Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Jedi Feedback: Jedi Conversion Process
dannyny22
Thu Jun 17, 2004 4:25 am
#40
CAN WE SAY............... "IN TESTING"
THERES A FORUM FOR THAT YOU KNOW......
Derp
Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:39 am
#41
Hey this is whacked, I only posted once to this thread (Jedi Feedback: Jedi Conversion Process), posted the same post to a couple other threads, now I come back to find somehow I spammed 2 additional copies on this thread
Kinda looks like this may have happned to someone else on this same thread as well. Much as I'm sure no one will believe me (cause I wouldnt), I'm not a moron, I did not post the same thing 3 times to this thread.
Kinda looks like this may have happned to someone else on this same thread as well. Much as I'm sure no one will believe me (cause I wouldnt), I'm not a moron, I did not post the same thing 3 times to this thread.
Sorulis
Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:49 am
#42
This is interesting. Your gaining million or more exp on the conversion yet your still upset?
What did you expect?
I remember a few weeks ago people going "Guardian 4444 get 25% exp bonus on conversion! GIVE US THE SAME" Guess what.. You did. Now your unhappy with it.
Lots thought the box to box conversion was unfair also, they changed it to a exp conversion. Your even more upset now.
Face it, you won't be happy until you can get every single power/skill you had in the old system in the new. But its not going to happen.
I don't mean to sound like an ass, there are things I dont like about hte revamp too. BUT lets face it. There are 5 days until revamp hits live. They arent going to change the conversion process. This was a test run of the process, most likely if there weren't any hiccups this is how its going live.
What did you expect?
I remember a few weeks ago people going "Guardian 4444 get 25% exp bonus on conversion! GIVE US THE SAME" Guess what.. You did. Now your unhappy with it.
Lots thought the box to box conversion was unfair also, they changed it to a exp conversion. Your even more upset now.
Face it, you won't be happy until you can get every single power/skill you had in the old system in the new. But its not going to happen.
I don't mean to sound like an ass, there are things I dont like about hte revamp too. BUT lets face it. There are 5 days until revamp hits live. They arent going to change the conversion process. This was a test run of the process, most likely if there weren't any hiccups this is how its going live.
Sorulis
Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:06 am
#43
Nind wrote:I belive that current Jedi Initiates -> Padawan should get the 6 Force Sencitive skill boxes for free to atleast throw us a bone..That would make a 4-3-3-3 Initiate to be able to get 14 skillboxes...I would consider that fair as the current Padawan tree is the toughest tree to grind trugh...Just my 2 cents...
As far as we know the FS boxes are FREE from conversion to EVERYBODY. They still do cost Skillpoints out of your 250
Nind
Thu Jun 17, 2004 6:12 am
#44
Sorulis wrote:
Nind wrote:
I belive that current Jedi Initiates -> Padawan should get the 6 Force Sencitive skill boxes for free to atleast throw us a bone..
That would make a 4-3-3-3 Initiate to be able to get 14 skillboxes...
I would consider that fair as the current Padawan tree is the toughest tree to grind trugh...
Just my 2 cents...
As far as we know the FS boxes are FREE from conversion to EVERYBODY. They still do cost Skillpoints out of your 250
True, but if im not totaly missinformed they do cost jedi xp.. the most logic thing would be... if you have 14 skill boxes in the old system... you should get 14 skillboxes in the new system + the saved up xp that you have.
From 14 skillboxes down to 7 is not that fair and nice..
HoTron-rex
Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:11 am
#45
TheLateAnakinSolo wrote:
I'll repost again, so you can see it. Please read it, and note it. You can't ignore hard numbers.
Padawan boxes (at 40k an hour average)
1 hour for the lightsaber boxes.
35 hours for the healing tree.
35 hours for the force tree.
35 hours for the man tree.
38 hours for the padawan box.
Total Hours: 144 (at 3 hours a day, 48 days)(at 6 hours a day, 24 days)
KnightBoxes (at 133k an hour)
24 hours for the novice box.
2 hours lightsaber tree.
22 hours for healing
22 hours for force
22 hours for man
24 hours for master box
Total Hours: 116 (at 3 hours a day, 39 days)(at 6 hours a day, 20 days)(28 hour difference)
Guardian boxes(at200k an hour)
2 hours for the lightsaber boxes.
15 hours for the healing line
15 hours for the force line.
15 hours for the man line
(master box at 3.2 mil if fixed)
16 hours.
Total Hours: 63 hours (at 3 hours a day, 21 days)(at 6 hours a day, 11 days)(53 hour difference)
Total Hours for Jedi: 323 (at 3 hours a day, 108 days)(at 6 hours a day, 54 days)
% for each.
Padawan = 45% of all hours.
Knight = 36% of all hours. (9% difference)
Guardian = 19% of all hours. (17% difference)
!!!NOTE THIS!!!
Conversion Rate:
Padawan Boxes (45% of old * 250)
112 Skill Points.
Apprentice Boxes (36% of old * 250)
90 Skill Points.
Guardian Boxes (19% of old * 250)
48 Skill Points.
EASY WAY TO EVEN OUT SKILL POINTS!
THIS would be a regular TIME vs. SKILL conversion
Note: Tree is in skill point numbers.
Padawan boxes.
--------12---------
1-9-9-9
1-7-7-7
1-5-5-5
1-3-3-3
--------24---------
Knight boxes
--------19---------
1-7-7-7
1-5-5-5
1-3-3-3
1-1-1-1
--------19----------
Master boxes
---------0-----------
1-5-5-5
1-3-3-3
1-1-1-1
1-1-1-1
---------14------------
Used all skill points, and everything works out for the "total hours put in"
I'll keep telling you that you've got it wrong, until you change the skill point conversion from that of above.
I couldnt agree more with all those numbers. heres another thing for people to think about....
Exp requirements in the old system for an initiate are:
X - 800k - 800k - 800k
X - 400k - 400k - 400k
X - 200k - 200k - 200k
X - 40k - 40k - 40k
but the skillpoints in the new system (regardless of the tree you're investing in) are:
2 - 2 - 2 - 2
4 - 4 - 4 - 4
6 - 6 - 6 - 6
8 - 8 - 8 - 8
forget all the time invested in the initiate tree which as the quoted poster accurately stated is about 45% of all hours to master, that conversion system is BACKWARDS. jebus am i the only one that can see when something is upsideown? the conversion system is seeminly giving credit based on boxes earned and then flipping it around with ability to get new boxes. I recognize the impotice for having the skillboxes the costs they are cause it keeps people from being able to go crazy with cookiee cutter builds but something needs to be done about the conversion process. cause under the new system exp does NOT relate to sp the way it did under the old. its upsideown, initiates are getting shafted, whose surprised?
TH, please read what the above quoted poster wrote, its 100% accurate and an excellent representation of what really goes on in live. furthermore its chalk full of good numbers and details with suggestions based on what you should do. for the love of God listen to him.
Myonax
Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:27 am
#46
TheLateAnakinSolo wrote:
I'll repost again, so you can see it. Please read it, and note it. You can't ignore hard numbers.
Padawan boxes (at 40k an hour average)
1 hour for the lightsaber boxes.
35 hours for the healing tree.
35 hours for the force tree.
35 hours for the man tree.
38 hours for the padawan box.
Total Hours: 144 (at 3 hours a day, 48 days)(at 6 hours a day, 24 days)
KnightBoxes (at 133k an hour)
24 hours for the novice box.
2 hours lightsaber tree.
22 hours for healing
22 hours for force
22 hours for man
24 hours for master box
Total Hours: 116 (at 3 hours a day, 39 days)(at 6 hours a day, 20 days)(28 hour difference)
Guardian boxes(at200k an hour)
2 hours for the lightsaber boxes.
15 hours for the healing line
15 hours for the force line.
15 hours for the man line
(master box at 3.2 mil if fixed)
16 hours.
Total Hours: 63 hours (at 3 hours a day, 21 days)(at 6 hours a day, 11 days)(53 hour difference)
Total Hours for Jedi: 323 (at 3 hours a day, 108 days)(at 6 hours a day, 54 days)
% for each.
Padawan = 45% of all hours.
Knight = 36% of all hours. (9% difference)
Guardian = 19% of all hours. (17% difference)
!!!NOTE THIS!!!
Conversion Rate:
Padawan Boxes (45% of old * 250)
112 Skill Points.
Apprentice Boxes (36% of old * 250)
90 Skill Points.
Guardian Boxes (19% of old * 250)
48 Skill Points.
I Agreed with this for most part, but you forgot to subtract 24 points for Force sensative lines.
So Padawan = 224 *45% = 101
Appr = 224 * 36% = 80
Guradian = 45.
oiraona
Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:39 am
#47
Stupidfly wrote:
Wongsiufu wrote:
This is TC3 testing. My skill is Initiate 4334, and I got 45 Jedi skill points. But I can only train up to lightsaber 0042 (42 points), and the remaining 3 skill points is lost. If I choose 0141 or 0033, I will end up losing more xp.
You cannot equip your backpack when wearing Jedi robe. So you need to free up space to unequip your backpack. You can still equip a beltand a ring though. Also you can use a PSG instead of the belt.
So you got 3,680,000 XP for your 2,720,000 XP.
That's not bad at all unless you miss all the great skills you lost.
So your saying, that the grinding he did for months at low jedi is worth that? Your not looking at it correctly.
He ground those boxes with a low jedi skill cap, the most he got per kill was 400-425 points. He deserves more.
It takes months to fill the first tree, and less than a third of that time to fill the next two in the current system.
Conversion NEEDS to be based on that fact.
NemsisJedi
Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:58 am
#48
How did the Jedi Conversion go when you logged in?
Answer: After logging in i got the box which allow me to choose my skill's.
What was the easiest part of the process? The most difficult?
Answer: Difficult part of Conversion is appearing Conversion interface, still unclear how many of choosen skills i can roll back by "Revoke Last Chosen skill button"
What was the most intuitive part of the process? Which was the most difficult?
Answer: !Still uncler how many points in new system i will have, why i got what i got. And how my current effort will be transfered!
Grimhand
Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:15 am
#49
Wongsiufu wrote:This is TC3 testing. My skill is Initiate 4334, and I got 45 Jedi skill points. But I can only train up to lightsaber 0042 (42 points), and the remaining 3 skill points is lost. If I choose 0141 or 0033, I will end up losing more xp.You cannot equip your backpack when wearing Jedi robe. So you need to free up space to unequip your backpack. You can still equip a beltand a ring though. Also you can use a PSG instead of the belt.
Thunderheart, why would anyone design a conversion process that can generate an ODD number of skills points and convert into a system that only holds EVEN number combinations?
Well?
HoTron-rex
Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:19 am
#50
Grimhand wrote:
Thunderheart, why would anyone design a conversion process that can generate an ODD number of skills points and convert into a system that only holds EVEN number combinations?Well?
Good point...
Grimhand
Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:21 am
#51
Grimhand wrote:
Wongsiufu wrote:This is TC3 testing. My skill is Initiate 4334, and I got 45 Jedi skill points. But I can only train up to lightsaber 0042 (42 points), and the remaining 3 skill points is lost. If I choose 0141 or 0033, I will end up losing more xp.You cannot equip your backpack when wearing Jedi robe. So you need to free up space to unequip your backpack. You can still equip a beltand a ring though. Also you can use a PSG instead of the belt.
Thunderheart, why would anyone design a conversion process that can generate an ODD number of skills points and convert into a system that only holds EVEN number combinations?Well?
My bad, there are ODD number combinations in the new skill tree. Nonetheless, you should consider that that a conversion to an ODD number of skill points below 88 will also result in a wasted skill point.
Chut
Thu Jun 17, 2004 8:28 am
#52
Derp:
I was either 4444 or 4344 inititiate. I also had 160K xp stored up. I'm pretty sure it was 4444 inititiate.