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ScottyFL

Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:40 am

#404

Real basic question, probably already been answered, can't wade through 18 pages to find out, so:

If you are say, a Jedi Initiate, 4222 or so, will you LOSE your Jedi when the new Jedi system is launched?

Or will you lose skill boxes andhave to reapply the skill points in the initate trees?

Or does this apply only to Padawans, Guardians & Knights?

MurienAquarius

Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:56 am

#405

Is it really a big deal if everyone's main character becomes force sensitive? That doesn't mean anything in itself, you don't gain any powers right off the bat, it seems that you would have to pursue them if you wanted them. I don't understand why people are getting worked up about it. It is like any other profession, if you want the abilities that come with that class, you will have to spend the skill points to get them. I do think it would be really interesting to see force powers integrated into non-combat classes, force wielding armorsmiths, etc. They could add a whole boatload of new content with ideas like that. We should just wait and see. I think that the game was a bit weak, and release was rushed, but it looks like they are getting back on top of things, and this game is about to really take off.

Murien Aquarius

damocles88

Wed Apr 21, 2004 11:24 am

#406

Sorry Ko, but I can't entirely agree with you.

As for frustrated friends, yeah they knew what they were getting into when they started playing. Sure. But that doesn't mean we don't have the right to try and make the game better.

I understand that you made the sacrafice to get thesecond account. And you're also right in that I'm asking someone to HAND me something that others have worked hard for. I do this because I think it will make the game better. THIS IS NOT A SLAP IN THE FACE... give me a break, its a GAME. Let us play.

Besides, I can't afford a second account (I can barely pay my rent) and thus do not have the option you do. I also work my arse off,take classesand have a first child on the way... I don't have that much time to grind through whatever jedi quests they dream up, ruining my main character just so I can dabble in BE/Ranger.

You refer to having the second slot as a 'priveledge'. I understand that perspective. I simply am asking SOE to make the second character slot a 'right'. There's plenty of others things in SWG that we can strive for. Let us play.

As for the economy, maybe you are correct. I'm usually pretty good at looking at large, complex systems and telling whether or not something's going to work. I can see why additional character slots could harm the system but I don't think it necessarily will work that way. Just because I can get my wife to buff medoesn't mean I never interact with others or participate in the economy. On the contrary there are a lot of people I rely on. Certainly more than just four people. Master chef, armorsmith, weaponsmith, smuggler, dancer, musician, and other doctors are professions i interact with every week.

And my biggest complaint about the 'economy' argument is what happens when Space comes out?! Great, make it even harder for us to try out the new expansion because we'll have to destroy loved characters to do it!!!

But, economies are complex systems. Who knows what would happen.

I also can understand from a business perspective that giving us a second slot would cause a number of people to cancel their second accounts. I'm sure that's a major reason why SOE won't grant our request.

I still think its a good idea though.

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GuanYing

Wed Apr 21, 2004 2:47 pm

#407

Spank-a-thon, Ahhh ok, that makes more sense. I thought people were saying they get force sensitivity right off in the new system...

HeavyNova

Wed Apr 21, 2004 3:20 pm

#408

ok did i miss the part where TH said holo grinders would get credit?? If so could someone plz post his quote from THIS thread not a earlier thread thanks.

JanGaarni

Wed Apr 21, 2004 3:23 pm

#409

JoruusKun wrote:

i not a big fan of everyone being jedi,it takes the glory out of it. People who have spent months grinding through the professions, unlocking on number 26 isn't fair either, but i would think that there should be a better way into jedihood. You cannot be eligible after a certain age of your character (since its creation) becuase it would inflict on yoda's too old policy, maybe for starters I dont know thats why your the developers and im the star wars geek that pays you to let me play it. There's about 250,000 people playing star wars (i think anyways) and you're telling me that they all will have force sensitivity? I dont think it'll be cool to say " Hooray im a jedi and the twenty people next to you gathered outside the starports go " Hooray me too." so much for hiding out in the dune sea and forest of endor. Like i said if i had a solution, I'd post it but i dont so all i can do is post my thoughts and hope that you guys read it and at least take it into consideration. Thanks for the great game so far though.

Amen to that.

There is only one Jedi left by the time the game started: Master Yoda.

And if we take into account the EU we can count them on one hand.

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Zenda

Wed Apr 21, 2004 6:29 pm

#410

damocles88 wrote:

TH, will you please convey the following message to your coworkers for me:

Just give us a second character slotwithout theJedi nonsense!

Do you have any idea how many people out there DONT GIVE A RATS ARSE ABOUT BEING A JEDI but would kill for a second character slot?!

I agree totally, making this all about Jedis stinks and that's all there is to it.People who have a Jedi can have two characters on a server, get to compete in a system that a great deal of time is spent on even though not even 1% of the Server population is Jedi, and everyone who doesn't really want to be a Jedi is just being ignored alltogether. "Well sorry, you don't want to be a Jedi then there is no prestige to be gained in this game for you, because mastering professions doesn't mean anything, in fact, your fighter is only as good as his gun and your crafter is only as good as the stats on your resources, have a nice day" - this is what I get out of this.

Why can't they make Jedi rare by offering different rewards, instead of by making them rare because you have to unlearn all your Skills to become a Jedi, and then you get a chance to unlock a second slot.

Here is how the Jedi system would work if I was in charge of the game: Everyplayer could make their Character into alegendary characterby going through a Series of Quests andthen you get options.You could be a Jedi, but you could pick different very powerful andrewarding things also for your Character to have.

Rewardscould be things like:

Deep Crust Mining, meaning that you can build/place harvestersthat findrelatively potent resources in awsome quantities and never have to be moved.

Owning a capital chip or space station in the space expansion.

Highest Ranks in Factions, like Generals who really have imense power inside of a Faction, can call in reinforcement troops or orbital bombardment..

Ability to build/use a Jetpack, allowing you to hover out of the reach of melee fighters and move at great speeds during combat.

Telepathic, ability to read someones mind, find out faction, rank, skills etc. and limited combat abilities that mess with your oponents mind (Dizzy them, inflict wounds etc.) and heal your own/others.

Royalty, grants you a title like Lord, Lady, Duke etc. that will be displayed in your name, also allows you to place a giant palace as a personal home.

Cyborg, gives you the ability to build andequip implants that can increse your stats, give bonuses to skills, armor, smartguns, bio-bombs,you name it...

Versatile, just grants you an extra 100 Skillpoints to learn more professions with.

Land owner: More lots.

...

I mean there should be hundrets of rewards like this that give your Character that certain edge that makes every character in Starwars amazing in a way. That's how the system should work, then everyone could get some awsome or unique skill that will really enhance their gaming experience and emphasise what they do instead of just making Jedi the be all end all profession. You could pick Jedi as your personal reward and be a Jedi, but people who don't want to be Jedis could get awsome stuff as well, and make their character unique and superior to normal characters in a way.

If they would do that this game would rock hard, because nobody would ever have to whine about the Jedi system anymore, you would not feel like Jedi is the only true prestige in the game, and like your Character is only worth as much as the quality of the items you have, no, you would have a chance at making a Character that is flat out legendary and the stuff of Starwars novels, and with hundrets of awsome rewards to pick from your exact combination of skill and legendary characteristics would really be one in a thousand and make everyone more unique.

yohmama

Wed Apr 21, 2004 7:40 pm

#411

Dear Star wars galaxies devs,

Hello, my name is Sandell Stangl. Ive been playing your game ever since it came out in stores. I remember when my brother told me we were going to play it. He asked me what proffession i was going to be. I said jedi, I always wanted to play a game were I could interact with other players and wield the force.( I know what you must be thinkin right now but please hear me out) I played this game non-stop during the summer and loved it. I have been threw every lagg, every update and every "we'll get the server back online" and "Be patient we'll have the update soon". When summer was over I had to go back to school so I could play about five hours a day. As time passed my life contiued until the day came where somone had unlocked there force slot. I was very happy and sought after my holocron. It said pistoleer. When I read post I soon discoveried people who mastered 12 proffession or even 18 while I had masterd 1. I talked to these people. They said they explored and spent 12 hours a day playing the game and worked hard to master proffession in days. Ok, these are people who, in my opinion, have no life but this game. I see something wrong with this. I should not choose between my real life and this game. I still want to be a jedi to this day but I dont want to let my grades suffer. I wrote this email to release tention and frustrations I have had. Im hoping that in the future that the space expansion will be good as well as the jedi revamp. Please write back to me so i can know that at least you read my letter. Thank you for your time

From, Sandell Stangl

ps. Though it would be a nice gesture for you to just open my force slot

Torlekk

Wed Apr 21, 2004 8:23 pm

#412

I don't know quite what to say about that. If it was a joke, it wasn't very funny. If not, I wish you luck, kid! Here's hoping the quests work better for you than the grinding did.

MasterKyp4421

Wed Apr 21, 2004 9:41 pm

#413

I totally hope they don't just give everyone a second account for the server. It already sux that people are buying second accounts. Like the above guy who is a master CH and bought another account to master BEso he didnt have to pay a BE. I'm a BE and selling animals has been really slow lately. If everyone had a second account the economy of SWG would suffer even further. Noone would need to rely on other players which is the coolness of the game. I hope they never do that!

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Jaysunkillaton

Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:15 pm

#414

Fear.

What this sounds like to me that everyone that got thier jedi open is screwed.

The people who put thier time/money/pain-taking-headachesto mastering professions for many many monthsto 13 to 32 professions later to only see that newbee player get what they worked so hard to get. The only then that stops them isa quest that people will find a way to work around. Ex. the quest for the scythe schematic. Afteryou complete 3 easy task you get a map. once youuse it a kyrat appears. grab what you needfromthe boxthen run. leaving the kyrat behind.

Even if they make where u have to kill something iam sure a group of freinds with the right skills will be able to walk through these quest. Meaning every guild will have the upper hand then a person who never and dont want to join a guild.

This is what iam getting from this.

1) Jedi now loose their jedi but keeps thier Exp. Meaning :we loose our 5million dollor sabor or more.

2) the lower jedi that didnt make it to jedi padawan yet gets to keep thier jedi exp but is gimped to what everyone else easy getsandto get the special class againwhere everyone didlook up to you , has to reach Jedi Knight now. only then you get to fell special againbut by then every newbee and loser has it too. Meaning : everything worked for is lost. and has to start from bottom up only to skipa quest.

3) the higher jedi also gets to keep thier exp but is gimped to lower status but gets to climb faster then the lower jedi.

They say we will get rewarded for our time and headaches. Now lets say we sold our time on ebay and i heard they wasnt cheap - around 1000 real dollors and i think that would be worth it for my time/pain-taking-headaches even though i think its stupid to sell something you worked so hard to get only to get rid of it. what can they possably give us to make up for it?.

1)5 months free? what about our time and pain-taking-headaches

2) free space expansion? not bad but still not good enough, but that wouldnt happen

3) a decoration for your house? if its this i will be mad

4) a true jedi robe? something that wont last long from decay and that everyone will cry about and get when they cant take peoples crying nomore.

5) more skill points on the main charater? some people may like this but i dont think its worth it

6) extra slot that noones gets but the people who got jedi before the revamp so they can have 3 charater slots? some people might be happy with it and others wont.

who knows what we will get but iam sure its not going to be what we think is worth it iam sure. atleast most wont.

Current moment : now that they public tell people that these changes is going to be made but so many people is still alittle confused on whats going on and how this will effect them and what can they possably do to make up for our loses we only get a few comments and not a full detail of whats going to happen. iam sure they dont want to give alot of details out but iam sure they can clear up alot of unanswered questions that will ease peoples fears. meaning we want more then a few questions answered. we want to know what is going to happen to us and what we get for the jedis that worked so hard to get where they r to only fell like thier getting slapped in the face then laughed at while someone counts money.

future outLook : fear turns to hate. hate turns to evil. onces a person follows down the dark path thiers no turning back.

to all the people who dont have jedi and crying : oncesyou have your jedi you can have a reason to cry , but has of this revamp this isnt going to screw you out of anything. sit back and let the people to have something to fear do the talking. your getting what you want SO SHUTUP!!!!! to the people that say they dont want jedi like i said before stop lying to the devs and to yourself. its not like your fooling anyone. who doesnt want a charater that cankill and go through the harder missions with for the best mission rewards. The truth will set you free.

i want to see this game goto the top of the best games ever

i know its at the top of my list

please devs clean this mess up and i hope you make the right choices

may the force be with you

Jwmc4

Wed Apr 21, 2004 10:29 pm

#415

As a current jedi could you answer 4 simple questions?

1) Will saber damage type change? (kenitic) to something less resisted?

2) Will we need to wear armor after the revamp to be competitive in pvp at high level?

3) Will our force powers work and will our saber specials continue to be force based instead ofHAM based?

4) finally Will we have some defences against /kd /dizzy /posture down and damage mitigation??

I would also like a one time per hour skill like the TK's get to get up from a incap healthy and ready to go

but i dont want much

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CranialTyrant

Thu Apr 22, 2004 1:20 am

#416

Spank-A-Thon wrote:

So the proposed Jedi Revamp seems to be somewhat vague, well I'd like to add my interperation and some thoughts of my own to the mix.

I've never really dug the existing idea. I don't like the idea of Holo grinding in order to acheive some end-goal of becoming Jedi - I prefer to enjoy the game and play, rather than grind. If I was to succumb to the grind, the other thing putting me off was that a new FS character would be needed - so all the time I spent on my primary character would be for nought - another character would benefit.

To introduce a new quest-based system sounds great providing that players who are on the holo grind are suitably re-imbursed (i.e. if someone is 90% there now, they should still be 90% there when the new system comes in). A quest-based system sounds like it will encourage the game to be played rather than ground - and for me personally that can only be a good thing.

I am assuming that you're current character at some point will become Force Sensitive provided you have fulfilled the quest-criteria. I like this idea - after all, was it not Yoda who said that the force binds all living things? If I was to become Jedi I wish it to be with the character a) I earned it with, and b) the character I'm attached to. However, I think that there should also be the option to reject Force Sensitivity on your existing toon and then elect to create a new FS character. One FS character per account. So if my character, Ymobacca, unlocks Force Sensitivity I should then have the option to pursueJedi with Ymobacca, or with a brand new character - not both. This will help keep the Jedi level to a minimum.

Once a character is classed as Force Sensitive, this does not mean they are Jedi - it should simply mean that they may choose to embark on Jedi training. I may choose to be Force Sensitive but never take advantage of that or realise its potential.

Once a player embarks on Jedi training all previous skills (if an existing character) should be lost - after all the Jedi code states that Jedi have no posessions, wear simple clothes, etc (as in the EU). Whilst this seems harsh, it would mean a sacrifice of sorts in order to become Jedi. Make the path from Padawan to Master really mean something - not just 'another profession'.

Upon reaching a certain level of Jedi skill (say Jedi Knight), players should have the option of either having other non-Jedi skills, or carrying on to Jedi Master. The benefit of the first is that we could have such things as Jedi Healers (in the EU it mentions that some Jedi were better at such things as medicine, negotiation and what not rather than combat). We could have Jedi CHs that have a more natural affinity with their pets, Dark Jedi TKA's and so on. However, if a Jedi is to pursue Master then the sacrifices must continue (again this would help control the population of Jedi). Jedi Masters would in effect be the top of the food chain - but they will have had it very hard in order to get there! Jedi Master should represent the pinnacle of character development and only acheivable by those willing to put in the effort and sacrifice. In other words, introduce the concept of dedication and sacrifice. I mean, let's face it - you can probably grind about 60% of the professions out there when AFK - is this something to be rewarded?

For me, under the current system I have no interest in becoming Jedi - I don't want to lose my existing character nor grind away so I suppose in one way it does the job of controlling Jedi population. With some of my ideas I may be more intrerested but still not take the path of the Jedi knowing how much I'd have to sacrifice.

I dunno, I have a feeling some people will not like my ideas and flame me to death (good job I have a Master Doc with me!), but all I was wanting to do was suggest some ideas.

-Y

/cheer This is the coolest thought on the Jedi mess. I cannot think of a better way to unlock and play a Jedi character!! Everyone should scream and yell for this idea to be put into action!! Post and post until the Devs listen to this. /congrat to Ymobacca aka Spank-A-Thon for coming up with such a cool and creative idea.

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