Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Jedi Revamp Phase I
Leana you are correct about the TEF, but that doesn't mean PvP is inevitable. I have been scanned by STs and made overt many times as a rebel and no player engaged me in combat because I didn't give them time to. ... In addition, I have run rebel missions many times and gotten a TEF and not once have I been attacked by an imperial player while TEF'd. I have engaged in ST mowing (in Kor Vella) several times and, of course had a TEF. Only once in Kor Vella while TEF'd did I encounter an imperial player and he was the unfortunate victim of a rebel CM. I am careful, clever, and cautious.
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If I understand your statements, I can rob a bank but if no one knows, I am not a criminal. Just because no one attacked you (being careful, clever, and cautions) does not mean they can not.
Running away from combat, avoiding combat, thinking ahead to not be placed in position to be attacked, and just plain luck does not mean you were not in PvP. You are in a position to be attacked and as far as I know, that means you are in PvP.
- Does this new 2nd slot only become available once some mysterious program is complete, or is it available straight away to use in hopes of completing that system. (Note: I'm not asking ANYTHING about the unlocksystem... I'm only asking if the 2nd slot can be used attemp the "unlock" of basic force sensitivity).
- If the 2nd slot is 'unlocked', is it at least unlocked in the earliest system (which by assumption is the one that grants basic force sensitivity)?
- The concern here is that if it is only unlocked for knights (as one of your last comment states) … some players (current Jedi) will have had an alt to bankroll their Jedi (pearls etc) to that pointwhile new Jedi will not. In any case, can you at least confirm that this 2nd slot is available before a potential Jedi is required to start altering their main characters significantly? (Otherwise…what's the point?!)
Vac102 wrote:
TH- Thanks a million for responding..Do we have to UNLOCK Force on our main and then level him to Knight to get our second slot..or will everyone be low level force sensative and do quest to get to knight and then unlock our second slot? Just statements from last week made it seem like we would be force sensative and choose to quest to knight and get the slot...not it sounds like we have to quest for Force Sensative and then quest all the way to knight... Thanks
The way I understood it (and maybe I'm wrong here), is that every character is going to be FS from the get-go. All characters already in existence will be FS, and all new characters created will be FS. You can choose to "explore" your force sensitivity through a series of quests and eventually gain a sufficient amount of "control" over the force that you can work into the Jedi profession. Those that don't want to "use the force" on their primary or alt characters will not have to -- they will still be slightly FS, but if they don't want to us it, so be it.
As for the second slot, piecing together a few different posts from TH in a couple different locations, it sounds like you will be able to unlock your second character once you reach Jedi Knight (whether it happens automatically at that point or if there's still something you have to do once you reach that level is unclear -- but reaching Jedi Knight seems to be the common denominator).
Then again, maybe I'm speaking out my wazoo right now and have no idea what I'm talking about. 
This is just my interpretation of it.
I would like to say gj to TH foropening the lines of communicationover the last couple days. There was (understandably) a lot of frustration and anger on these boards when the jedi revamping system was basically just announced with no details at all. I think we all understood the need for secrecy with certain aspects, but not hearing anything at all (particularly in reference to some real genuine concerns that Jedi and non-Jedi alike had) was wearing thin for most.
Thunderheart wrote:
Druc_Beinad wrote:
While that is fine, will you please tell us Does everyone get a second slot?
Yes, anyone who puts in the effort gets the second slot.
IndySWG wrote:
- The concern here is that if it is only unlocked for knights (as one of your last comment states) … some players (current Jedi) will have had an alt to bankroll their Jedi (pearls etc) to that pointwhile new Jedi will not. In any case, can you at least confirm that this 2nd slot is available before a potential Jedi is required to start altering their main characters significantly? (Otherwise…what's the point?!)
Torlekk wrote:
IndySWG wrote:
- The concern here is that if it is only unlocked for knights (as one of your last comment states) … some players (current Jedi) will have had an alt to bankroll their Jedi (pearls etc) to that pointwhile new Jedi will not. In any case, can you at least confirm that this 2nd slot is available before a potential Jedi is required to start altering their main characters significantly? (Otherwise…what's the point?!)
That's a good question... I can think of only one reason why they would make you get pretty far up the Jedi tree and sacrifice some skills before you unlock your second character -- As you indicated at the end of your post, some people aren't going to want to become a Jedi if it means they can't use an alt to support themselves. That's one way to implement Jedi population control.
Why is everyone assuming that it will be necessary to bankroll your jedi with a second character. Everything they have said tells us that Jedi will now have 250SP to use, just like anyone else. Once you have access to the jedi tree, you can have your apprentice jedi skill box and still be a Master TKA to make money running missions (or Artisan, or WS, or anything). As you move farther up the Jedi tree, you are going to have less SP to use in other professions...hence the reason for unlocking a second character slot at Jedi Knight.
First, let me say that I'm assuming (and hoping) that they require a character to use all 250 SP to reach Jedi Master. Hence, once you are a Jedi Knight, you will (likely) not have enough SP to Master an elite profession and therefore, not be able to bankroll your character without a second character slot....
if you are following the logic, since you are unable to Master an elite profession and fund your jedi alone, they are at this point allowing people a second character slot to take over this role, continuing the bankroll with the second character while continuing the jedi run.
The purpose of the second character slot isn't to allow for the Devs to give everyone a character, it is to help make Jedi viable to play in a credit driven economy and Jedi are extremely limited in their ways to raise funds. Jedi have no resources or products to sell. If they do missions off the terminals, they are hunted down immediately by BH's when they pull out their saber or use any skills. This seems to be the ony reason for allowing Jedi Knights a second character...while this may not seem fair to people who are not pursuing the Jedi quest well...
what is stopping you from driving yourself up to JK, unlocking the second character, starting it up, then dropping your force skills (if possible) and using both as non FS characters (one of the potential glitches if jedi skills can be dropped)?