Development Cycle Archive
Thread: SWG Changes Part 3: GCW Occupation System
Bounty-1
Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:37 pm
#352
Tanks wrote:
Calandryll_SOE wrote:
Additionally, if a Jedi is scanned s/he runs the risk of being exposed. Should this happen, the police may panic and call for help, bringing a very powerful force on the Jedi. Note that Imperial allied police will call forces to attack any Jedi, regardless of faction. Rebel aligned police will only call guards to attack Dark Jedi.
It was SOEs decision to make FRS faction based, and allow Jedi to pick factions. As long as the Jedi are part of GCW it does not make sense for factioned troops to attack them. A Jedi that is a colonel in the Imperial Forces should command respect.
Therefore, making the Dark Jedi be attacked by ALL is an unfair decision, and it would also give the rebel Jedi an unfair advantage as well. It is already bad enought that rebels outnumber Imperials (at least on my server), and the FRS bonuses favor the rebel Jedi over Dark Jedi, this would discourage even more Jedi from choosing the Dark side.
Furthermore, in regards to JTL, trainers for the imperial track are in imperial controlled cities (eg. Bestine), doing it this way would also lock out the Dark Jedi from JTL as there would not be a spaceport city where they would be safe where they can get missions etc. So, what have they spent their $29.95 for JTL for?
And, you will be locking out Dark Jedi from major planets.
Just too unbalanced and unfair.
I completely agree with this unless Jedi are given their own factions light and dark this is unacceptable.
Dark Jedi Knights are permanently declared Imperials according to current game design and should be treated the same as any other Imperial factioned player. Anything the movies or EU say is irrelevant in this case. Untill SWG is coded to be more like the movies and EU this will not work.
Shakes
Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:43 pm
#353
Great change devs! Don't change a thing!!! LOOKING GOOD 
*thumbs up*!
TheLateAnakinSolo
Tue Feb 08, 2005 9:47 pm
#354
Calandryll_SOE wrote:
Calandryll_SOE wrote:
Ko-aIri wrote:
Mr. Hanna,
Since you're monitoring this thread at the moment, I was wondering if possibly you could comment on this item related to what you just posted:
Back before Publish 9, Jedi had a limited, random ability to avoid a crackdown scan based on how advanced they were. Once they hit Padawan in the old system, a scan was basically guaranteed to be avoided with an automatic mind trick.
Jedi avoiding the scan, part 1
Jedi avoiding the scan, part 2
Those screenshots are my Jedi, then an Initiate, doing the auto-mind trick. It was one of the coolest things for immersion that happened in all my gaming experience.
Since publish 9, Jedi lost this ability. With the advent of these new GCW changes, there has never been a more compelling time to ask for this ability to return.
Perhaps either a Jedi could automatically do it (like the old system) based on how many skill points are invested in Jedi skills (i.e. a % chance to avoid a scan)... OR the useless Master Force Powers skill "Jedi Mind Trick" could be modified to be a shield or reactionary ability that would enable a Jedi to avoid the scans.
This would be immersive, true to the movies, and a way for Jedi to stay clandestine while traveling.
I thank you for your time and I eagerly await any comment you have. Thank you!
We are looking into this.
GreenMarine fixed this. Should be in the same publish as the GCW changes assumingthe fixpasses QA.
WOOOOOOOOOOT!
LOL, this was one of my favorite things about jedi.
If you were to just fix the FRS, I'd be one HAPPY player!
JerethBane
Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:09 pm
#355
Just a few thoughs, some of them have been posted already, but this thing has gotten so huge and they came to mind as I was pouring through all the posts
1) "Several years ago" (several indicating a number greater than three) there were no factions in this game. Why? There was no game. Three years ago even, there was only one faction, and we were the worshippers of the Shrub!
This game has not even been live for two years yet. Even so, I look forward to driving the Confederacy, I mean rebels from the sands of Tatooine!
2) As a person who falls squarely inot the "carebear" designation, I find it hilarious that we have been out "carebeared" by the neutrals. Good job guys.
3) When have you ever been scanned by the NPCs at a base? NEVER! They are not scan teams. Perhpas a scan team was near a base, but Base troops do not scan.
4)I'm not worried about scans.a) I have been fined a total of one time. Usually I have a crate of spice and all the sliced equipment I can packrat into my inventory. They always tell me to move along. Must be residual Smugglerluck. b) I will be set as combatant 90% of the time. Enemy NPCs will be set to KOS on me, so they won't be scanning. The other 10% I will be special forces or on leave. On leave I will be going to Endor for DWB runs.
5) No reason to bring planetary control to Lok, Lok has one city: Nym's. Now, in theory, they could beef up the imp base and put a starport in it, that might be nice, but otherwise it's just a big desolate rock (that used to be my home, so I do love it still). Not a lot to control there.
6) I hope to see Rori, Talus and Dantooine brought in however. Imps get the base of course, rebs can have Agro/Mining, leaving us to fight for MO.
7) Most of all tho:GREAT JOB AND SERIOUS CONGRATS TO THE DEV TEAM!
Wolfmann31
Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:23 pm
#356
Bounty-1 wrote:
Tanks wrote:
Calandryll_SOE wrote:
Additionally, if a Jedi is scanned s/he runs the risk of being exposed. Should this happen, the police may panic and call for help, bringing a very powerful force on the Jedi. Note that Imperial allied police will call forces to attack any Jedi, regardless of faction. Rebel aligned police will only call guards to attack Dark Jedi.
It was SOEs decision to make FRS faction based, and allow Jedi to pick factions. As long as the Jedi are part of GCW it does not make sense for factioned troops to attack them. A Jedi that is a colonel in the Imperial Forces should command respect.
Therefore, making the Dark Jedi be attacked by ALL is an unfair decision, and it would also give the rebel Jedi an unfair advantage as well. It is already bad enought that rebels outnumber Imperials (at least on my server), and the FRS bonuses favor the rebel Jedi over Dark Jedi, this would discourage even more Jedi from choosing the Dark side.
Furthermore, in regards to JTL, trainers for the imperial track are in imperial controlled cities (eg. Bestine), doing it this way would also lock out the Dark Jedi from JTL as there would not be a spaceport city where they would be safe where they can get missions etc. So, what have they spent their $29.95 for JTL for?
And, you will be locking out Dark Jedi from major planets.
Just too unbalanced and unfair.
I completely agree with this unless Jedi are given their own factions light and dark this is unacceptable.
Dark Jedi Knights are permanently declared Imperials according to current game design and should be treated the same as any other Imperial factioned player. Anything the movies or EU say is irrelevant in this case. Untill SWG is coded to be more like the movies and EU this will not work.
Then just lets boot Jedi out of the factions then. Problem solved.
Staan
Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:43 pm
#357
Would be unnecessary to remove the Jedi from their factions.
All that would allow is Neutral Knights, and what use would they be?
Knights are a PvP class, they need purpose.
All that would allow is Neutral Knights, and what use would they be?
Knights are a PvP class, they need purpose.
DarkSmyth
Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:44 pm
#358
Wolfmann31 wrote:
Then just lets boot Jedi out of the factions then. Problem solved.
Better than that... reinstitute perma-death and make it just that... PERMANENT! As in bye bye Jedi. No re-roll a new one. Adios.
How many Jedi do you think you'll see hangin out for the fun of it?
Nate714
Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:48 pm
#359
imperial NPCs attacking imperial jedis is totally messed up.
If this goes into effectdark jedis will not be able to travel, even those who keep themselves a total secret and never spark saber in public need to travel to get buffs and heal fatigue.
unless darkjedis get autobuffers in their houses(which would be unreasonable), this idea is TERRIBLE.
Kodi08
Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:50 pm
#360
Don't know if this has been touched on (WAY TOO MANY PAGES LOL) anyway, is there anyway that you can make sure that each city that is alway imperial and alway rebel (Like Theed - Imp and Moenia - Rebel) have a starport. I mean I'd like to be able to fly home to Tatooine from time to time but not having a place I can land and not get scanned if imperial controlled would be horrid (as in Anchorhead has no starport)
ThalenCynelles
Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:51 pm
#361
Mirgonael wrote:
I have two problems and two solutions ....
PROBLEM: The Empire would NEVER allow a city to fly Rebel banners.
SOULTION: Rather than flying Rebel banners, let the cities fly the regular planet banners. Imperial cities should have Imperial banners, but if the Rebels take control of a planet/city, then the planet/city has been liberated and can fly it's own flags. Since SWG is promoting Coronet as being a city fighting to maintain its neutrality, then letting them fly Corellian flags rather than the Rebel flags would be more appropriate.
EasierSolution: The Empire dispatches its forces (players) to retake the city.Oh, and uh, Garm bel Iblis isn't exactly as neutral as he appears. Hopefully his quest dialogue will be updated. You did notice that the Rebel status of Coronet cannot be changed, right? Each side gets one of the two key starports, with the Empire in permanent control of Theed.
PROBLEM: The Emperor would not allow a city as close to his Retreat as Moenia to be Rebel controlled.
SOLUTION: Simply give the Rebels a different city on Naboo.
Easier Solution: Do not presume to know the will of the Emperor. He'd let Bothans think they pulled one over on him if it suited his ambitions. Throughout the films it's clear the Emperor believes in keeping his friends close, and his enemies closer.
Jagbar
Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:59 pm
#362
you just don't get it do you. When you choose to be a Dark Jedi you are required to become imperial if you are already not one. if you can't see the irony in that you need to get yourself a ticket for the clue bus. so what pro's would someone have to become a Dark Jedi compared to a Light Jedi? not really any aside from the RP aspect. personally i think like others have said that all jedi should be expelled from the Rebel and Imperial factions upon completeing the knight trials. it would just be too messed up to push this with the way things are set up now.
ZJedi01 wrote:
As far as dark Jedi having a disadvantage by being hunted by all the npcs instead of half like the rebel jedi, again I say tough. As far as Palpatine is concerned (star wars reference...careful for all those non-star wars fans who expect the game not to be star wars) he doesnt want anyone but him and vader, only two sith there are...a master and apprentice, every other jedi is a threat. If you dont like that plot line, then you dont like star wars...move on. I think that pretty much tidies up all the complaints.
Jagbar
Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:15 pm
#363
i will say this about this part of the GCW revamp. even tho some parts seem flawed. it will encourage people to populate the other cities on the planets than just theed, Cnet, Mos eisley/bestine
CrazyGreen
Tue Feb 08, 2005 11:18 pm
#364
How can you make is so that as Dark jedi the stronger we make planets with our imperial faction the more danger we face. The way the system is set up we are Imperials. There is no way we shoulkd be attacked by the faction we are fighting to put into power. This really needs to be rethought by you guys. Otherwise we will be poenalized for having a firm control on planets.