Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Friday Feature Pt 2 May 7th 2004 Jedi Archives Volume II
teamdoa wrote:
There needs to be some sort of limit on Jedi as everyone is going to be one soon. Jedi will end up being as common as TKA. Bounty Hunters need to be more powerfull.
Easy enough - just nerf the jedis down to an elite level like fencer or swordsman, with no other profession. Soon they will be rare again.
Initially I was pleased to see the system of obtaining a FSCS moving away from the hologrind to a quest based system. I was looking forward to using my already established character to move through the quests at whatever pace I was comfortable with. I would never have done the grind as I see this as a pointless waste of time persuing professions I had no interest in. I had decided fairly early on what I wanted my final character to be and I have stayed with that vision all along.
Now I find that although I will be able to use my existing character to complete the quests I will have to destroy him to persue the Jedi path. I can hear people saying "no" as I write this, "you can use your second slot to make the jedi" I hear you say. However, to acheive this I would have to level this new character up to something proficient to complete the quests (not sure to how proficient as nobody knows yet) and then do the Jedi quests again. I cannot play for hours and hours repeating something I have already done nor do I really have any desire to.
If the Jedi quests are easy enough for me to complete twice then I wouldn't really complain but I know now that they will be long and presumably hard. It was mentioned early on I believe by TH that the quests would take the same if not more amount of time to complete than the hologrind, so for me to invest another X amount of months is not something I think I am going to do.
It will be a shame if this is the case as I was looking forward to having a purpose for my existing character. The hologrind is not hard its justa large timesink, I see this system as being very similar if you want to keep those characters and all the experiences they have collected intact. I feel truly sorry for those people that have characters that are not suited to being a Jedi as they are going to be forced to grind(pun intended) both characters through the quests.
Let's say I'm currently a 4/4/4/4 Jedi Guardian, meaning in the new Jedi system I have used all 250 of my skill points. So on patch day, do I have to allocate all my skill boxes to the new system right away? Or can I wait for a little while before converting all my Jedi skills? I would love to master a few fun and easy professions like Medic, Artisan, and Entertainerto add a few badgesto my blank profile.
-Andrian, Intrepid
Jarx wrote:
oh and on the issue of there being too many jedi, I just want to say that even if there are more jedi, I don't care. The simple fact is that if one wants to be a jedi then one shouldn't be denied that simply because of a lack of expendable time. People are paying for this game, so they ought to be able to do what they want. The ranking system is also a check against an innumerable amoung of jedi, and an ingenious one at that. Props.
You may not care but a large number of people do. People are paying for this game based on how they were told it would be - There won't be a lot of Jedi. Now it is being change and those, like myself, that have cancelled their accounts have wasted almost a years worth of fees because the Devs are caving into the vocal minority and completely changing the game.
The game doesn't need changed, the game needs fixed.
Witnezz wrote:
teamdoa wrote:
There needs to be some sort of limit on Jedi as everyone is going to be one soon. Jedi will end up being as common as TKA. Bounty Hunters need to be more powerfull.
No jedi limit of nerf required at all.
Fix BH and make it the elite profession it should be, problem solved.
Right now We're gimped. Retool the profession so we are able to do the job
you have given us.
You woulden't send a master marksmen to take out a TKM or Master Swordsmen, nuff said.
TH, I have just have 1 serious issue with the revamp. According to the way it sounds is that anyone doing part of the trials will get force powers that will augument there normal skills. So here is my problem. Even if a player doesnt want to be a jedi, it would be foolish for them not to do some or all of the jedi quests up until the part where they have to choose whether they want to be a jedi or not. I say foolish because lets take 2 TKM's fighting each other. 1 has force enhanced skills and the other does not. It seems to me that the one that has...lets say force enhanced defenses is going to win every time. So now we have a galaxy of force enhanced players running around....which does NOT hold true to the Star Wars universe. So before these publishes go live can you take a serious look at possibly given all non-jedi profession an alternate enhancement system similar to force enhancement (a.k.a - a subsitute advancement system) which would take the place of force enhancement. Simply put a character can choose to go to a NPC expert in there field and do quest which grant basically the same thing, OR they can choose to do the jedi trials. If they ever decide to go jedi in the future they would be forced to surrender those elite profession skills and pick up the force sensitive ones instead.
Maybe i am just being picky, but i think it would have more of a Star Wars feel then everyone running around with some force sensitivity.
Other then what i stated above I think the revamp sounds great - and look forward to the changes.
Timak - Master Doc / Master CM :corbantis
Eppi - TKM / Master Commando : corbantis
Timpi - Master tailor / Armorsmith / Architect : corbantis
Here is my take on alot of it, because i am extremely, extremely upset with this whole revamp.
II hope and pray a DEV reads this and takes it to heart, because so far in this game nothing has happened that made the game enjoyable for me and my friends, only worse.
I agree with those who say we agreed to pay and play for this game knowing their wouldnt be alot of jedi, only a few lucky ones. I hate the fact that the DEVs caved and now its a known system and people all over are doing it. And again all systems support the "rich get richer" theory because i dont have the time or the IG funds to grind thirty two classes, i barely mastered the one i have.
So let me get into how i feel about this revamp, and alot of things in general.
Firstly as usual the revamp is very negative towards roleplayers, and geared towards power gamers and complainers. Its bad enough we got starsider stolen from us as an RP server, now the whole entire jedi class is becoming a nothing but combat thing, so if you wanna RP being a jedi, forget it.
You have to be an overt imp or reb, which means you will never have a moment to sit, relax or RP, or walk into town for that matter cause everyone is so afraid to die because you lose skills.
Why is this? firstly the jedi and the sith were hidden, they didnt go around announcing themsevles. What was the first thing Gui gon did when he went into town in EP1, he took of his robe and hid his lightsaber. Yoda lived in the middle of nowhere, he didnt even get involved in the galactic war.
Alot of Jedi were pacifists they didnt want to fight. Thier are tons of different ways to play a jedi, but we arent allowed that, we are thrown into the mold that the majority of people who play this game, because they complain and get what they want.
Which i thought is what was going to get Starsider made an RP server, but it didnt.
So RPers are never supported in this game what so ever, why not start with the one sacred thing in the game, Jedi. Why not allow us options? Why not let us custom make a jedi? I mean thier are so many different kinds it is ridiculous, read some of the table top SW supplements youll see alot of it.
Heck i still dont understand the imp/rebel overt thing. Lets look at yoda for example, he was not involved in the war at all. Heck think about this, Yoda wasnt really good or evil, only a Jedi, because think about it he is the one who trained anakin to become vader because good and evil rolled off of him, all he cared about was the balance of the force.
(sorry if this is bland, i made this post once and it didnt stick so redoing it stinks, i lost alot of the pizaz for it)
I dont under stand why we all have to be type casted into one particular roll, thier are so many different ways this can be done.
Also why is it in the new way my PC becomes FS not the enw slot? thats not fair, what if your a roleplayer and its totally agaisnt your concept to be a jedi? what then? if you stick to your guns you have to do the quests twice.
Not to mention this particular way makes it so now every person with an account can have two jedi.
I jsut see alot of holes in this system and it bothers me, alot.
Why couldnt a sith be nuetral and kill everyone? Why would a sith want to announce himself around so badly when even other sith wanted to kill him? Id never tell someone i was a sith unless it was seconds before i was gonna kill him.
And we have to wear the robes ...dumb again. I love the robe thing but come on, it SCREAMS your a jedi or sith. And another thing that isnt fair about the robes is, no matter what rank you are you are under attack constantly, but again if you dont play CONSTANTLY and PvP CONSTANTLY your low rank which means your robe will stink, and you will die alot.
Again the rich get richer. Its very frustrating that even if i bust my hump to get an FS slot, i cant enjoy it the way i want to, i have to enjoy it the way they tell me too.
And ironically, i pay them.
Its very frustrating and i dont understand it at all, but its not to late to fix it, and change it.
AND ITS NEVER TO LATE TO IMPLEMENT AN RP SERVER. Trust me SOE we dont care, id give up everything i had on a server n a heartbeat to get an enforced RP server, and with jedi coming out its the perfect time so at least on one server the sanctity of the jedi class is kept.
Today i saw someone shouting in theed "Jedi with a TEF in front of starport, bring it on **edit**...."
A jedi said "bring it on **edit**...' if i had any authority in this game, he would ahve lost his FS slot on the spot.
But hey thats just me.
my main question is...say I did holo's to silent and have mastered 3 other classes (7 total)...
and another person did 7 random classes (say all 7 would not have been said by a holo)...do we both move up the quest lvl to the same spot?
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Was there an answer to this? I'd love to know as it will help me plan my future playing time until publish 10 (like if I need two more holcons or not).
Another thing about the robes, if going to have robes allow tailors to make the poser robes. Ya know they look like a jedi robe no effects or not but could look like a jedi at first glance. Could be intresting to have lots of people in robes wandering around town then makes hard to pick out the real jedi in a crowd. Ya that might look like a masters robe at a glance but when you all go after it find out you killed a dancer...oops. Or after killing some dancers you might think that the real jedi is just a dancer and not think twice about the look of the robe as a tell tell sign.
As for the jedi being pacifist they were not so much that as more reactionary to events. If they were passifast would not have them being generals and soldiers in the clone wars. They did try and when necessary keep appearance toned down so did not stand out when they did not want attention (the bit from ep1 and all was more they were on the outter rim and a jedi is not a common thing and they were trying to keep low profile not because of some inate need to be hidden).
But the 'flood' of jedi could be a deal breaker but am sure that they will have some checks and ballances in there but hope that those checks will not be the same as say, oh maybe, the player city cap fiasco.
As to the whole RP being a jedi, that option is there still. Can rp with your peers at the enclaves or rp being hunted by the empire out in public. Jedi did not just go down and have a deathstick at the cantina on fridays and play sabacc. They were often secluded in their temples or out being evil for the dark siders.
I still hold my judgment till see more info. What was given was just like the blurb for a book on line and now need to read the book to find out if it lives up to the blurb. But to review it as crap before it is even seen, well not a very good stance to have a solid point as do not know the details.
Wait and see, I am sure than once they finish the ID mini publish we will see some of the jedi stuff hitting test since they have the bunker for mini publish 2 already out there.