Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Friday Feature Pt 2 May 7th 2004 Jedi Archives Volume II
Manogr wrote:
It is obvious that the community is not ready for the voting system...We are not ready for the voting system...
TH I am really curious if you consider changing this system as you did to the droid and other changes...or is it set in stone ?
Keep up the good work,
Manogr
I think this is all premature. How do we know we are not ready for the voting system, if we don't even know how it will work??? This is what the test phase on TC is for. TH already said that they had some reservations about the council. I'm sure they have some alternatives.
I think everyone needs to wait until we see what its actually like before we start complaining about it. I think it sounds pretty cool. If I can't be on the council, then I'll just RP a Qui-Gon type character.
The only obvious thing is that people like to complain to and jump to conclusions. The player as a base knows almost NOTHING about the voting system and yet there are more doomsday theories than I can care to count. Complain after you learn the details of it.
Manogr wrote:
It is obvious that the community is not ready for the voting system...We are not ready for the voting system...
TH I am really curious if you consider changing this system as you did to the droid and other changes...or is it set in stone ?
So are we getting a REAL revamp of the crystal system or not? (NOTE: Making crystals drop off creature or other mobs--that wouldnever logically have crystals in the first place and are easily camped--is not an acceptable revamp).
It doesn't make sense that Light Jedi are running around killing people/creatures just to take their force crystals away from them. That is not the jedi way....
What about these ideas for force crystals:
(1) Harvesting - The Jedi gets a special survey/harvest ability (at the appropriate level for making lightsabers).
Force crystalswould work just like power for harvesters. Force crystals spawn on the various planets in a few, VERY ISOLATED small patches, and the jedi has to search far and wide for them. When the jedi finds them, they could be of any quality (from 1 to 1000) just like all resources, so it may be months beforea jediever finds any decent ones. You harvest it from the ground (by hand...there are no harvesters for it), and once you have a stack of it, you put it in your lightsaber, which slowly eats the crystals up as the lightsaber is used.
Additionally, just like power, and crystals of 500 OQ or less will work normally, and any crystals of 500+ OQ would give a percent bonus to damage (just like power lasts longer).
Example: A jedi searches all over Yavin IV and finds a 15% patch of force crystals. The jedi harvests for 30 minutes and gets around 1500 units of crystal of 600 OQ. The lightsabers could be made to use up 1 unit of crystal every 5 minutes of use (just an example...use whatever consumption rate is balanced), so that harvesting will last the jedi about 75 hours of use. Additionally, since the crystals are 600 OQ, the jedi would get a 20% bonus to his normal lightsaber damage.
THAT makes sense...it reserves crystals to jedi and preserves the rare, powerful crystalsto more experienced jedi.
(2) Creating - Force crystals could be made synthetically through a crafting process (very similar to the way it was done in many of the books).Crystals could require 2-3 types of ore or metal, which would spawn only some of the time, and would be high quality rarely.All jedi would start with a little bit of each of the required resources to get them started.
The quality of the crystal made by the jedi would depend on the quality of the resources, so Like #1, it would take a LONG time for a jedi to get really good force crystals, because the resources spawing with good qualities would happen only rarely, and so only experienced jedi would be able to make them.
Thunderheart wrote:
bissli77 wrote:
rma-6edn- wrote:
TH, will i be able to develop my Light Jedi to its fullest potential, with or without the voting of chair in the council?
Is my Jedis full potential accessable, if there is coruption in the council. OR even if the council is not corrupt, i am simply never voted for posision?
other then a title, or is the title correspondent to certain abilities (full potential)
You will be able to develop your Jedi to its fullest PvE potential. The Light Side voting and Dark Side combat is strictly a PvP mechanic...
Think of the way councils work more as competition ladder.
So essentially it is a meaningless ranking then? Because if it has any affect on skills, powers, etc. of the character it is both PvE and PvP. And it would affect PvE potential.
IndySWG wrote:
The question is "Does ranking on this competition ladder grant some ability or skill that is unavailable to Jedi who wish not to participate in PvP"
Thunderheart wrote:
You will be able to develop your Jedi to its fullest PvE potential. The Light Side voting and Dark Side combat is strictly a PvP mechanic...
Think of the way councils work more as competition ladder.
I think its going to be quite difficult to be a Jedi and NOT engage in PvP.
1. Casual gamers, ok semi-casual gamers will NEVER be able to get votes that the 27/7 gamers get.
2. This system is designed for the hardcore, die hard Jedi that wants more after they have mastered everything they could. It is the 'moving
target' that help to keep the core group of hard core players in the game. It alienate the Jedi that spent a year or longer to get their powers
3. The is no mechanic for debate, no rules of conduct, no guide to keep the peace.Peoples egos as well as there good intent will get in the way. Elitism WILL set in. As members of the Light Jedi order grow, they will form a community. This community will have leadership raise to higher level
and provide order and guidance to the community. As various ideologies develop within the community, rifts will form and different groups will
vote in accordance with there ideals.
There are going to be a lot of confused, unset, and alienated Jedi. Because Jedi are not suppose to use violence as the first means for a solution, the voting system seems to be a good method at first glance. Now Light Jedi have a whole new game they will have to play.
Politician.
No thank you!
TH, I know we will know get a part of the answer soon but will Light Saber special still cost force?
And if you mix your Jedi with brawler skill, are melee specials useable with the lightsaber (general melee specials from the brawler initiate and master, like the overcharge shot from marksman works for a LLC for example). Will this melee special then cost force or HAM ?
I expect the special to still cost force power to make it easier not to have to rebalance again when the combat balence strike.
If it is not the case, will special cost change again with the combat balance ?
(this is always around the fact that secondaries are worthless for a pure jedi, which make the zabrak race the Jedi the most represented so far)
Thanks in advance !
Agent001 wrote:
IndySWG wrote:
The question is "Does ranking on this competition ladder grant some ability or skill that is unavailable to Jedi who wish not to participate in PvP"
Thunderheart wrote:
You will be able to develop your Jedi to its fullest PvE potential. The Light Side voting and Dark Side combat is strictly a PvP mechanic...
Think of the way councils work more as competition ladder.
I think its going to be quite difficult to be a Jedi and NOT engage in PvP.
Yes but up until the Knight level the jedi has at least some control as to when they are TEFd. The question people are asking is...
If they want to sacrifice that control...and be Perma-Overt ... is there some reason to do this other than rank and glory.
Is there SKILLS and ABILITIES granted only at that level?
Some Jedi would choose to remain at a lower level and maintain their limited control on their TEF - but that decision will be altered based on why exactly they would want to rank. Is it just rank/glory... or is there some gotta-have skill that I can only get as a perma-overt Jedi.
Thunderheart wrote:
eastmaster wrote:
basically the first jedi, however many sit on the council, will hold the council position indefinately. it will be who knows the most people...not necassarily the most deserving or most dedicated as in the films.
This will be nearly impossible - - expect this to change frequently. The devs have anticipated this and compensated by putting very difficult variables on the Force Ranking positions. It will be difficult to hold any position for any length of time - - kind of like a good game of "King of the Mountain". You may get to the top and hold it for a bit, but there will always be many who want to knock you downThis is something I'm sure we will tweak on Test Center as well, so we can get the best results.
So people learn the different variables and then switch up after they get voted till the next votes comes around. Keep doing that and you'll always stay on the council, and the rest of the people are FUBAR. It sounds great, but when you stick people togetherthat have to be better than everyone else, it will suck for the people who don't feel like competing with other people and making enemies.
Make it more or less Ranks. You have to do X to get this rank. You have to do X to get the next rank, and so on. Everyone CAN get to the highest rank, and everyone will have the same abilities, but it should take time and devotion to prove that you are worthy of that rank.
And as for TC, how do you expect us to level on TC when we won't have any lightsabers?
OK, Let me see if I have this right:
- Light Jedi rise up in ranking, eventually rising into the Jedi Council
- In case of multiple Jedi of the same rank, a vote decides who..advances.
- If you are not activly "doing", you will eventually loose your position (because other's ranks are increasing, but yours is not)
OK, Now, Dark Jedi increase their rank by killing others...
Now, since Light Jedi can't kill nice peeps.... it's not the "light" way. it's hard to see how they'll advance
(UNLESS.... They may get points, but only for killing "Bad" people (Dark Jedi and selected Factions....)