Development Cycle Archive

Thread: Friday Feature Errata... Part 2...

Raz-X
Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:16 pm
#300

I've solved the '2 different game mechanics' problem!!

vPDeath
;Apply faction point hit
%Playername.Killed.In.Pvp == on
goto clone

:Clone
if (%Playername.Killed.In.Pvp == on) {/del %Playername.Killed.In.Pvp | goto NoDecay}
;Apply Insurance Decay
:NoDecay
;Spawn

I bet I'll hear something like "Our system doesn't support variables."



Raz Dakarn
Professional Jedi Hunter
Mistwaver
Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:19 pm
#301

Decay is arguably the worse feature in SWG. I know it, the devs know it, and the community knows it.I've lost thousands and thoursands of credits worth of armor from decay. I insure everything in my inventory every time I die and it still decays all to hell. I just bought a full set of 60% kinetic ubese and after a week it's already below half condition, and I don't die that often. Hell, long as you keep your items insured they shouldn't become decayed. You're constantly dumping credits in the insurance terminal, that's bad enough without having to worry about an uncraftable item destroying itself from becoming decayed.


Because of decay I'm scared to go out and try hard quests because I know if I do I have a bigger chance in dieing and killing my armor than being rewarded for completing the quest. One things for sure, faction armor shouldn't decay unless it takes damage. It couldn't be as simple as that. It's hard enough to get without worrying about decay destroying it for you. I won't even go off planet with my marine armor in my inventory.


If it wasn't for decay I would probably participatein more PvE quests more often but runining a full set of armor because of decay is ridiculous. The interesting quests can be difficult, and you're going to die attempting them.


It's a shame they can't think of a better way to penalize death besides destroying someone's items for them.


As I said, long as someone's dumping credits in the insurance terminal their items shouldn't decay.



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Mariki
Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:44 pm
#302

I will not PvP now.


They will not force me into PvP with the Imperial crackdown and If I have to resign my faction, so be it.


I cancelled my account yesterday morning because of this and things aren't made right by the time my account runs out, March 1st, I am outta here to explore other gaming options.





Mariki Lee, Ex Rifleman
Last day Dec 2nd
Death by NGE
- All Hope Gone
Scumbiote
Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:50 pm
#303






Belasarius wrote:

TH


What are you talking about???!!!


Just get rid of the 1% decay in PVP!!!!

Our armor and weapons decay enough through use!!!!

I cant afford to buy outrageously priced composite armor every week!!!!

I don't want to pay faction points for a crappy 24 hour decay free zone!!!

i want to PVP and i want to do it NOW!!!!

GET RID OF THE 1% DECAY at DEATH!!!!

HOW FRICKIN HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND????






I basically agree to what he's said.





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Syrillius
Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:06 pm
#304

Well...... all this gives us the following message: The devs want to make the game without the community.

They seem to think they know better than the players, what is good and what is bad for the fun in the game.
They dont need to tell us reasons, they just know it better.

This makes me a bit sad actually.

Sometimes i see steps in the right direction (Imp crackdown ect.), but then come things like this.......



IGN: Ahshyrian
Sherllock
Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:07 pm
#305

WHAT THE HELL DID YOU DO to this game. First weak even with the buggyness I had never had a better time in game. I remember meeting my friends Jors and Dretonn, i introduced myself and took a seat at the mos eisely cantina. I bought my new friends a couple beers and we sat and talked about how we can't kill the **edit** Giant Worrts. I loved getting hassled by the valarians. Made so much sense to me. Now I have 80% compo, master doc, cm, rifleman. What can't i kill. Oh wait, a krayt.... well i never get a chance to see krayts. So apart from that, I feel like i am the greatest thing since sliced bread. It sucks, so much. I want to replay those days when i found i could make some cool new food and give it to my friends. I remember seeing my first tat medium house. It was so cool, i just went in and sat and greeted the owner. YOu have butchered a perfect oppurtunity. The only reason people still play is because they still have the same dream. They want to live in a world where the empire hassles rebels, where the richest people in the game are not the exploiters, and where a person with 80% compo can get his ass whooped going outside or going afk at the wrong time. One more thing.... this GCW is the worst. I staged a complete GCW with my old pa. I had to make a GCW within the GCW. WOW. Now on to the topic....

Finally you have an oppurtunity to make this game a little more fun. I bought suits of armor for my friends. We all got set up. We were ready for this no item decay. We planned on hunting but just needed a little break from this decay. There are so many ways to die in pvp that they have got to remove this decay. Being a cm, if you don't have a doc in your group or pretty experienced, I have won and you are going to be paying a good 2k for your equiptment not to mention the nice 1% decay on it. Look I am going to put my armor away... unless i go hunting on endor or dant. I will not deal with this decay anymore because to be honnest, my armor is too nice to be wasting on SOE. Remove the decay so this GCW can get better. If you do not, this game will continue to not have the feel it used to in the beginning of the game. The better players will continue to leave. You will still get paid your money because this is Star Wars not because you guys are good at making a game. I will continue to be a rich pain poisoning everything and simply hassling people because at least they will give me a challenge rather than these NPC's.

FIX THE GAME, I AM TIRED OF THIS.
I know your tricks that you use to try to keep playing the game. Put Steak in front of the starving dog and watch him run after it. Well, you don't have to do that. Enough of this wait for the update, i promise it will get better to keep membership. Just do a nice job, make a world that George Lucas would say this is amazing. Create A star wars galaxy.

I will have to live with your poor choice on decay but I will continue to try to make this game more star warsy for my friends and I expect you to do it too.

SHEK TASAYON
Whatever profession swg messes up and makes uber so i don't get killed



Shek Tasayon
mmaughme
Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:14 pm
#306




Trystan1969 wrote:


This game isn't growing. When was the last time you heard actual numbers of SWG population? Notice you can't see the numbers online anywhere? Other games have them, SWG doesn't. That's so people can't tell if the game is going up or down.



Try creating a new character on another server sometime turing primetime. You'll notice that almost ever server is lightly loaded. I think it's pretty damning evidence that people have been leaving the game in droves.





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ArkonPhoenix
Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:17 pm
#307

Dear JustG, the community does not have a problem with TH. It may seem like that, but he is just caught in the middle. I understand this and I hope everyone else does too. But my biggest gripe is why do the Devs not grant the request of everyone playing/paying? From readingwhat the majority says on these boards, they dont seem to listen or care. Im glad TH tries and fight for us, but the Devs dont seem to listen to he either then.And now we come to the Decay issue, which they (the devs) finally buckled and gave us what we asked, but now its being taken away. Thanks is just not right and I hope they change there mind to make a happy comminity again.


In my personal opionion, if your looking for a solution for the decay issue, I dont have one. Because there are already so many great suggestions on this topic already here and in other threads. I just ask that the decay get removed until this can be resolved by a permanent solution that we all can agree on. Until then, I will keep killing creatures, not other players.





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Click here for "Arkon’s Ideas and Suggestions for SWG".
Huntin
Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:22 pm
#308

Just a couple questions here....



If you are not going to listen to the community that pays your salary, why even fake it? Be honest with us. Tell us that you are going to make this game how you see fit and nothing that we say or do will have any effect on it whatsoever.


That would be fine. At least you'd be looking us in the eye before we get bent over. Mister Gary stated to place the blame on his shoulders. You know what happens in most companies when blame for a mistake is rested squarely on the shoulders of one man? Yeah...thought you did. "YOU" from the SWG community includes everyone from sony, right down to the little guy who delivers the coffee in the mornings. So when YOU made a mistake, YOU made it. Deal with it.


Crafters don't sit here crying about their stuff not working or the gameplay being too horrible. Ok, so DE's and MA's were whining for a while, but arch's now make better items, and DE's are going to get screwed forever because you can't handle the code to match the proffesion. We know that.


But for the most part, PVPer's make the game exciting. Armor decays naturally when taking damage. If the guy is not pvp'ing, then he's tanking some animals. Using the MCH to tank the animal. Armor is not getting trashed. There is no monster in this game that can not be taken out with 3 guys. This includes your undefeatable krayt dragons. So the decay of 20 imperials against 20 rebels verse the decay of a graul mauler tanking the monstors while 20 rebels and 20 imperials shoot it.....let me see here..stuff is gonna decay faster on which one?


Give it a break, take your "I wanna make this a faction reward for 24 hours" bullcrap and stick it. There is no way for us to tell..but when its a pvp death you don't have to insure again....lies...lies...lies. Be honest, we might actually start to respect you if you try it out for size.






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Indeed buddy!.....can I join your PA?
Reldun
Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:35 pm
#309






XenoZephyr wrote:

As a crafter i see decay as being renewable business. Its ESSENTIAL to the economy of SWG. If decay by death is such a great deal.. deal with it.






Well as a crafter I totally disagree. Weapons do not decay on death and my business is fine...armor does not need to be hit both by use and by death period. There doesn't need to be a difference for pvp vs pve...decay on death for armor needs to be taken out completely.



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Fugee
Thu Feb 05, 2004 1:37 pm
#310

Thanks for the heads up Gary...
BlackEdge
Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:43 pm
#311

What's sad is there are numerous other ways to enforce penalties for dying, but since the developers are hell bent that decay upon death is the only solution, they're just stuck on that. Hard headed in my opinion...

Aren't developers suppose to be open minded and take consideration of anything that's viable?



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Auraboron
Thu Feb 05, 2004 4:10 pm
#312

JustG - You are a senior producer, and you just decided to change the system AND didn't bother to tell TH. How in the world do you still have a job?


TH - I do not envy your job. Not at all.


PvP Item decay is a MAJOR MISTAKE.


Leaving it in is a BAD IDEA.


There are roughly 38+ pages of posts listing the many and varied reasons.


For Forcesakes - Do any of you... at all... have the ability to listen to the Player Base?


Do anyone of you have the juice to stand up to whatever idiot thought leaving PvP item decay in was a good idea, shove a printout of all these posts in his/her face, and get the goddman thing set right?


We don't want excuses. We don't want your lies. I don't think there can be any doubt that the player community has spoken loud and clear on this topic.


Fix it.




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