Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Publish 10 ... holocredit for unlockers.
Dr_Nalio
Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:54 pm
#456
tsconver wrote:
I do not post to these cause they seem pretty pointless usually. I just have one question. Two days from going live how in the hell can they not know how toons with holo finished but no unlock are going to be rewarded. This is stupid.
I'm betting they already know what they're going to do. They're probably looking over the testing this weekend, and I imagine they'll announce something on Monday. I'd rather they take their time and put it in right then rush it and mess it up.
tsconver
Sun Aug 29, 2004 5:03 pm
#457
Hmmmm, why would you not do merchant if you knew it was your Holo? Does not make sense.
Jediforcefighter
Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:13 pm
#458
If each mastered profession counts for at least 1 skill point, it should be fair, since they changed the mastery numberunlockfsfrom 5 to 24 and there are 24skills that must be completed to go to the padawan trials, it would make an even trade even for the players that mastered 31 professions and still didn't unlock the fs. But, did you say that the credit system is on the TC? If so, how will we be able to test it in only4 days especially since pub 10 on it has already been out and you can't clone your char from a live server?
Gandalf_lima
Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:28 pm
#459
I entered the TC2 with my Chilastra character, I had done only 2 holo profs and read my 3rd holo but did not do it. I hated the grinding so I did not do any more profs. I had the badges for 4 professions, but before the master badges i had done 3, so in total were 7. I received 1 free branch.
Gandalf-lima
ArayaBE
Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:17 pm
#460
Rogue1970 wrote:
While I do not disagree that Hologrinders should be given some credit, this is a RPG game. Those of us who committed ourselves to the community and did not participate in the destructive hologrinding are once again being shafted becuase of the same Hologrinders.
The fact that MANY of the LEADERS of the communities and servers who STUCK BY the community to provide valuable services by perfecting their own professions seems utterly unfair.
I do hope you will consider the fact that many veterans who made the game better for others, supported the hologrinders with their services and actually built communities and content will also recieve some reward.
IAs an example, I have stuck by my Droid Engineer and Bio-Engineer professions for close to a year now, even though both are still wrought with unfixed bugs.
As a MDE the rewards I would expect never materialized in our revamp, even though we do have Skill Tapes available to make us better - they mean next to nothing since you never bothered to fix Experimentation to matter, nor did you give us any 'real' decay system. Yet the Comabt oriented Crafters get perks constantly, and rewards with Tapes that make them Uber.
As a MBE I assumed I would serve CHs, and maybe be rewarded with a way to Enhance my skills, yet we are the only profession WITHOUT any Skill Attachments.... I instead am forced to make Components for Chef and Tailors with the limited meat available in the game, competing against Doctors paying 100-200cpu for meat, limiting my ability to serve the customers I do have.
Now I see that because I did not abuse the flawed holo-grinding system, that hurt the game, I also will not be rewarded for my work and commitment. Instead I am handed more frustration and NOTHING for my work and contributions.
I plead with you to consider 'time-served' as a Master Crafter, when you finish off the FS credit system. We're not getting a Crafter Balance, I'm sure, becausewe aren't your precious combat professions, but we pay for the game too.
If being a committed Master and community member had no value in youe eyes, maybe you would at least consider a combat balance in the future.
For the record, I did not complete any Holo's, as I had no interest in Jedi, but now with the FS abilities, I would like to at least enjoy those. I'm sure I am not the only one who feels this way, yet many are not expressing this opinion due to the fact we know Crafters are second class citizens and accept that fact grudgingly.
I do aplaud the addition of Force Sensitivity, don't get me wrong. I just hope you consider that not all of us abused the system to Holo-grind - instead we kept the game going as it should be played.
Some sort of reward should be considered for 'Time Served'
In your summit coming up with the Correspondants, why don't you ask the Crafters their opinion of how we are treated....
WOW! Great post! I am in your exact situation! (even a Master BE) I do not want jedi, but after paying for an account for over a year, I deserve to have my 2nd character slot within reach...I deserve to have some "force" benefits if I choose to spend points there. I applaud you!
pluq
Sun Aug 29, 2004 10:30 pm
#461
heres my opinion: time served should not have any bearing on the new system whatsoever..heres why, when you started playing you decided either to not start or not finish the path to jedi, this is a choice, the fact that you have played for a year and a half and have not attempted to make a run for your 2nd slot means you have no dedication to the actual proffession, lets say youve played a year and have only gotten to 1001 BE, does this mean you deserve master? because you've been a BE for so long you obviously deserve to be a master? When i started the game i wanted to be a smuggler, in fact that was one of the selling points of the game for me, i started playing, played smuggler for about a month and decided i wanted more, i decided to pop open some holo's, i did BE, Rifle, Merchant, and SL as my holo's and when i did merchant i also did about 15 proffessions from start-finish of merchant, at times i quit grinding for a week or so cause it got boring but alas everytime i was back at the grind..ive played for 4 months and ground out 31 proffessions to get where im at, and had fun doing so.
those of you who think that holocron proffessions(ones holo says to do) are the more important and should be weighted more heavily then the rest, how is this so? these are proffessions you KNOW you ahve to do to get your slot, the ones that should be weighted heavily are the ones that werent your holo's, the ones you did out of blind faith with no guarantee..with the holos you had a guarantee of it helping your progression towards your jedi..
but this is just my opinion 
Rudy1986
Mon Aug 30, 2004 12:26 am
#462
If you didnt do your 4 holos, you should not get credit. You do your first 4 holos, and after that its silent. Doing the first 4 holos means you are trying to get jedi, and after the 4 holos you start the mindless mastering of professions (i did it). If you just master a bunch of stuff butdont doyour 4 holos, then you werent really trying to get jedi the way you're suposed to, you're just mastering professions. You should have done merchant, at least you would have known you were one correct prof closer to jedi. Heck, you may even have unlocked if you had done it. It pretty much boils down to you werent grinding for jedi since you didnt try to master your first holo (in SOE's eye's at least). I understand how you feel but even in the new system, you cant start the FS quests until you do the intro quest, and no matter how many sith you kill, it wont matter until you are visited by the old man.
NodozeHyde2
Mon Aug 30, 2004 12:43 am
#463
Jediknight2k1 wrote:
What about those who's 4 Holocron was silent ?
I did my 3 holocron professions and my 4th was my silent profession/s.
I should still get the same credit as someone who did 4 and their 5th silent.
absolutely bud, if your 4th was silent (as was mine) then that means you already mastered your 1st and didn't need a holo. You will get credit for the masters of your holo profs, not actually using the holo's themselves.
Frankin
Mon Aug 30, 2004 12:48 am
#464
It sound like he was trying to use the system against itself , an i have known people to do this . What they do is start by opening a holo , assume its something they didnt want to mess with right now , in this case merchant . Then they continue to master professions those that are easiest to grind , an every 4 or 5 masters they try another holo to see if it still says merchant or it went silent .
Reason is from my reading an understanding the was 6 holo professions if your char was created after a certain date an 5 befor that thus why some unlocked on 8-12 professions an the rest of us took 25+ . An the way they works was when you created your char you holos were chosen , if by some chance you accidentaly did a holo profession (specificialy one of the silents) it would rotate one of the 4 knowns into that silent spot . Because of some people realizeing this what they would do is randomly do the profession they could master the fastest leaving that first holo profession undone , thus when it finaly went silent they could in theroy master the one profession an be done . This to me seemed to be a bigger goose chase then looking for the silent to begin with but i know many who used this method .
I do in part beleive the theroy to be possibaly as i mastered doc cm an medic befor i started my holo grind an mine went silent after 3 holo professions , thus leadeing me to beleive that one of my prior professions was either a holo or a silent .
Now as far as credit earned i think those of us who did the grind but stoped at 9 cause the devs said that unlocking would not result in jedi originaly should get just as much credit for our holos as those that unlocked . By this i mean the unlock on the treee an the exp to get it as well , not all 6 of the trees , but one per the 6 holo professions mastered includeing silents .
Last note , for someone to have done 23 professions an not even stumbled across one of the holos seems a bit extreem , that or a very unlucky person as he would have only 3 other profession that wasnt holos . I kinda feel bad for this guy if its the case , but thats why they added holos so you would know 2/3 of the professions you needed an didnt end up like that .
SirLithium
Mon Aug 30, 2004 12:59 am
#465
CWEGuru wrote:Me and a friend went to TC2 since it is a copy of Bria live. This is what we found:
- Under the old system I did all my holos up to the silent 1 then did 10 or 12 more professions. My credit was 5 FS trees. I did 20 professions in total.
- My friend got Merchant as his first holo didn't do it but did 23 other professions. He got NO credit.
Is this how it is supposed to work? My friend is going to quit after he confirms this on Tuesday.
He wasn't expecting much but thought he would get at least some credit for 23 professions.
I realize that you said your friend didn't get any credit, but did he at least get to Aurilia to determine that fact? Since you said you got 5 trees, then you certainly made it to Aurilia.... I'm trying to get a better picture of this, because Frankin (above) has a very good point: Mastering 23 profs and getting no holo credit means that his remaining 9 unmastered professions must include either 5 or 6 holo profs (depending on the theory-du-jour)... which is a terrible tragic ratio. What professions did he have left to master? Where they all hybrids?
LaelaasSD
Mon Aug 30, 2004 3:42 am
#466
I just have to laugh at all the "Grinders" who have done 20+ proffs and still haven't unlocked are now complaining that the "Holo-profs" should't be "Worth" more than the non holo profs...
simple answer as to why they ARE worth more...
THEY ARE THE RIGHT PROFFS...and as such..are worth more.
2+2=4...no matter how much you whine complain and moan about it...2+2 will always Equal 4
4 holo's + the RIGHT profession = Jedi...not even Jedi...it opened your FSCS...wich allowed you to get to Jedi
You did the WRONG professions.....DEAL WITH IT.
If you take a test in school....and you answer 9 out of 10 questions wrong....YOU FAIL....you don't get rewarded...Do Not Pass Go....Do not collect $200....No Jedi....Quit Whining...and Deal
As for those who think that grinding jedi is going to be a pain...and you're going to have to do this whole conversion of xp all the way to jedi....no....its only till padawan....then you get force exp normally...still alot of work...but i can't wait...cause i for one think its worth it
i don't care how much credit i get...i have FUN playing this GAME....i've done my 4/5 holo's....been playing since July 03 done 2 proffs after holo's....
Devs keep up the good work....don't give in to the whining....whats 50 canceled accounts compaired to the 500,000 that are still active....Reward ONLY what was NECESSARY for FSCS....nothing more...nothing less.
Dark_Drake
Mon Aug 30, 2004 4:58 am
#467
I wasnt complaining i just stated that as the holocrons were not available to me and lots of others that that should be taken into consideration.
Darkatrina
Mon Aug 30, 2004 5:22 am
#468
Guys i keep reading that people thinking that u had 4 holo profs plus a silent 1 to do however if u will let me clarify this for u. Im unsure of the the exact date this changed as the csr's have not divulged this info however but it was a long long time ago but when they realised that so many were grinding and unlocking on 5 profs they changed it to 4 holos plus 4 silent so 8 in total.
This was confirmed by csr's.