Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Publish 10 ... holocredit for unlockers.
atrhick24
Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:26 am
#469
stop ur stupidness little boy, u should get Credit for doing any pro and eaven more for ones u did after ur 5th holo dont be a buttt head..
p.s DEV plz tell me were i will be startig from in pub 10 its the 30.08.04 and pub 10 gos live on 31.08.04 stop with ur messinf around and talk to us i pay ur bills all i am asking for is an answer to something i deserve to know!!!!
TorqueSilver
Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:30 am
#470
LaelaasSD wrote:I just have to laugh at all the "Grinders" who have done 20+ proffs and still haven't unlocked are now complaining that the "Holo-profs" should't be "Worth" more than the non holo profs...simple answer as to why they ARE worth more...THEY ARE THE RIGHT PROFFS...and as such..are worth more.2+2=4...no matter how much you whine complain and moan about it...2+2 will always Equal 44 holo's + the RIGHT profession = Jedi...not even Jedi...it opened your FSCS...wich allowed you to get to JediYou did the WRONG professions.....DEAL WITH IT.If you take a test in school....and you answer 9 out of 10 questions wrong....YOU FAIL....you don't get rewarded...Do Not Pass Go....Do not collect $200....No Jedi....Quit Whining...and Deali don't care how much credit i get...i have FUN playing this GAME....i've done my 4/5 holo's....been playing since July 03 done 2 proffs after holo's....
I was just gonna zero star your post, but u can't, so i figured i would reply. Just to shoot down your poor logic, if you take a test in school and get 9 out of 10 wrong, you fail, this is correct. However, in school, you are given the answers to the test before you actually write it. so if you get 9 out of 10 wrong, either you did not study, or you are just dumb. In this game, we were not given the answers, and we had to guess in order to get what we pay for. So, how is it possible to get the answers right if you don't know the answers? You have to guess, .... sounds like good logic to me, unfortunately, someone with low intelligence would not see that logic. Thank you for demonstrating that you can at least add 2 and 2, now get out there and study for your test =).
CWEGuru
Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:52 am
#471
SirLithium wrote:
CWEGuru wrote:
Me and a friend went to TC2 since it is a copy of Bria live. This is what we found:
- Under the old system I did all my holos up to the silent 1 then did 10 or 12 more professions. My credit was 5 FS trees. I did 20 professions in total.
- My friend got Merchant as his first holo didn't do it but did 23 other professions. He got NO credit.
Is this how it is supposed to work? My friend is going to quit after he confirms this on Tuesday.
He wasn't expecting much but thought he would get at least some credit for 23 professions.
I realize that you said your friend didn't get any credit, but did he at least get to Aurilia to determine that fact? Since you said you got 5 trees, then you certainly made it to Aurilia.... I'm trying to get a better picture of this, because Frankin (above) has a very good point: Mastering 23 profs and getting no holo credit means that his remaining 9 unmastered professions must include either 5 or 6 holo profs (depending on the theory-du-jour)... which is a terrible tragic ratio. What professions did he have left to master? Where they all hybrids?
Yes we both went to the village. I had an option when talking to Paemos (not sure if that is the right name) to get 5 FS trees unlocked and filled out. My friend had no option to get anything.
We mastered all the combat professions (except smuggler and BH), Medic, Doctor, CM, and the easier crafting professions as well as entertainer and the scouting professions. My friend went on to master some of the harder crafting professions like AS and WS.
We were not trying to trick the system or anything. We saw this posted inthe Jedi Archives Volume 2 "Credit will be given to players for the professions they have mastered, and that credit is the ability to rapidly advance through the Force sensitivity path." So we decided to get as many professions as we could before pub 9 was released. We stopped doing professions after pub 9 was released and felt safe in our assumptions that we would be at least half way to Jedi since we did over half the professions. My friend could have done Merchant but he would have missed 3 or 4 more professions and we wanted as many as possible. We were following a plan where you master the starting profession and go on to the elite professions from there (e.g. Master Marksman then use it's bonuses to master all the ranged professions)
I was just lucky after mastering Ranger my first holo my second holo was silent. It is my theory that my friend doesn't get credit for any other holo professions cause he didn't do his first holo but I'm not sure.
We just wanted as many professions as possible cause we thought we would get credit for all mastered professions as the Jedi Archives Volume 2 stated.
tsconver
Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:18 am
#472
tsconver wrote:
I do not post to these cause they seem pretty pointless usually. I just have one question. Two days from going live how in the hell can they not know how toons with holo finished but no unlock are going to be rewarded. This is stupid.
Two days from going live, and all that's posted here are complaints and player speculation. The devs have a very clear idea of what they're doing with hologrinder credit and they have asked the Player community to comment on their findings. There have been NO clear, official announcements regarding the level of credit given, because the path to The Force is a mystery, as it should be. This is a very sensitive issue, because it is VERY difficult to test something when you don't know the exact behavior you are trying to test.
The "they" that you refer to are the Players in the Testing Community. Many have offered detailed information, bug reports, and even some theories. However, the majority of this thread is riddled with whining, complaints, and threats of account termination because "things aren't fair". The saddest part of the whole ordeal is that all these pointless complaints and empty threats make the job of Quality Control nearly impossible.
My advice is to wait until Tuesday, log in, type /checkforcestatus, and come back to this thread if you have questions. If you're NOT Force Sensitive yet, take a deep breath, and hit a few POIs. So far, a VERY small percentage of the population has tested this system, and there are bound to be bugs. If something isn't how you expected it to be... be SURE that your expectations are inline with official announcements, and NOT player speculation. Report the issue using /bug on the Live server you play on, and move on.
Most of all, enjoy the game.
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My only point is that it would seem logical to just tell us what credit we will get. They are upsetting alot of people with the cloak and dagger stuff. I did play on TC2 and liked the quests they seem fun and somewhat fresh.
I have been playing almost 9 months now and my toon has 100 badges and 11 holos, well into my silents as i used holos to get my first 5 profs. I am sure I will get a visit from the little man on Tuesday, if I don't I will be dissapointed. Unfortunately my most developed toon is on Gorath so I never got to test it on TC2 to see what I might expect and I have done no holos with any of my other 3 toons are even been conecerned about alot of badges. My MBH is just a fun toon to play and hope combat rebalance makes him fun again and my other two toonsa re less than a month old.
So I really just want a little insight into what to expect. The mystery is already gone since I did play on TC2 and saw some of the quests and the city.
I do not think this is unreasonable and to be honest I am not sure that I even want a jedi but knowing if it is going to be another 3 months of grinding would help make up my mind.
My 2 credits worth.
tsconver
Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:26 am
#473
LaelaasSD wrote:
I just have to laugh at all the "Grinders" who have done 20+ proffs and still haven't unlocked are now complaining that the "Holo-profs" should't be "Worth" more than the non holo profs...
simple answer as to why they ARE worth more...
THEY ARE THE RIGHT PROFFS...and as such..are worth more.
2+2=4...no matter how much you whine complain and moan about it...2+2 will always Equal 4
4 holo's + the RIGHT profession = Jedi...not even Jedi...it opened your FSCS...wich allowed you to get to Jedi
You did the WRONG professions.....DEAL WITH IT.
If you take a test in school....and you answer 9 out of 10 questions wrong....YOU FAIL....you don't get rewarded...Do Not Pass Go....Do not collect $200....No Jedi....Quit Whining...and Deal
i don't care how much credit i get...i have FUN playing this GAME....i've done my 4/5 holo's....been playing since July 03 done 2 proffs after holo's....
I was just gonna zero star your post, but u can't, so i figured i would reply. Just to shoot down your poor logic, if you take a test in school and get 9 out of 10 wrong, you fail, this is correct. However, in school, you are given the answers to the test before you actually write it. so if you get 9 out of 10 wrong, either you did not study, or you are just dumb. In this game, we were not given the answers, and we had to guess in order to get what we pay for. So, how is it possible to get the answers right if you don't know the answers? You have to guess, .... sounds like good logic to me, unfortunately, someone with low intelligence would not see that logic. Thank you for demonstrating that you can at least add 2 and 2, now get out there and study for your test =).
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Not sure what school you went to but I was never given the answers to the tests prior to the test. We had to figure out what was important and was was garbage and hoped we study the correct material. Maybe in first grade my teacher said 2+2=4 and you need this for the test but not since and I have a graduate degree in chemistry so I have taken a lot of tests. Everyone has know for months that holos tell you what profs to do, if youwanted a jedi why would you not use them till they went silent. If you choose to ingore the holo system and just ground profs then that was your risk. Those that just ground rolled the dice and some will lose. Get over it.
TorqueSilver
Mon Aug 30, 2004 6:48 am
#474
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Not sure what school you went to but I was never given the answers to the tests prior to the test. We had to figure out what was important and was was garbage and hoped we study the correct material. Maybe in first grade my teacher said 2+2=4 and you need this for the test but not since and I have a graduate degree in chemistry so I have taken a lot of tests. Everyone has know for months that holos tell you what profs to do, if youwanted a jedi why would you not use them till they went silent. If you choose to ingore the holo system and just ground profs then that was your risk. Those that just ground rolled the dice and some will lose. Get over it.
It always cracks me up, that ppl use the word kid as an insult. I also went to university, and private college, plus i have a lifetime of experience you cannot learn in school. I followed the holo system, your assumption is incorrect. When the holos went silent, i had no choice to guess at profs. Do you realize, some ppl unlocked in 5 to 10 profs, while many ppl had to go all the way to 32, just to get the second slot. Obviously this is an unfair system for ppl who all pay the same price. Also, the point about school is still valid, for example, when you are in school, the final exam or any test for that matter, only contain material you have covered in the semester, so therefore, you have all the answers before the test, you just don't know what material will be tested. The holo system only gives you part of the material you need to cover, you have to guess the rest from the available answers. Imagine writing a test in which you only knew one quarter of the material, because that is all the info the instructors gave out. Oh, and by the way, did you even read the post that i quoted?
tsconver
Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:22 am
#475
It always cracks me up, that ppl use the word kid as an insult. I also went to university, and private college, plus i have a lifetime of experience you cannot learn in school. I followed the holo system, your assumption is incorrect. When the holos went silent, i had no choice to guess at profs. Do you realize, some ppl unlocked in 5 to 10 profs, while many ppl had to go all the way to 32, just to get the second slot. Obviously this is an unfair system for ppl who all pay the same price. Also, the point about school is still valid, for example, when you are in school, the final exam or any test for that matter, only contain material you have covered in the semester, so therefore, you have all the answers before the test, you just don't know what material will be tested. The holo system only gives you part of the material you need to cover, you have to guess the rest from the available answers. Imagine writing a test in which you only knew one quarter of the material, because that is all the info the instructors gave out. Oh, and by the way, did you even read the post that i quoted?
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I too have the experience, been in the real world over 11 years and manage a group of scientists and I was not trying to offend anyone, sorry if I did. If people choose to grind professions without at least doing the 4 or 5 holos first then they made that choice. To me that seems crazy. Why would you chance doing 20 profs hoping for creditknowing you had missed the first one for your path???
As far as tests, I have had instructors in college in higher level copurse say the test is open book and anything is fair game covered or not so you have to be somewhat logical and use the tools you have. In our case it was the holos.
tsconver
Mon Aug 30, 2004 8:28 am
#476
It always cracks me up, that ppl use the word kid as an insult. I also went to university, and private college, plus i have a lifetime of experience you cannot learn in school. I followed the holo system, your assumption is incorrect. When the holos went silent, i had no choice to guess at profs. Do you realize, some ppl unlocked in 5 to 10 profs, while many ppl had to go all the way to 32, just to get the second slot. Obviously this is an unfair system for ppl who all pay the same price. Also, the point about school is still valid, for example, when you are in school, the final exam or any test for that matter, only contain material you have covered in the semester, so therefore, you have all the answers before the test, you just don't know what material will be tested. The holo system only gives you part of the material you need to cover, you have to guess the rest from the available answers. Imagine writing a test in which you only knew one quarter of the material, because that is all the info the instructors gave out. Oh, and by the way, did you even read the post that i quoted?
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Sorry forgot to say that I fully support giving credit for both holo profs and any additional profs after your holo went silent. But if you choose to ignore the holos and skipped a prof you knew was a holo prof then you are just ______, well I will let everyone fill in the blank. For instance I know I will not get credit for any of my profs on my MBH, his first holo was something crazy i did not want to do and said the hell with it so if I get no credit for the other 5 or 6 profs he mastered oh well my fault and I am not going to cry about it..
tsconver
Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:15 am
#477
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Sorry forgot to say that I fully support giving credit for both holo profs and any additional profs after your holo went silent. But if you choose to ignore the holos and skipped a prof you knew was a holo prof then you are just ______, well I will let everyone fill in the blank. For instance I know I will not get credit for any of my profs on my MBH, his first holo was something crazy i did not want to do and said the hell with it so if I get no credit for the other 5 or 6 profs he mastered oh well my fault and I am not going to cry about it..
Ok, i am not trying to start an arguement here. Why do you keep referring to someone ignoring holos? I have done what my holos told me, until they went silent, then i have to guess at profs. This is why you confused me in the first reply. You interjected with another point, and my point had nothing to do with someone not using, or ignoring holos.
This is just my opinion on the matter, anyone who unlocked post pub 9, should get second slot and FS main. Anyone who did not unlock should get second slot, and credit towards FS on main. I'm sure many will disagree, but i believe everyone deserves the second slot, and FS should be something you work towards.
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I guess I am confused too. I thought your original reply was to the guy saying holo profs and just grinding should not be the same and you seemed to imply that profs are profs and if you do 12 you get credit for 12 just the same as someone who did 5 holo guided profs followed by 7 silent profs. Which is where i disagree.
Zsenyka
Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:16 am
#478
"This is just my opinion on the matter, anyone who unlocked post pub 9, should get second slot and FS main."
I can agree with that to a certain point because if people will be 'forced' 
to make their main char a Jedi in order to get the second slotwould only ruin their gamepley. I shall tell you why: i'm sure not i'm the only one who worked out a nice template to play with so by forcing us to ruin this template to gain the second slot and after that regrind the original template (either on the second slot or on the main - obviously on the second cause who wants to do the whole FS and Jedi stuff on the second char when you already have it on your main) wouldutterly beyond reason.
to make their main char a Jedi in order to get the second slotwould only ruin their gamepley. I shall tell you why: i'm sure not i'm the only one who worked out a nice template to play with so by forcing us to ruin this template to gain the second slot and after that regrind the original template (either on the second slot or on the main - obviously on the second cause who wants to do the whole FS and Jedi stuff on the second char when you already have it on your main) wouldutterly beyond reason.
tsconver
Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:18 am
#479
BTW sorry if I offended everyone, my original post was to just ask for the Devs to tell us what the deal is.
tsconver
Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:22 am
#480
"This is just my opinion on the matter, anyone who unlocked post pub 9, should get second slot and FS main."
I can agree with that to a certain point because if people will be 'forced' to make their main char a Jedi in order to get the second slotwould only ruin their gamepley. I shall tell you why: i'm sure not i'm the only one who worked out a nice template to play with so by forcing us to ruin this template to gain the second slot and after that regrind the original template (either on the second slot or on the main - obviously on the second cause who wants to do the whole FS and Jedi stuff on the second char when you already have it on your main) wouldutterly beyond reason.
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Personally I think you should have the choice of which one to use, I am not sure I will use my second slot and I think I will be able to keep my current template as a Jedi on my main slot. It is my understanding that you use your current skills to get FS slot xp and do not have to regrind new profs? Is this wrong. From what i played on TC2 it appears this way to me. If someone has more insight please elaborate.
Cypher073
Mon Aug 30, 2004 9:38 am
#481
Jediforcefighter wrote:If each mastered profession counts for at least 1 skill point, it should be fair, since they changed the mastery number unlock fs from 5 to 24 and there are 24 skills that must be completed to go to the padawan trials, it would make an even trade even for the players that mastered 31 professions and still didn't unlock the fs. But, did you say that the credit system is on the TC? If so, how will we be able to test it in only 4 days especially since pub 10 on it has already been out and you can't clone your char from a live server?
Where'd you get 24? I'll agree that they upped the number of required professions, that much is obvious, but to exactly 24?