Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Jedi Revamp Phase I
I think this is very much needed to get away from the hologrind. I like the sound of it. I hope the new system they are working on is as better put together as the first.
/cheers
Torlekk wrote:
Hav0c wrote:
I swear if GL looked at this he'd freak out.
Maybe you didn't know... This is a LucasArts game that Sony is hosting. The developers are all LucasArts. Believe me, GL knows everything that's going into this game. Do you really think he'd give up creative control to anything SW?
Okay put the crack down and wake up mate. First of Lucas does not control creative liberties if he did then Lucas would be opposed to several facets of this game 1 namely a Jedi council as it is being stated by the developers in the new revamp. they have made it quit clear that there will be a jedi council and dark jedi council. Now before tuning out what i am saying follow along. According to the launch date and announcements this game is set between the years of the 4th and 5th movies. That puts it right after the destruction of the deathstar and right before the battle of Hoth in Empire Strikes back.
That being said there are several liberties then that have been taken with this that ther is no way in hell Lucas has given approval for or he has completely forgotten his own time line and events in his movies,I for one highly doubt the later.
When lucas approves a book to be written he does not write the book he allows the book to be written and then critiques it But does not interfear too much witht he creative liberties of the writer. Thus i have to say he is totally not invovled with the development or what is going on with it in this game. If he were invovled we would most certainly not have any jedi in this current system. Why not? because Yoda made it quite clear "when gone am I the last of the jedi you will be" Yoda said that to Luke the last of the Jedi. This was said during the time of episode 6 the RotJ.
With that being said how can there be any jedi council or system and then continuity with the current timeline witht he movies?
Even Obi Wan eknowledged that in Episode 5 as Luke departs Degobah that "that boy was our only hope." to which yoda replies, "no.... there is another." he was not talking about Jedi Knight Mahonra or anyone else for that matter who is currently playing this game, he was speaking of the only other person who was sensative to the force that he could sense as a master in his age and learned in the ways of the force. He spoke quite clearly of Leia.
So since Obi-wan was dead and Yoda to old to face Vader or the Emperor himself, Luke was the only Jedi they could send to try and restore order once again to the force.
That being the case, If Lucas controlled everything your precious Jedi would not exist. And if this game allowd for it then cloning also would not be an option for a jedi once you were killed you would be dead.
Fact is this game has a large amount of delegated creative liberties and freedoms IMO too much!
Why? because they lacked and still do lack even after the new Droid Engineer updates the one key thing that makes Star Wars what it is, Droids that encumpass every aspect of daily life in the Star Wars Universe. There is more attention paid in this game to combat orientated anything then there is to the basics of the very universe as created by Lucas and his company.
Jedi being available as a player class in this current timeline makes no sense in line with continuity but as many of the players have stated A star wars game with out jedi will not be successfull. the question si ultimately is that true?
With the success of previous non Jedi titles i would have to disagree there as well.
This game is not so much star wars galaxies (if it where i could be a Jawa smuggler or Droid Engineer or junk dealer even possibly a Tusken raider if this was the truest sense of a creative RPG) as it is a game designed by people who want to keep peopel playing their version of the star wars universe as they see it to be. Where Jedi existed in large numbers between episodes 4 and 5, where droids are not important enough to be fixed until almsot a year after the game they launched came out and even then they are still lacking the value that they truley deserve. The richest people in the game should not be weaponsmiths or Dr's but MAster Droid Engineers. Why because tell me what droids are not used for in Lucas' Star Wars Universe, and tell me what they are used for here and how important are they?
instead combat seams to be the only focus, and the only time something is important hence the jedi system itself is so entrenched in combat xp to gain anything.
Lucas still knows 100% what is going on ? hardley, no it's not different then creative freedoms he has given to writers.
If it was Lucas' Star Wars Universe, we would not have jedi (instead you would have to play games like KOTR and or Jedi Academy). bounty Hunters could get missions from jabba and other thugs and gangsters. Players could put out contracts on other players, Dueling would not be an option once said contract was in place. Bounty Hunters would be able to use wrist flamers, snares and entanglement traps etc... Characters might be able to become Force Sensative or have a sense of the Force but it's pursuit would be longer then the original 6 month and suddenly, Bingo "we want to congratualte our first Jedi." there would be no standing and waiting at shuttles to launch, there woudl have already been Ships that can be piloted, Battles would have dire outcomes the loss of controll in one area etc... Players woul dnot have ATST as pets but as a vehicle. Not every stinking Creature handler would Have a Rancor as a pet.Jabba had one and it is quit obvious he had it smuggled past quarantine and someone esle was it's handler.
If this was the Star Wars Universe according to Lucas PVP would be 100% open and not optional. Why? because in his star wars anyone could kill anyone at anytime (as long as Stormies were not watching).
Jedi would have the ability to mind trick you to do things or cause distractions when NOT in combat, Unless you were a greedy bastich. But then again they would not be playable by players since they are Gone from this current timeline minus Yoda and Luke his initiate.
Repair droids would actually repair things, Protocol Droids were able to actually converse and communicate with just about anything and anyone (from moisture vaporators to complex alien and simple aliens life forms speaking bachi to Ewok, another great way to add content, the ability to use protocol droids to talk to NPC's for missions etc all from a protocol droid and it's natural ability.), Astromechs could hack terminals etc Open doors, set off fire extinguishers, lock doors, stop garbage compactors from crushing you, locate certain information etc.... Droids would actually WORK and serve a purpose (assist with daily life).
So if you want to keep lying to yourself that this is Lucas' creation i suggest you go watch the movies againa nd then tell me what do these two things have in common? episode 5 alone shows you how far off this game is from Lucas concept.
fact is this thread would not even be relevent if it were his creation.Jedi themselves would not exist in this present timeline (minus the afore mentioned group).
This is as simple and straightforward as I can possibly be about my questions and concerns about the new publish:
This message is for Thunder Heart -
I understand you are trying to keep the integrity of the game sound and not release specific details, you are afforded that luxury. But now it is plain and simply Q and A time. I have only two questions and I just want simple straightforward answers.
Question 1: I have mastered 1/3 of all the proffesions, Will those who have grinded the holos out and have been grinding proffesions out under the current system be reimbursed under the new system? In more blatant terms, should i keep grinding and hope i make it before publish or master the set of proffesions I think best to quest grind and wait?
Question 2: This second slot stuff on the forums is rediculous, I just want to know plain and simple can I turn my current character into a jedi or do I have to make the extra character slot a jedi? Also if i choose to make my current character a jedi, am i still afforded the luxury of a second character slot to do wtih as a please.
This is as easy as it gets, dont speak in riddles or beat around the bush, just answer these two questions honestly and straightforward, (while keeping the integrity of the game),and you will see less people upset on the forums.
Kili
Please dont flame me if this has already been brought up...
I am on my silent holocron, will i be able to get Jedi with the holocron, or will i be forced to start over and do the quests?
