Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Friday Feature Pt 2 May 7th 2004 Jedi Archives Volume II
Thunderheart wrote:
Frohike wrote:No offense TH, but they puts way too much power into other players' hands. Your setting up a greifing system. A popularity contest.Its nice and all in a perfect world, and yes...it would be nice to go with continuity on this one. But this won't work. You put too much trust and faith in other people.If this is implemented. You MIGHT see alot of Jedi goto the darkside.It certainly is a challenge to institute something like that and your point was actually Shug's biggest sticking point as well. Even still, its a difficult thing to look forward and see with clarity. The thing is that the Force Ranking is going to be a lot more challenging than it seems in terms of time. Holding a slot for a long period of time is going to be a challenge for sure...
This doesn't sound like fun to me.
Thunderheart wrote:
Frohike wrote:
No offense TH, but they puts way too much power into other players' hands. Your setting up a greifing system. A popularity contest.
Its nice and all in a perfect world, and yes...it would be nice to go with continuity on this one. But this won't work. You put too much trust and faith in other people.
If this is implemented. You MIGHT see alot of Jedi goto the darkside.
It certainly is a challenge to institute something like that and your point was actually Shug's biggest sticking point as well. Even still, its a difficult thing to look forward and see with clarity. The thing is that the Force Ranking is going to be a lot more challenging than it seems in terms of time. Holding a slot for a long period of time is going to be a challenge for sure...
Worst. Idea. Ever. You are going to have a bunch of leet speak children who think they are teh uberist running the thing and they will grief the entire system so only their friends move up and it will turn into a thing where you'll have to buy peoples vote. Really. I don't know wht you guys were thinking. Most of the powergamers are nothign but children who are not mature enough for them to decide if other shall move up. It's disheartening to think that you guys thought this would be a good idea. It shows you really don't seem to understand the world your game has built.
Gaenjin wrote:
Nice concept, but it won't be popular at all with the community. Actually it's not. Already unofficial polls from my server indicate that ~85% of 100 Jedi polled said they will go Dark and most cite this as their deciding factor. Are there any alternatives?
Skedoozy wrote:
Thunderheart wrote:
Frohike wrote:
No offense TH, but they puts way too much power into other players' hands. Your setting up a greifing system. A popularity contest.
Its nice and all in a perfect world, and yes...it would be nice to go with continuity on this one. But this won't work. You put too much trust and faith in other people.
If this is implemented. You MIGHT see alot of Jedi goto the darkside.
It certainly is a challenge to institute something like that and your point was actually Shug's biggest sticking point as well. Even still, its a difficult thing to look forward and see with clarity. The thing is that the Force Ranking is going to be a lot more challenging than it seems in terms of time. Holding a slot for a long period of time is going to be a challenge for sure...
Worst. Idea. Ever. You are going to have a bunch of leet speak children who think they are teh uberist running the thing and they will grief the entire system so only their friends move up and it will turn into a thing where you'll have to buy peoples vote. Really. I don't know wht you guys were thinking. Most of the powergamers are nothign but children who are not mature enough for them to decide if other shall move up. It's disheartening to think that you guys thought this would be a good idea. It shows you really don't seem to understand the world your game has built.
Maybe, though kiddies will get into internal wars way more easily. The real people who will hold power are the adult powergamers who are more diciplined in how to handle player to player interactions and know how to manipulate people.
It's also not unlikely that those at the top will lose rank when the become ineligible for their current slot, so there would probably be ways to dislodge someone by force. I'm winning to give their vision a shot, I just think that they need to serious consider what "eligible" means. Someone should NOT be able to be top rank just because their buddies can vote them up, there needs to be an ongoing effort to stay at the top.
Thunderheart wrote:
Frohike wrote:
No offense TH, but they puts way too much power into other players' hands. Your setting up a greifing system. A popularity contest.
Its nice and all in a perfect world, and yes...it would be nice to go with continuity on this one. But this won't work. You put too much trust and faith in other people.
If this is implemented. You MIGHT see alot of Jedi goto the darkside.
It certainly is a challenge to institute something like that and your point was actually Shug's biggest sticking point as well. Even still, its a difficult thing to look forward and see with clarity. The thing is that the Force Ranking is going to be a lot more challenging than it seems in terms of time. Holding a slot for a long period of time is going to be a challenge for sure...
well one thing i would like to bring up about light jedi is that a populatiy vote to rise in rank PERFECTLY portrays the greed and arrogance of the light jedi. it perfectly models the essence of the old republic and what drove vader away from kenobi. if its implemented like that it will be one of the few systems that NAILS PERFECTLY the essence of the old jedi republic.
on the other hand duels between dark jedi testing themsleves in fights against other dark jedi is how the ranks are defined in the movies only ONE head of the dark jedi at a time.
these two systems as described are pretty much how the jedi are over all. the choice is to become either a petty behind the scenes schemer that only cares about personal power light jedi. or an out in the open if you disagree with me you get force choked dark jedi that only cares about personal power.
i think the voting and dueling systems are graceful solutions to get jedi acting like jedi of whichever side they belong to. if you look at the movies the only jedi that arent self centered are the newbie jedi like luke and the other trainee jedi from the other movies. the high ranking jedi both light and dark only care about their organizations and personal influence and power be they light or dark there is little real difference between them.
TH....first of all welcome back from E3...the JTL looks awesome!
Anyway I am also writing about the vote system..it is obvious that the community doesn't really like it... I really want to be a light jedi not a dark one...but I don't know...This is a system that will benefit regulars, a close community of players and not the majority. It is a smart design idea but I think that it will fail...maybe we should discuss it more...maybe you should focus more (in devevelopment thread) and reconsider or persuade us!!
Keep up the good work,
Manogr
Well, that's the point, isn't it? Lure of the dark side is SUPPOSED to be strong, and only most dedicated and strong-willed can be light jedies
Frohike wrote:
No offense TH, but they puts way too much power into other players' hands. Your setting up a greifing system. A popularity contest.
Its nice and all in a perfect world, and yes...it would be nice to go with continuity on this one. But this won't work. You put too much trust and faith in other people.
If this is implemented. You MIGHT see alot of Jedi goto the darkside.
bissli77 wrote:
rma-6edn- wrote:
TH, will i be able to develop my Light Jedi to its fullest potential, with or without the voting of chair in the council?
Is my Jedis full potential accessable, if there is coruption in the council. OR even if the council is not corrupt, i am simply never voted for posision?
other then a title, or is the title correspondent to certain abilities (full potential)
You will be able to develop your Jedi to its fullest PvE potential. The Light Side voting and Dark Side combat is strictly a PvP mechanic...
Think of the way councils work more as competition ladder.
eastmaster wrote:
basically the first
jedi, however many sit on the council, will hold the council position indefinately. it will be who knows the most people...not necassarily the most deserving or most dedicated as in the films.
This is something I'm sure we will tweak on Test Center as well, so we can get the best results.
Thunderheart wrote:
bissli77 wrote:
rma-6edn- wrote:
TH, will i be able to develop my Light Jedi to its fullest potential, with or without the voting of chair in the council?
Is my Jedis full potential accessable, if there is coruption in the council. OR even if the council is not corrupt, i am simply never voted for posision?
other then a title, or is the title correspondent to certain abilities (full potential)
You will be able to develop your Jedi to its fullest PvE potential. The Light Side voting and Dark Side combat is strictly a PvP mechanic...
Think of the way councils work more as competition ladder.
Doesn't sound very Light Side to me
Thunderheart wrote:
You may get to the top and hold it for a bit, but there will always be many who want to knock you down
It is obvious that the community is not ready for the voting system...We are not ready for the voting system...
TH I am really curious if you consider changing this system as you did to the droid and other changes...or is it set in stone ?
Keep up the good work,
Manogr