truly hardcore gamer. The geo lab and the vette can probably be considered mid-level content, and can easily be done by a single organized group, even without the campers to help in the lab. It took my guild (1 group) 2 attempts to complete the lab...mainly due to lack of knowledge the first time through, and the vette is now routine. In my limited experience in MMORPGs, namely EQ for a year, there are many areas that you can't even access without an entire group of elite players, and have absolutely zero chance of surviving long without a raid force of 40+ players all maxed out on level and with the best gear available. This is what the devs were aiming for in the DWB....the first truly elite dungeon for a raid force of elite players.

Which brings me to my next point. You whiners are all being way too close-minded. Have a little more creativity. Why is every one stuck in the mindset that it should be doable by a single group? No, a single group alongside another single group alongside another, etc... does not help. Why not try taking in, say, 3 full groups, all working together as a team. When you add that to all the other groups and the campers, it shouldn't be too hard, as long as everyone works together as a team. One more thing: This dungeon can't be instanced. If it was designed for one group to complete, it would just be another vette. I for one am glad the devs finally put a REAL challenge in the game.






Not everybody knows 70 friggin' players that are A) good enough and B) trustworthy enough. The only thing DWB is good for is leveling. 70 people doing the same dungeon NINETY times to get ONE suit of armor for ONE player is retarded by any stretch of the word. The hell with Everquest...this is SWG, I don't give a crap what you need to do in EQ or any other game...I play THIS one.
Kurtisclip
Sat Jun 12, 2004 9:43 pm
#548

Have the Dev's even bothered to respond to this thread?





Jezzebella Scmay

Zema Scmay
Tobit0
Sun Jun 13, 2004 4:38 am
#549

The devs need new management, I don't know who makes all the decisions, but they all seem to be wrong lately, the corvette was tough enough before they decided to take drugs and deploy SBD's around the place. The DWB is just another instance of stupidity. The loot system in this game is all screwed up, SBD's are tough yet they give no loot, this is obsuredin the extreme.


I don't have any more input to this thread, as the bunker is just stupid, I don't even bother going there anymore as it does not constitute interesting gameplay, because it's crap, extra crap with some rancid cherries on top.


What gets me is the loot system, I can loot krayts, aklays and SBD's all day long and get nothing, i've looted 9 krayts now, and all nine loots havegiven nothing. I looted a npc chump imp the other day and got a twin force crystal, how stupid is that.



Tobit
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Mild-Breeze-Trooper
Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:29 pm
#550

I've spent time reading about it, talking to friends who have been there and come to one conclusion.


I'll do it when the combat balance occurs, making the playingfield at least remotely level. (When one TKM can outdamage a groupe of one Master Swordsman and one Master Carbineer the playingfield isn't even remotely level, trust me) or when Carbineers get a Lightning Carbine with decent damage,low HAM cost and a speed that allows a master carbineer to cap Crippleshot.

Wichever comes first.

Hell, there is nothing in the bloody bunker for me anyways. I can't wear the armor,I don't want a jetpack, New pistols are about as needed as an additional eye placed on my elbow and another axe excites me about as much as the possibility to get attacked with a pistol that shoots aditional eyes.



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Gair
Sun Jun 13, 2004 11:53 pm
#551

The first ever mandalorian helm crafted on live server *SHADOWFIRE* came to a devestating end, when after giving all 4 components ( Binary Liquid, Protective Coating, Alum Mineral, and the Bounty-Hunter helm ) .. the forge is broken


This is exactly what happened step by step... CSRs pay attention, developers, all people on all servers..


This is the screenshot of me giving logic all of the components:


http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=83848&poll_id=0&warned=y


Logic was our droid engineer who was going to craft the item. Just trying to open the door took forever, but it finally told us that it was being unlocked. We were going up the first ramp when... This is where it gets weird.


Logic dies .. from what we don't know, but we never started crafted so malynda rez'd him. On our end everything looked fine, but he wasn't moving. On logic's end he didn't rez, he went into a loading screen as if he cloned. When he stopped loading he was in the forge room. From our point of view he never moved an inch, just kept standing there.


At this point, none of us were ejected, and we wanted that helm made. We still had at least 3 minutes left. So Logic ran up to the forge.. inserted the 4 items and he got this series of messages:


This is the screenshot of us at the forge:


http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=83849&poll_id=0&warned=y


These are the series of messages:


All items have been accepted and the manufacturing process is about to begin...


The terminal is displaying numbers and images. It is not ready for input at this time


(Keep a note, we had just put in all 4 items)


Check the terminal to continue the manufacturing process. If the process does not continue within the next thirty(30) seconds it will be shut down.


At this point logic has spammed the use button like 10 times.. then he gets this message:


The manufacturing process halted due to slow input from the end user.


(Keep a note, all items are already input into the machine, and it has already told us all items have been accepted and it was beginning.... )


Here is the screenshot of logic's log... i had to edit out the profanity. ( For the messages stated above )


http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=83850&poll_id=0&warned=y



In conclusion, the mandalorian forge is indeed broken, and we have proved that tonight.. June 13th - 14th from 9pm - 2am... and beyond.. this is me standing there... at the forge and hour later after i should have been ejected long ago..


http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=83854&poll_id=0&warned=y


To CSRs/Developers: We feel we deserve at least the item crafted, we had spent weeks preparing for this adventure to only get robbed of this historical event. It is not fair to us or to anyone on any other server for this to happen to them. Please do not give us the excuse, we are sorry for your inconvience. That is an old excuse.


Please contact Gair, Unicron, Machaca or Logic on Shadowfire for more information reguarding this incident. We have logs and screenshots to prove this happened. Not only those, but a group full of witnesses who will testify with their own screenshots and logs to validate this claim.


*Administrators do NOT delete this post, because you don't want people knowing of this bug like you did my other DWB post that showed the mine bugs. If it is deleted for any reason, you better believe i will repost it until i am banned form SWG*


Thanks for anyone who reads this, and i'm sorry to report such bad news.


Gair / Unicron of Shadowfire!

Galoopa
Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:39 am
#552






spyles78 wrote:
I hope you and everyone in your group submitted a CS Ticket Gair, cause buried on page 25 I'm betting the CSRs or Devs or whoever aren't seeing this. Hell, I'm betting they stopped reading the thread after the 5th page.





Yeah I'm expecting this thread to be ignored and locked like the Vette thread soon. That or they'll use his post as "proof" that the bunker is doable.



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Templar290
Mon Jun 14, 2004 9:07 am
#553

You guys must have spent a lot of time and effort to get that far just to get a kick in the balls. I guess the DWB is just going to be a place to ignore untill its fixed, if ever. And yes, the Devs will just use this to say "Look, it can be done!" It doesn't mean they at all care about you and your groups troubles, they'll just replace the lost componets and give you "Good luck, try again". Then they'll just hop on over to their private server where they are all mando wearing jedi running amuck in god mode seeing who can get to the starport first to load up their X-wings. Hmmm, I am sounding a bit pesimistic.


As far as the stupid droids go, just taking junk from the corvette and making it red does not count as content. They could have atleast reskinned them or something instead of just a coat of paint and *poof*......new droids. Again these droids do not belong here or on the corvette. There are Trade Federation Loyalist on Naboo, why not a Trade Federation Stronghold on Naboo where.....get this.....the Trade Fedaeration Loyalist use......oh this is good......Trade Federation battle droids and super battle droids. Nah, that makes too much frigin sense, what the hell was I thinking. The Devs were right to just drop 30 year old droids right into the middle of a Rebel Corvette, because we know the rebels use those droids all the time. Its part of their alliance with the Trade Federation, right? Or the Death Watch, or some magical alternate reality maybe?


Sorry to rant but this whole subject just irks me to no end.
RancorBeastofFear
Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:02 pm
#554

[qoute]

All items have been accepted and the manufacturing process is about to begin...


The terminal is displaying numbers and images. It is not ready for input at this time


(Keep a note, we had just put in all 4 items)


Check the terminal to continue the manufacturing process. If the process does not continue within the next thirty(30) seconds it will be shut down.


At this point logic has spammed the use button like 10 times.. then he gets this message:


The manufacturing process halted due to slow input from the end user.


(Keep a note, all items are already input into the machine, and it has already told us all items have been accepted and it was beginning.... )


Here is the screenshot of logic's log... i had to edit out the profanity. ( For the messages stated above )

[end qoute]



it actually takes 5 items to make the helmit and you need a Armorsmith to craft a Helmit



This was done on test center and I believe it was a Wookiee Armorsmith that had 5 peices to make the armor not 4 so there is your problem friend



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Lord strike that poor boy down
Turned from Hunted into Hunter
and went to hunt somebody down.....


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RancorBeastofFear
Mon Jun 14, 2004 7:32 pm
#555

I just want to say OOPS I was wrong


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=droid_engineer&message.id=88351



Sowwy



......And someone said Fair Warning
Lord strike that poor boy down
Turned from Hunted into Hunter
and went to hunt somebody down.....


Van Halen 1979
NoVaRydr
Tue Jun 15, 2004 12:32 am
#556

Let me echo the words of Attichetcuk,

"Hey, I'm a solo pistoleer. I stand no chance at these places. I stand no chance of using the new content. I can only fight at fort tuskin for so long without getting bored. Please, please give some content that doesnt require ubber defense stacking and such to play....I feel like your forgetting a very large part of your player base here. I love that you continue to evolve the game into something great. I appreciate your hard work, but please think of the implications to the content your adding."


This really conveys the problem with the last couple of urber missions. You, dear devs, are developing for a very small minority of your player base while the rest of us are left trying to figure out how to stay interested in the game until the combat balance and JTL arrive.


Please, give some thought to meaningful special missions for the rest of us? Please...


Thanks.



Grey
Sunrunner Galaxy
jedhel
Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:13 am
#557

I havent made it very far in the bunker due to the difficultly.

THANK YOU FOR MAKING IT HARD seriously. I got beaten like a rented mule the first 10 times i went there, but im trying and getting further, and having a good time.

The bunker is a great challenge and i enjoy it.

Maybe one day I'll get a group of 20 Master commandos to fight there way in.

This is a hardcore area, unbuffed novice brawlers with empty stomachs wearing pantaloons and a pretty pink hat SHOULD get their asses handed to them....

PLEASE DO NOT MAKE THIS AREA EASY FOR SOLO PLAYERS OR CASUAL GAMERS, its a complex full of mandalorian soldiers and combat droids, if people want an easy fun happy time they should go play Barbie's magical happy gumdrop summer beach kitten fest part II(Part one was way to hard)


I dont want to see everyone and their little master tailor sister strutting around in Mandalorian armor





Jayareoh Boon:Gunslinger
Rebel Colonel
jed XIX



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jedhel
Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:17 am
#558

PS.

I would like to see all dungeons and lairs becoming instanced so i dont have to hear the guy next to me crying I HATE SWG WHAWHAWHA as i fight to the death(for the 50th time)



Jayareoh Boon:Gunslinger
Rebel Colonel
jed XIX



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taloncard
Tue Jun 15, 2004 4:19 pm
#559

I will make it short and sweet

TOO
Hard
Laggy
monotious (spend 20 min killing 1 thing)

a SBD with 300K ham is not content.

Bring back the puzzle like nature of the warren. Something that requires you to think not just
Kill, Loot, repeate.




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