Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Publish 10 ... holocredit for unlockers.
OlisJ wrote:
Kebron wrote:
OlisJ wrote:
I'm not a kid. Do you know what we get? We get jedi iniate not padawan. Thats a different story. I know ho am I to kill (the one with cyberarm Malisea is exit Quest - did it on TC2). I also know that you can fail and not be able to get padawan.
Go and re read JustG's post on top of this one
So: Intro Quest, Exit Quest, and on to Padawan.
Message Edited by Kebron on 08-26-2004 05:33 AM
I think it's you who needs to re read. JustG said what quest you will need to finish.
I've copies and pasted EXACTLY what he said so oh yeah duh I'm the one who needs to re read it.
Geez grow up already.
Kebron wrote:
OlisJ wrote:
Kebron wrote:
OlisJ wrote:
I'm not a kid. Do you know what we get? We get jedi iniate not padawan. Thats a different story. I know ho am I to kill (the one with cyberarm Malisea is exit Quest - did it on TC2). I also know that you can fail and not be able to get padawan.
Go and re read JustG's post on top of this one
So: Intro Quest, Exit Quest, and on to Padawan.
Message Edited by Kebron on 08-26-2004 05:33 AM
I think it's you who needs to re read. JustG said what quest you will need to finish.
I've copies and pasted EXACTLY what he said so oh yeah duh I'm the one who needs to re read it.
Geez grow up already.
This leads nowhere. From initial post we only know that we will need to finish 3 quests (Village FS quests are optional). First and Second quests are the ones to do in an hour not more. The third is not the one which can be done that fast.
Cypher073 wrote:
LordSano wrote:
Veteran Gamers should definatly get credit towards FS, why should those who chose not to take part in what was deemed "unhealthy" for the game, be no better off or worse of than those that started an account 2 months before pub 9 and unlocked.. just not fair I think to those that have always been MBH for example.
While I can understand your reasoning here, I don't agree with it. What you're saying is that you chose to ignore the mechanism in place to achieve Jedi, yet simply because you've been around a long time you think you should get credit toward your force sensitive slot. By similar logic, shouldn't I be entitled to certain rewards in the game even though I chose to not participate in the systems that usually grant them? Should I, for instance, be entitled to the rewards for doing the Rebel theme park even though I chose not to do it, just because I've been around since shortly after launch?
What it boils down to is that you chose not to take part in the only known system to unlock a force sensitive character. It doesn't matter, really, that you chose to do so because you felt it was unhealthy for the game or you had some objection to the implentation. You made that decision knowing full well that doing so would prevent you from playing a Jedi. Force sensitivity in no way should simply be an "old-timer's" perk. SOE gives us paintings, silly sculptures, and spaceships for that. Jedi is something that you should have to work for, and if you want to play one, you must work through the mechanisms designed to achieve that.
LordSano wrote:
Cypher073 wrote:
LordSano wrote:Veteran Gamers should definatly get credit towards FS, why should those who chose not to take part in what was deemed "unhealthy" for the game, be no better off or worse of than those that started an account 2 months before pub 9 and unlocked.. just not fair I think to those that have always been MBH for example.
While I can understand your reasoning here, I don't agree with it. What you're saying is that you chose to ignore the mechanism in place to achieve Jedi, yet simply because you've been around a long time you think you should get credit toward your force sensitive slot. By similar logic, shouldn't I be entitled to certain rewards in the game even though I chose to not participate in the systems that usually grant them? Should I, for instance, be entitled to the rewards for doing the Rebel theme park even though I chose not to do it, just because I've been around since shortly after launch?
What it boils down to is that you chose not to take part in the only known system to unlock a force sensitive character. It doesn't matter, really, that you chose to do so because you felt it was unhealthy for the game or you had some objection to the implentation. You made that decision knowing full well that doing so would prevent you from playing a Jedi. Force sensitivity in no way should simply be an "old-timer's" perk. SOE gives us paintings, silly sculptures, and spaceships for that. Jedi is something that you should have to work for, and if you want to play one, you must work through the mechanisms designed to achieve that.No see because my logic is If i was an MBH only as my mastered ELITE profession how long do you thing I've had everything capped exp wise, or anyone that has been TK rifles for that matter. Dedication to the game is what the dev's attempted to bring out in hologrinding and it caused the wrong dedication. The new system is supposed to be dedication to one's proffession(s) and giaing force sensivity through there. Why should those hologrinders or not who've played this game not see some benifit in force sensativity. I mean they are giving veterans a free ship with JTL. So even if I don't grind creds in prep for JTL I still get a multipassenger ship just for being here.... so there is my reply
Ah heck, I was thinking... It's really not fair that noobs don't get Jedi either. I mean, they couldn't even use holocrons since publish 9 so they couldn't possibly choose the correct professions. And, think about it, they didn't have the money or the time to grind out 32 professions. Oh, and what about the time they are at work or school "thinking" about the game... They should get some type of credit for that too. We also can't forget that they may have more than one account and if they're paying Sony $30 a month instead of $15 a month, they should get some type of XP for that. All noobs join me in lobbying Sony for your JEDI!!!
This is getting rediculous... Every special interest group is representing themselves in this post. It was supposed to be about Post 9 unlockers... The one's who actually "UNLOCKED". But so far I've heard from, the "I did my 4 holocrons and stopped once I went silent, I want my JEDI", the "I have played the game for along time and I'm way to sophistocated to "GRIND", I want my JEDI", and of course, the "I'm a crafter but I can't fight, all I do is make boatloads of money off the grinders but, I want my JEDI too!!".
It's sickening to those of us who stuck with the "grind" to listen to those less able or less willing to do what we did by working through 30+ professions to actually UNLOCK our FS slot. In some respects I feel we, as a group, actually did almost miss the boat... I unlocked about 4 days after pub 9. There were communications prior to patch 9 however that made me comfortable that unlocking post 9 would give me my Jedi so I wasn't too concerned.
The bottom line is that actually unlocking should come with a special bonus. It's the reward for "making it". Those who were close should get something but it shouldn't be as significant as for those who actually made it. All these algorithms I see about 4 holocrons = 80% towards jedi are BS. If it becomes easy to make jedi, and it most certainly was NOT easy for me having to do 29 professions, the game will truely go downhill quickly. Sony has really painted themselves in a corner with the Jedi Frenzy they've created. On one hand they said they wanted Jedi to be rare and on the other hand, their game has been CENTERED around getting Jedi as long as I've been playing it. Without enough content to distract the large majority of the players from wanting to become Jedi, this game will fold... If you don't believe me about the game being centered around becoming Jedi, see what happens next Tuesday and count the people that you know who will be doing the Jedi quests...
Oh, by the way, I ACTUALLY UNLOCKED, can I have my Jedi?
Peace all.
No-Ni wrote:
LordSano wrote:
Cypher073 wrote:
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Ah heck, I was thinking... It's really not fair that noobs don't get Jedi either. I mean, they couldn't even use holocrons since publish 9 so they couldn't possibly choose the correct professions. And, think about it, they didn't have the money or the time to grind out 32 professions. Oh, and what about the time they are at work or school "thinking" about the game... They should get some type of credit for that too. We also can't forget that they may have more than one account and if they're paying Sony $30 a month instead of $15 a month, they should get some type of XP for that. All noobs join me in lobbying Sony for your JEDI!!!
Well, I also don't agree that "noobs" should get Jedi abilities. Here's the problem as I see it though; you have people, lets call them 'casual gamers' that play/have played SWG a max of maybe 5-7 hours a week since launch. I know because I used to play with alot of these types of folks. You'd see these folks killing moisture thiefs out in the middle of nowhere for instance, invite them into your PA,then mabye seem them a few times a week for half hour at a time. These subscribers, paying the same subscription as everyone else, never really had a realistic chance of opening a FS character slot then (grinding holocron professions), and are certain to never see it now with the huge normal xp to FS xp conversion (I used 30:1 that I had seen in perhaps one of the other TC threads during this last week, does anyone have the actual conversion?). What do you tell those folks that joined thinking they'd have a fair shot at being a Jedi? Remember before you answer, doing non-solo enraged Rancor missions is inconceivable to many of them...
I think though that your sarcasm in your above paragraph is unwarranted though, as alot of these people won't stay around anymore so the cry will fade soon enough. To be reasonable, try to see how those folks see it though, and how they might feel a little ripped-off at this point. It's no mystery that we are fed information in such a fashion that people will keep subscribing just tosee some 'promised' content finally delivered. See the recent GCW re-bal debacle for instance. Heck, you're made from the start to believe you can be a Jedi in SWG. A default install of Windows XP and opening these forums for the first time shows 3 Jedi holdling sabers in the forum banner!
This is getting rediculous... Every special interest group is representing themselves in this post. It was supposed to be about Post 9 unlockers... The one's who actually "UNLOCKED". But so far I've heard from, the "I did my 4 holocrons and stopped once I went silent, I want my JEDI", the "I have played the game for along time and I'm way to sophistocated to "GRIND", I want my JEDI", and of course, the "I'm a crafter but I can't fight, all I do is make boatloads of money off the grinders but, I want my JEDI too!!".
Well, once the team caved in (IMNSHO) to the post 9 unlockers outcry, the floodgates were opened. Post 9's didn't hesitate hijacking the Eclipse thread for their own purpose now did they?
It's sickening to those of us who stuck with the "grind" to listen to those less able or less willing to do what we did by working through 30+ professions to actually UNLOCK our FS slot. In some respects I feel we, as a group, actually did almost miss the boat... I unlocked about 4 days after pub 9. There were communications prior to patch 9 however that made me comfortable that unlocking post 9 would give me my Jedi so I wasn't too concerned.
Huge difference between less willing and less able. The less able folks had no shot before and certainly don't have one now unless they plan on still converting xp into the year 2010. But yeah, I agree less willing - too bad forya.
The bottom line is that actually unlocking should come with a special bonus. It's the reward for "making it".
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/agree It just has to be reachable by all subscribers though. I snipped your remark about the Jedi frenzy they've (SOE) createdbut you're completely correct. It's a huge issue and a show stopper for a lot of people, I'd bet even more so than the fabled GCW re-bal.
I don't have the level of compassion you do for new or casual players. They should not be able to ever get Jedi, period. Unless the point of Jedi has changed, they are supposed to be rare, reserved for 5% of the population. Yeah, it seems like "everyone" is a jedi right now but that simply isn't true. I'm guessing, based on some statistics I've seen, that each server has around 25,000 characters. I think it's probably higher than that but it's a rough estimate. If 5% of those players get Jedi, that's 1250 jedi per server. I don't even think there are that many so the illusion that "everyone" is a jedi is just that, an illusion. Removing the TEF system made it possible for us to see them much more often than before.
Again, if Sony thinks this game would be better served by making it easy to become Jedi and their bleeding hearts feel sorry for the noob who doesn't have time to play and they give them Jedi for a song, this game is done with. I think they're smarter than that... A long grind to jedi will insure long term revenue and will give those with the goal of becoming Jedi something to strive for. What's missing is the "what the hell do I do now that I've Mastered my profession, gotten all the badges, amassed 40 million credits, and have my house all decorated nice and pretty...". If they don't answer that quickly, people will quit. You see, the alternative prior to publish 10 has been to grind for your jedi... They need something else to distract the masses from the Jedi grind.