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Thread: Publish 10.3 Feedback

Wista
Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:12 pm
#417

Being grouped with a PC or non-animal NPC who is viewing this action has no influence on how Jedi Visibility is obtained.


I find it amazing that a jedi grouped with another jedi of the same faction gains visibility.


Wasn't one of the gripes about holo-grind and one of the pros about 10 minute shuttle times was that SOE wanted people to play together? Yet here we are telling everyone that hasn't finished their template to not dare be seen or you will lose your work. Forcing people to grind alone takes the MM out of MMORPG right? I mean if you can't trust a jedi of the same faction to be quiet who can you trust?


"Careful you must be Luke. Turn you in tothe bounty hunters I will." Just doesn't seem right does it?

Message Edited by Wista on 09-23-2004 01:14 AM





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-Rastlin
Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:45 pm
#418

Agreed

Message Edited by -Rastlin on 09-23-2004 12:50 AM



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fizban1
Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:51 pm
#419



I have read this forum a lot but never posted anything, but because of the extreme disappointment I have in the game now, I must speak. I’m so upset I’m not sure where to begin. I know the dev’s don’t read or care about what we say here so I guess my post is some sort of ranting therapy for me.


Here my story…


I’m a brand new Padwan that has a total of 26 Jedi XP. To earn this XP I used my saber , while with another Jedi of the same faction and guild, to kill a few durni’s. I had no idea this would place me on the BH terms. “Well, that was cool using my training saber but I need to make some quick money to buy some PvP armor.” Since I’m still TKM I head over to Dant for some Janta missions. Like an idiot I forgot to watch mind and was killed. There was no one around to rez me. No big deal I thought, I need new armor anyway so I’ll take the small hit to my armor and get cloned. Later that night I check my Jedi XP and discover I’ve lost over 6k worth. I have NEGATIVE 6,034 xp towards Novice Lightsaber? Losing XP from a player BH or Jedi who hunted me down is one thing, but losing Jedi experience to a Janta when I’m not even using my lightsaber? Blow #1.


Blow #2 happens a short while later. Out of no where I am attacked by a player BH. I have no PvP armor yet and, if I did, I wouldn’t have been able to put it on anyways because I was dead in 2 shots. No one around to rez me. I clone and when I walk out of the cloning center, guess what? The same BH was there and killed me again. This time I waited until he left (about 30 min) to leave the cloning center. I’m not positive but I think he could have come into the cloning center and killed me again. Thankfully, he didn’t and went away.


Blow #3 happens the next day when I’m attacked by a BH again. I’m unbuffed but I just got a mind buff. I hit my macro to quickly switch to my PvP armor my vibor-knuckles and I’m ready to fight ….. ACK …. I’m dead! Already? 5 shots and my mind is trashed? I wouldn’t have even been able to “reach him” with my melee weapon in time. No Doc’s around AGAIN and I clone.


The Final Blow: I decided to look at my Jedi XP. It hurts to tell you that I’m negative to the point I would have to play for weeks WITH A TRAINING SABER just to get back to 0 Jedi XP. I still don’t have Novice Lightsaber. Screw this, I don’t want to be a Jedi but, guess what, I can’t drop the force sensitive trees and go back to my old template before this Jedi garbage. My account is screwed. I either MUST be a PvP Jedi or lost 24 Skill points on my old template. I could always delete my character and lose my house, $$$, skills, and everything else but what would that do to my second character slot.


I’m want to cancel my account. My kids (God bless them for their support) want to cancel with me. I paid for all of them three months in advance so they all have about two months left. Maybe less. SOE is about to lose 5 accounts ifthey don't fix things before renewal time.You think the devs care?


Edit: I just logged in after a "login server" crash. When it crashed I was in the middle of a fight witha humbaba. I guess I must have died because I lost another 140k of Jedi XP. Good job devs!


Message Edited by fizban1 on 09-23-2004 01:00 AM

Message Edited by fizban1 on 09-23-2004 01:50 AM



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AltharXXX
Thu Sep 23, 2004 12:58 pm
#420
alMitE wrote:


6) To simulate the control of the Jedi; add Jedi Hunter NPC's, these would be NPC's that would randomly attack a Jedi anywhere they happend to be, the challenge level of these NPC's would be based upon the Force Sensitive and Jedi Skill Points that have been spent, now this is where the XP loss would come into play, upon being defeated(incap) by the NPC(s) the jedi would loose XP the same as it is calculated now, this will also allow the continuation of the 200k XP loss upon cloning(hunting out in the wild and not being careful etc). Have the frequency of these attacks based upon the Visibilty that the Jedi has generated.





Go to bestine and listen to NPC dialogs. This is either in or will be in soon.


alMitE I think your suggestions are right on. If they don't put your suggestions inthey should just put perma death in for all PvP.


Reading this thread is totally demoralizing. The worst thing is the Devs don't even know how bugged the code is. The rumors from JTL are even worse than the jedi-bh soap opera.





Althar Maru, Flurry Janta Assassin
status: retired

Would you care to test out a 400 year old sword to see if it's decayed to condition 0? All the prior testers have no comment. Perhaps a gun which was used in WW I and still fires with high accuracy upto 1km?

If that doesn't get you, then start reading current military specifications for combat equipment.
Skarii
Thu Sep 23, 2004 3:26 pm
#421




Tiggs wrote:



Nym's Themepark



  • Jinkins and Kole should no longer require players to drop items on them; instead they can just talk to the NPC






    • That's nice, but it broke in the process. I did it a few weeks ago and it worked fine with the dragging and dropping.


    Tried it last night with a diff char. and was only able to do the droid chip quest from Jinkins, he thanked me when I returned and sent me to Kole whom then praised me on retrieving the gas which I hadn't even gotten the mission for and he then says talk to nym. Nym says he won't deal with me until I finish with Jenkins and Kole.


    And yes, I did /bug it


    Maybe this was intended to stall those seeking their Jedi status.


    Skarii


    SimuLatorrr
    Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:38 pm
    #422


    Ideas for changes for the Jedi/BH Term system


    #1 Please REMOVE the Names from the BH Missons. The Amount of the Mark
    is enough to tell them its a PLayer.

    #2 Make the XP lose equal to the Amount of Bounty the BH recives for
    your Mark. This should be a fair enough amount of XP lose

    #3 XP should NOT go Below Zero under any circumstances.

    #4 Give Jedi a Visablity Number Value Block much like Faction and Allow
    Jedi Lower than Knights who Choose to be overt btw, the chance to Ethier
    PAY the bounty to a Underworld NPC or WORK off the visablity much like
    faction. This way NO one is FORCED into PvP.

    #5 REMOVE GTEF's on Both sides to create a Fair fight but ALLOW the BH
    to add +1 to his TEF BH group ajusted by the Number of blocks the Jedi
    has filled in the Jedi profession. The BH is the only one that has the ingame
    right to attack me not the people he brings with him.

    #6 Make the BH and the Jedi Overt to Each other as soon as the BH takes
    the Mark so both sides have a Fair advantage and know who is hostile to them in a
    large crowd of people or creatures/NPC

    #7 Remove the Cloning penilty so we make clone in peace and not worry
    about the people killing us Corpse camping our bodies. Yes that happens
    also you get killed the guy or Gank squad stands there and kills anyone
    who tries to help out get rezed so your Timer runs out or you HAVE to
    clone to prevent other players from getting killed trying to help you.

    #8 Or you can fix all this in 1 fail safe fix .. ONLY put KNights or
    above that have comitted and Wish to PvP on the BH terms,
    Exclude those who are Not able to defend (Pawdawn) themsleves in a PvP
    battle from being placed on the BH terms.


    copy of a section of a csr/customer chat ..

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: question was this ..
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: ok can you provide me with copy of the EULA that says I will be Forced to PvP with other players?
    CSR Chris R.: No I cannot , because it is not stated
    CSR Chris R.: What are you Jedi Knight
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: No sir I'm a Pawdawn
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: I have LS 0 0 4 4 Healing 2 0 0 0 Enhance 2 0 0 2 novice blocks
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxx: I cannot defend myself
    CSR Chris R.: Okay what is the issue then


    My issue can you tell me what my issue is .. Use the BIG CRAYON please.


    Message Edited by SimuLatorrr on 09-23-2004 04:49 PM

    _YakFace_
    Thu Sep 23, 2004 5:20 pm
    #423




    Wokka wrote:




    TorakWavestrider wrote:




    _YakFace_ wrote:




    _YakFace_ wrote:




    _YakFace_ wrote:




    Tiggs wrote:



    Force Sensitive



  • Added a check on login to restore the force sensitive title skill to a player that is eligible to enter Aurilia.




    • What's exactly that point??






    still waiting a little clarification on this point...





    Hmm...Thunderheart, please, i need an answer is this to fix the people like me that is bugged with this damned /checkforcestatus command or what? :'(




    Basically you could drop the force sensitive skill box, and then have no way to retrain it, so you couldn't actually go any further, you wouldn't have been visited by the old man to get it again, and would be unable to do anything in the village. What this does is checks if you should have the force sensitive box, and restores it if you were stupid enough for some dumb reason to surrender it.



    Yeah it was unexpected that people were dropping the FS box. Its like the devs gave us knives and some of us stuck them in our brains.


    "I had no idea he was gonna put it in his head, these guys are dumber than we thought, develop some way they can recover from this, oh and meet me after work so we can laugh about these morons".


    But, there is a good part to all this. It helps developers uncover other moronic actions that help the code work better. When you add a cheat mode, kids do odd things, hence the Froggy terminals and the various TC mutants.


    Wokka-wokka





    Oh, i see, but then this is not the fix i was expecting. Of course is really idiot to surrender the FS box :S


    I understoodthat this fix was to change the way that the /checkforcestatus command works because like me some people is still 'surge' and not 'glowy' with all the badges needed But i see that i'm wrong, the fix is for that FS box thing





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    griz_carpell
    Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:33 pm
    #424
    Hey guys! I have a little prediction of the future, for the people who roleplayed and played the game like it was supposed to be played instead of hologrinding, and are now paying for it with the new system.


    Month 1 - In the process of unlocking the new trees. Have started missing school/work days. Starting to get ulcers from sitting at chair too long, grinding combat XP against mobs and mobs, instead of interacting with other players.


    Month 2 - Have quit job/dropped out of school. Finished 6 boxes so far of combat skill tree. In severe pain from bladder bursting when refusing to move from seat, ("I've still got an hour on this buff!")


    Month 3 - Have become a mute. No longer speak to anyone, suffering from extremem malnutrition, only drinking water when eyes begin to bleed. 2 trees completed.


    Month 4 - Suffering through the crafting tree. First spent 40 hours grinding money on Dantooine, then finding a seller for enough resources to do 4 boxes, then 20 more hours grinding the xp.


    Month 6 - Have finally reached Jedi... Initiate. Just beginning work on the massive amounts of XP. IRS siezed computer and all belongings after failing to make any payments whatsoever on anything I own.


    /cheer



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    Effreem
    Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:51 pm
    #425
    /sigh


    .........waiting on fixes....considering returning JTL pre-order.


    This is not kool.
    luckyguess
    Thu Sep 23, 2004 9:19 pm
    #426
    Tiggs wrote:
    Profession: Jedi
  • Jedi should now be able to completely clear their visibility after 3 weeks if they don't do anything else to increase it during this time.




    • This is flawed. A jedi cannot possibly prevent doing "anything else to increase" visibility if he/she attempts to play within the time frame that they are on the mission terminals. If a jedi is attacked by a bounty hunter (and this occurs 10 times a day on average for alot of jedi), their main defense is their force powers. Even using force run in an attempt to avoid fighting qualifies as something to increase visibility. This results in a perpetual loop of events that ensures a permanent stay on the terminals unless one chooses not to play their character at all for 3/4 of a month they're paying $15 for. I highly suggest that the 3 weeks be significantly reduced to give a jedi a fair chance to lose visibility or that a jedi's missions and visibility be wiped to zero once a bounty hunter succeeds in his/her mission. The current arrangement is extremely unreasonable, especially with the increased xp loss from bounties.

    Message Edited by luckyguess on 09-23-2004 09:21 PM

    Zorron
    Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:43 pm
    #427
    Tiggs,


    Thank you for clarifying how visibility works. The whole point of the visibility/BH system is to give Jedis a powerful incentive to keep a low profile. The more Jedis know about how the system works, the better the system will actually work.


    Right now the biggest problem with visibility, especially after the huge increase in theJedi XP penalties,is the catch-22 situation: get on the terminals, BH's come, win or lose the Jedi's visibility goes even higher as a result of the encounter, more BH's come, and so on. The result: SWG is the new Griefers Central, welcome back to UO everyone.


    You have said that Jedis are "in the clear" if killed by the BH. But in practice, from reading multiple stories on boards, this does not seem to be happening. To make sure Jedis are"in the clear" after losing to a BH,I would do the following:


    1.On deathblow by a BH with their mission, reset the Jedi's visibilityvalue (JVV) to zero.

    2. On deathblow by a BH with their mission,cause all other outstanding missions for the Jedi to fail and delete them from datapads.

    3.On deathblow by a BH withtheir mission, Jedi are immediately removed from BH terminals.


    In addition, to make sure that all visibility problems are fixed and the system works 100% as intended (which is not the case right now)


    1.Respond to all clarification questions about how visibility system is "supposed to" work


    2. Temporarily add (at least to the TC) a "visibility meter" (/checkVisibility) reporting the JVV.


    This will allow the player base to uncover any bugs that inexorably cause all Jedi to eventually end up on the BH terminals, and fixa very large part of the complaints of the Jedi community.


    Thank you.




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    Psycho11
    Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:08 am
    #428
    I think it's safe to say at this point that, at the very least, the devs are incompetent and at worst just don't care about the game or their work.



    -- Psycho
    MyrddinSidhe
    Fri Sep 24, 2004 12:11 am
    #429
    Feedback on 10.3:

    No change for me. I'm not, nor will ever be, a Jedi.


    /waits for something non-Jedi centric

    *ahem CB and/or smuggler revamp


    No, JTL doesn't count as new content.



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