Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Friday Feature Errata: PvP Insurance Yes, 1% decay, not gone.
Terreur69 wrote:
Come on peoples, i cant belive how many "programmer" pop up when something cant be done right now because of tecnical difficulties.... its always seem thatsome of you sudently become an EXPERT coder and know the solution to their problem without even having seen a line of code!!!
Its not because you can do small buisness app ALONE that you know what is it to program in a team for a big system... when you dont even have a clue about the code you are interfaccing with to get all your data.. so please all the college student that think theyare instant expert, learn to take your place and understand that real programming isnt the easy stuff you do in school in 2 weeks!!!
Of courseit could be done. But given infinitetime to program it. But in the real world its not always possible.
TH already gave hint that they run a tight schedule. They have "windows" of programming and developping scheduled for the next several MONTH ( check the post in the droid engineer forum). Do you think that its easy to build a NEW interface between systems to gather data that arent currently there (and arent supposed to be there right now because they have no uses) when they are rebuilding almost EVERY aspect of the game in the next few month???
If the dev want it to be done, it will be. But it cant be done right now and cant certanly take the place of other stuff that are already scheduled. That new stuff will have to wait.
p.s. if it can add credibility, i am a programmer...... did college, worked with databases thendid university .. currently working on translation interfaces program (french/english/spanish).
The MAIN problem here. The MAIN thing causing all of this uproar is that Thunderheart STATED that PvP decay upon insured death was being removed. He didn't say maybe, he didn't say we'll see. He said it will be in Publish 6. The current Publish on TC. The current publish being trickled out. It's even in the patch notes.
So someone lied over there. Plain and simple...
The removal of the decay was the onlt thing I looked forward too in this patch, I don't care about the other stuff...
Now I suppose with this crack down we will be dieing even more with more decay...
Why should I even remain a rebel and engage in PvP? I made warrant officer in the rebelion and now I wonder if I should just resign...
Of course when I ask that question, I have to ask myself if I don't get involved in PvP, then do I even want to just exist in this game at all in just a crafter capacity... Been there, done it...
If this game goes belly up it will be way too easy to point the finger at who caused it..
You devs are getting me way too annoyed with something that is suppose to be my fun pasttime... TonightDune on SciFi has more appeal... Your driving back to TV... thats sad..
bennybanglong wrote:
16 pages in less than 6 hours.
Can you say another MASS EXODUS from this game?
I am holding back how pissed off I am at them for numerous things. They are the ones causing the problems here by keeping silent all day. It's their fault and they deserve what they get...
Aakhperkare wrote:
Terreur69 wrote:Come on peoples, i cant belive how many "programmer" pop up when something cant be done right now because of tecnical difficulties.... its always seem that some of you sudently become an EXPERT coder and know the solution to their problem without even having seen a line of code!!!Its not because you can do small buisness app ALONE that you know what is it to program in a team for a big system... when you dont even have a clue about the code you are interfaccing with to get all your data.. so please all the college student that think they are instant expert, learn to take your place and understand that real programming isnt the easy stuff you do in school in 2 weeks!!!Of course it could be done. But given infinite time to program it. But in the real world its not always possible.TH already gave hint that they run a tight schedule. They have "windows" of programming and developping scheduled for the next several MONTH ( check the post in the droid engineer forum). Do you think that its easy to build a NEW interface between systems to gather data that arent currently there (and arent supposed to be there right now because they have no uses) when they are rebuilding almost EVERY aspect of the game in the next few month???If the dev want it to be done, it will be. But it cant be done right now and cant certanly take the place of other stuff that are already scheduled. That new stuff will have to wait.p.s. if it can add credibility, i am a programmer...... did college, worked with databases then did university .. currently working on translation interfaces program (french/english/spanish).The MAIN problem here. The MAIN thing causing all of this uproar is that Thunderheart STATED that PvP decay upon insured death was being removed. He didn't say maybe, he didn't say we'll see. He said it will be in Publish 6. The current Publish on TC. The current publish being trickled out. It's even in the patch notes.
So someone lied over there. Plain and simple...
Not only did he say it, but he said it weeks ago. We are days away from the release of this patch. They began releasing it's components yesterday. Are they just now figuring out it can't be done, or that the multiple posts they have made on the same subject all had the same mistake in them.
The 1% decay is unreasonable in PvP. The paying insurance is simply peanuts.
The GCW forum was alive with hope, which I had not seen in a significant amount of time. People were actively looking forward to getting back into the GCW with Covert shutdowns removed but more importantly PvP decay gone.
They were fickle over the contraband until we worked it out and TH's announcement this morning on the new Contraband settings made it appear the Devs were about to hit a home run on GCW issues for this publish...
Unfortunately the last minute change that decay is remaining in turned that possible home run into a foul ball, People are already swearing off PvP again since Decay was not removed as we were told. To be honest I dare not post it, but Now contraband TEFs and shuttle runs are not looking like much fun or good gaming...
To be honest it is looking like alot of rebels will be getting griefed by suffering item decay post contraband scans via the game system.
We simply MUST get this addressed prior to live, simply put Something must be done to make sure Decay is gone was promised.
SOLUTIONS, please pick and implement 1:
1) Firstly IF the system can tell I died a PvP death so it will not force me to re get my insurance, well that means the system DOES know the difference between PvE and PvP death, So use what ever thing is figuring out the insurance issue to figure out the decay issue.
Alternatives ARE:
2) If you die as an OVERT you suffer no item decay, (the rebellion or empire compensates Overtly decalred supporters by keeping items in top shape.) This would actually encourage people to go OVERT, encourage GCW participation, and conversely discourage group TEF abuse (TEF users still suffer decay).
3) IF your an Overt for 10 FP you can buy factional insurance, so your next death while OVERT has no item decay (same reasons as stated above)
4) IF your death results in you losing faction points, something the system can and does track prior to you cloning, then you suffer no item Decay.
5) Make ALL insured deaths have 0% decay (PvP and PvE) for the time being. IF you cannot correctly code it to prevent the suffering of the players, then remove it until you can properly code it. Only clothes would not be decaying, and to be frank this did not effect tailors the first half year the game was out, and to be honest it does not effect tailors now since people can still wear disabled clothes. Putting off effective use of clothing decay of course will upset some tailors, but it is not like your taking something from them, they do not have it yet, and remeber this is TEMPORARY, theres no reason to punish the PvP people because you cannot code it just right now.
6) Remove Decay completely, armor decays via weapon damage, Have clothing decay via weapon damage as well, for every "hit" the clothing loses 1 condition, so basically a shirt of 1000/1000 condition and be shot 1000 times before being disabled. Armor already decays via damage taken in combat, Weapons decay based off useage and do not death decay at all. Make the death penalty massive wounds, that the players time not irreplacable items and give doctors more business.
7) Remove decay completely, we had no death penalty for 6 months, Citywarn was removed because of player griefing, the item decay completely disrupts GCW participation and with people getting trapped in thier own cities clone centers allows players to be repeatedly killed and suffer item decay in thier own cities, unless they log off. Remove decay completely until you guys can fix it.
8) Tie decay of items to the TEF Flag, IF you get a TEF flag and die with a TEF type of flag (even overts get the flag) active, no item decay.
PLEASE DO SOMETHING ANYTHING TO SAVE PVP AND THE GCW THIS PUBLISH!!!!!!
/beg;/grovel
JEST3R
Dewdus wrote:
Not only did he say it, but he said it weeks ago. We are days away from the release of this patch. They began releasing it's components yesterday. Are they just now figuring out it can't be done, or that the multiple posts they have made on the same subject all had the same mistake in them.
I'd like to know the answer to that.
Exactly. The system can tell the difference between a PvP death and a PvE death already.
JEST3R wrote:
1) Firstly IF the system can tell I died a PvP death so it will not force me to re get my insurance, well that means the system DOES know the difference between PvE and PvP death, So use what ever thing is figuring out the insurance issue to figure out the decay issue.
Dewdus wrote:
Aakhperkare wrote:
Terreur69 wrote:
Come on peoples, i cant belive how many "programmer" pop up when something cant be done right now because of tecnical difficulties.... its always seem that some of you sudently become an EXPERT coder and know the solution to their problem without even having seen a line of code!!!
Its not because you can do small buisness app ALONE that you know what is it to program in a team for a big system... when you dont even have a clue about the code you are interfaccing with to get all your data.. so please all the college student that think they are instant expert, learn to take your place and understand that real programming isnt the easy stuff you do in school in 2 weeks!!!
Of course it could be done. But given infinite time to program it. But in the real world its not always possible.
TH already gave hint that they run a tight schedule. They have "windows" of programming and developping scheduled for the next several MONTH ( check the post in the droid engineer forum). Do you think that its easy to build a NEW interface between systems to gather data that arent currently there (and arent supposed to be there right now because they have no uses) when they are rebuilding almost EVERY aspect of the game in the next few month???
If the dev want it to be done, it will be. But it cant be done right now and cant certanly take the place of other stuff that are already scheduled. That new stuff will have to wait.
p.s. if it can add credibility, i am a programmer...... did college, worked with databases then did university .. currently working on translation interfaces program (french/english/spanish).
The MAIN problem here. The MAIN thing causing all of this uproar is that Thunderheart STATED that PvP decay upon insured death was being removed. He didn't say maybe, he didn't say we'll see. He said it will be in Publish 6. The current Publish on TC. The current publish being trickled out. It's even in the patch notes.
So someone lied over there. Plain and simple...
Not only did he say it, but he said it weeks ago. We are days away from the release of this patch. They began releasing it's components yesterday. Are they just now figuring out it can't be done, or that the multiple posts they have made on the same subject all had the same mistake in them.
Exactly. It was said weeks ago. NO MENTION OF IT WAS MADE SINCE THE PATCH WENT TO TC. Now all of a sudden it's a no go. Communication? I think not. We as customer are being shafted. I'd like to see TH talk his way out of this one...
How is this a mistake? TH may not have lied, but someone at SOE did. HE SAID IT WAS BEING REMOVED. Period. No if ands or buts about it. Now it's not. Oops...typo. My bad. Have a nice day everybody...
Terreur69 wrote:
Ok so "peoples" will make "mass exodus" of the game because they loose something that.. ho wait,.. what??? its not even live yet???
I dont even recall earing peoples treatening to quit before TH anounced that the 1% was supposed to be gone. So now that it wont actually be gone ( may i remind EVRYONE out there that the 1% decay was NEVER actually removed) you all want to quit??
Typical whining attitude. Been there done that. Was the same with EQ. Was the same with DAOC. IF that is enough to make you quit, may i humbly suggest that you crawl under a rock and never come out again??? You could never survive real life. Real life is full of disapointement, you cant just make a tantrum like cartman in South park when something isnt going to happen like you would had liked.
To actually LIE, someone must want to hide the truth and to misguide peoples. Well TH made a MISTAKE, not a lie!! He taught the 1% was gone and informed us.. isnt that is is job??? Stop treatening his job, he is one of the best. Evrybody can make mistake.. the mistake become a fault if someone refuse to see the mistake or to correct it. that would be bad, but its not the case because its himself that came here and said that he made a mistake...
So if you peoples still want to make a "MASS EXODUS" because of that, well just go.. that make more bandwith for us.