Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Friday Feature Pt 2 May 7th 2004 Jedi Archives Volume II
Thunderheart wrote:
Frohike wrote:
No offense TH, but they puts way too much power into other players' hands. Your setting up a greifing system. A popularity contest.
Its nice and all in a perfect world, and yes...it would be nice to go with continuity on this one. But this won't work. You put too much trust and faith in other people.
If this is implemented. You MIGHT see alot of Jedi goto the darkside.
It certainly is a challenge to institute something like that and your point was actually Shug's biggest sticking point as well. Even still, its a difficult thing to look forward and see with clarity. The thing is that the Force Ranking is going to be a lot more challenging than it seems in terms of time. Holding a slot for a long period of time is going to be a challenge for sure...
this is probably itteration but anyway
basically the first <X> jedi, however many sit on the council, will hold the council position indefinately. it will be who knows the most people...not necassarily the most deserving or most dedicated as in the films.
TH first off I would love to see a comment on the basic system I proposed. Feel free to tear it apart I am more interested in the feedback than whether it is all roses and wonderful comments. Last post on page 18.
With regards to voting....I think that while some are willing to try it even you TH has to agree that there is a great risk for failure. Now you could simply then do "something" else which normally I would trust you guys to do but in this case it has nothing to do with trust. It has to do with the tight schedule that we keep hearing about (which I am sure is more than true) and how something could be fit in. The only thing that makes sense is to port over the dark jedi code but then you are having light jedi kill each other. That is not acceptable either.
I think the core worries (over the whole thread) in no particular order have been:
1.) Even Jedi dont want a thousand Jedi running around.
2.) How good are the robes going to be.
3.) Saber issues (both decay and damage).
4.) The light side voting idea.
Now not to put my own system on a pedastal but it solves a fair amount of the above issues. Providing the Jedi their own war (and a reason for hiding) keeps them out of the mainstream game. You have a built in way of doing this by the fact the Jedi get a second character they can use in the GCW and the mainstream game. The lesser impact on the mainstream game will make many players happy and allow you to remove Jedi from the balance equation to an extent as encounters between normal players and Jedi will be lessened (and hopefully heavily discouraged with regards to the Jedi). This fixes issue 1 WITHOUT restricting anyone. What is the best way to hide a 1000 Jedi per server whenyou cannot physically restrict or constrain them? Make them want to hide. By the way constant overt to everyone doesnt do that.
Now since you can remove the Jedi from the balance to an extent you can also balance Jedi themselves (to an extent) to each other. This could have quite an impact on both Issues 2 and 3.
With regards to Issue 4 you must make the dark path easier. They should get Jedi XP from killing both light and dark jedi. They should be able to garner quest xp from more places (like both the Hutt and the Imperial Corvette missions while the light jedi are restricted to just the Rebel mission). Rankings should be kept based on statistical data for each faction and against the factions themselves. So you know which side is winning and within each side who is "ranked" higher. If the lightside is winning eveyrone gets moderate bonuses....if the darkside is winning the upper 50% get great bonuses (higher then the lightside bonuses).
This creates a lightside who due to a harder path should be smaller but will have to work together a bit more to succeed (which kinda makes the smaller numbers an advantage) but also a darkside that alluring but highly competitive. The bonuses should also be slanted to help in PVP versus other Jedi that way players who dont want to PVP and gain rank or are more casual really are not punished.
So we end up with a powerful class that is hiding and fighting its own war that exists within the game but doesnt adversely affect the normal players gaming experience no matter their preferred style.
Thoughts?
If everyone is so worried about voting, then why don't they just go Dark Side and duke it out?
Some mayhave to leave your guild or convince your guild to switch sides but you don't have to deal with the democratic process then correct?
Or you could always just not join the Ranks. To make the system work it sounds like there will be a pretty steep PvP xp requirement and lets face it, not every Jedi can handle PvP. Allone has to do to prove this is look at all the complaints about armor, defense, omg a fencer beat me, yadda yadda yadda.
klawlegna wrote:
Keldarin wrote:
Upon completing the Dark Jedi Knight trials they will be required to be Overt Imperial and upon completing the Light Jedi Knight trials they will be required to be Overt Rebel.
I hope the BH terminal text will reflectbetter. Nothing worse than reading a mission description on the terminals that says the Empire seeks to kill John Doe Dark Jedi when he's on the terminals for killing rebels FOR the Empire.
CONTINUITY ALERT!
Dark "Jedi" were hunted also. Ol' Palp could not trust them ether.
*sigh*
Am I incorrect in thinking that the voting system only comes into play when there is a tie in PvP
ladder rankings for the light side?
That's how I read it.
Also who gets to vote? Only knights? Or any factioned FS?
I'd really hate to be forced to the Dark Side if the Light side is only based on voting. If thats
howit is, thats a horrible idea.
I don't have a problem with all with a vote to break PvP ties in ranking however. Or even X votes to get to the next "level"
I'd also like to mention some interesting facts...
Server wide there are over 1k Jedi now.
Server wide there are about 200 Rangers. (yes, we CAN prove this)
What is wrong with this picture?
Thunderheart wrote:
No, it does not work that way. The way it works is when a Light Jedi is eligible for going up in Force Ranking, its a vote. The other Light Jedi have to all vote on whether or not the Jedi in question moves up in rank.If you win the vote, you move up. If you don't, you dont. Not unlike the movies really.
In the movie, people are mature and grown up. plus they followthe script written by someone.
In real life this can not work because there are tons of anti-social weirdos playing this game and they have any script to follow.... they're free to do as they please.
What if thejedi council ask the poor light jedi to give 10 mil credit to each member in order to level up ?
What if this Jedi council askfor something they shouldn'task ? like credit card number, your name, your sister's phone number ? But seriously what if they ask light jedi to give or give upsomething in return ?
What if one of the Jedi in that council is somebody that hates you because you're main is an Armorsmith and his/her main is an Armorsmith and they both fought over pricing in the past ?
What if one of the jedi council hate you because he just hate everybody ?
Who is going to control this ?
I'm sure this idea comes from Lucas Arts but it can not work. You just have to look at all the kill stealers guild, scammersand greifers.
I say no vote. or voted by NPC server side. not by immature players.
Very true Archfirehaven, very true, maybe we can brainstrom some new ideas then... the board is still wide open for ANY ideas reguarding this.
- Seph
Thunderheart wrote:
Frohike wrote:
No offense TH, but they puts way too much power into other players' hands. Your setting up a greifing system. A popularity contest.
Its nice and all in a perfect world, and yes...it would be nice to go with continuity on this one. But this won't work. You put too much trust and faith in other people.
If this is implemented. You MIGHT see alot of Jedi goto the darkside.
It certainly is a challenge to institute something like that and your point was actually Shug's biggest sticking point as well. Even still, its a difficult thing to look forward and see with clarity. The thing is that the Force Ranking is going to be a lot more challenging than it seems in terms of time. Holding a slot for a long period of time is going to be a challenge for sure...
Is the dark side more powerfull? Quicker, more seductive.. but not more powerfull
Think I heard that somewhere. Anakin found his rankings were going along too slowly, even though he had more abilities then the rest they still kept him as padawan. He went to the darkside and become a sith lord. There is RPG in this MMO and I think this is great... they couldnt have done it better.
