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Thread: Publish 8.2 Feedback: Death Watch Bunker

Mordred13th
Wed May 26, 2004 5:20 am
#248






Saratoga wrote:




Mandalorian Armor can be worn by Master Commandos, Master Bounty Hunters, Master Rangers and Master Squad Leaders.





Why not Carbineers? We are the ones with the mercenary title!



Well BAM! Who can rightfully argue with that?




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Witter
Wed May 26, 2004 5:22 am
#249






Mordred13th wrote:





Saratoga wrote:




Mandalorian Armor can be worn by Master Commandos, Master Bounty Hunters, Master Rangers and Master Squad Leaders.





Why not Carbineers? We are the ones with the mercenary title!



Well BAM! Who can rightfully argue with that?





ok i really don't get rangers and squad leaders? that i have no clue on lol

Saabotage
Wed May 26, 2004 5:22 am
#250






darth-dragon wrote:

I LOVE THE BUNKER i dont care that its hard thats the point any well exp. group that has done raids or city takeovers knows how to teal with these things i only had 2 problems



1. no one was use the key you get from boba there for the bunker spen all this time trying to kick ppl out and it could not keep up so it set ppl in for a short tiem when it figured it out it kick them back out again that was causing major lag


2. related to first since so much lag i crashed about 6 times and could not get back on my server and when i did it took me literaly about 5min. to preform a action like shoot id be dead befor i can see what killd me or run


that is all keep up the good work .






I LIKED IT TOO!!!



I played it late in Central Standard Time in the US. It was hard. But hardley IMPOSSIBLE. i found that some times the Black Sun guys and Super Battle droids, and battle droids didn't even attack when i first went into the rooms. We went through the first 3 room with 8 people. If i had 2 groups i could have done it with ease, a gruop of 20 just hard.


Would be nice if they had some new and different stuff to loot.




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STELFSALOT
Wed May 26, 2004 5:39 am
#251

I went to the bunker last night. I never set foot inside as I couldn't get into a group, so I camped outside the perimeter and helped people by giving them a place to rest. From what I saw of the MOBs coming out on occasion this stands to be a very exciting addition. I stand to gain very little (professionally, as I am a Wookiee Ranger/Pikeman) from venturing forth into the bunker but was very excited to hang around here. This was the first Dungeon I had ever seen (playing since Beta 3 believe it or not).


I have left the game and I have come back and I can honestly tell you that reasons like this brought me back. I look forward to crawling through with my PA.





Fearghal the B.F.W.
"I'll stand O'er your grave 'til I am sure that you're dead" - Greatest Wookiee Poet
Firetracker
Wed May 26, 2004 5:43 am
#252


Have you made it out to the bunker yet?

Yes


What were your experiences?

Death & more Death.


What is your opinion of this new adventure zone?

Not Fun.
NolanVoid
Wed May 26, 2004 5:48 am
#253

MIght as well have the bobafett look alikes equipped with pistols that launch live krayts at you




a tactical krayt launcher



better yet, tape smaller, but more vicious krayts onto the claws of the launched krayts


there you go, death watch bunker.



Ii wonder if content for a Weaponsmith/ critter handler will EVER be available. At this point, I'm doubting it.


want my suggestion? let me make and mount cannons/turrets on my torton,. hell he is named gamera anyway, i want mechagamera


or maybe just a platform on top, so me and a friend or to can chat and lounge while letting my giant beastie walk around.


while im ranting, whats with the nabooinan tusk-cat riders... if they can be ridden by the naboo, what about the rest of CH's?



Ah well


better find my happy place


Jorgen Vonstrangle


"Timmy turner will pay for this!"






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Rootif
Wed May 26, 2004 5:57 am
#254

I gottat say, like everyone else, its extrememly hard, but im not so sure its not just right. The only thing that would make it better are the shear number of SBD's. Even if they were replaced by equivalent Death Watch or Black Sun soliders - we would at least be able to apply state attacks.


I went with a pretty decent group last night, about 16 of the 20 were good players and we made it about 1/2 way through. By the time we got 1/2 way though, we were down to 9 members and it was too much to handle at that point. I had top tier Comp Armor and its down to about 1/7 of its overall condition, and I went through 2 vk's tanking. I could see it only being worth it, if everyone in the group gained something if they all got to the end. If only one group member gained something after so many peoples hard work, that would be a little absurd. Cant do it 20 times in a row for everyone to get something - dont have enough millions of dollars to replace my sets of food/drink crates, full sets of armors, crates of vk's.


Not to mention, I can only stay for around 4 hours b/c my bf reaches +500 and I cant do anything at that point. But I think a lot of players have forgotten what "rare" means when trying to loot the Mando Armor. B/c it is rare, the bunker should be hard, how hard? .. im not so sure..



Rootif Owri

JTL Beta
RozhlokLightningskull
Wed May 26, 2004 5:59 am
#255

I haven't been to the duengon yet, and I already have a major problem with it from a SW continuity standpoint. What the heck where you thinking with this? Look at the last three dungeons. Geo Cave, Vette, DWB. There are battle droids in the Corvette, with Imperial, Rebel or CoreSec forces. There are battle droids in the DWB, with a splinter group of Mando-freaking-lorians.


Now I don't know how much you folks at SOE know about Star Wars, or how much Haden even knows about it; but battle droids were utilized by the Trade Federation (namely the cowardly race Nemoidians) to fight their wars for them because they were to cowardly to fight themselves. The idea that the Empire, CoreSec or the Alliance would use BDs is slightly off. However, the idea that Mandolorians would use BDs is a travesty, no its a sham, no its a mockery; ITS A TRAVESHAMOCKERY! Mandolorians lust for battle; to kill and be killed. They have no other objective in life other than to make war only for the sake of the glory of battle No way would they have a droid do their fighting for them. Did *any* of you bother to play KotOR in the last six months?


Now I realize the game mechanics of why you would utilize BDs. You can't bleed a BD, you can't poison a BD and you can't disease a BD. But, for the love of Jebus please think of a more creative approach because what this dungeon looks like to me is a bunch of stuff some 13 year old thought would be cool all thrown together with no rhyme or reason. There is one place BDs make sense in thispoint in the SW timelineand that's the GeoCave. At least I can buy into that. But, we are seeing these things all over the place now. Why is that? There is not one BD in theold movies. Why? Because they were wiped out by the Empire/Republic thats why! They were proven obsolete by clone armies because droids couldn't think like sentient beings and the droids had to be centrally controlled. The Empire or the Alliance using BDs would be akin Americans using German Zepplins from WWII to drop napaulm in Vietnam.


It just doesn't make sense. I don't mind the duengon being "too hard" because I believe that there are plenty of small group, or solo dungeons in the game already. The Warren can be done solo by most people who are elite/hybrid combat masters with buffs and armor. The Geo-Cave can be done with a smallish (1-5) group of elite masters. The Vette can be done with a well ogranized group of 10. The DWB sounds like all out mayhem for 100 of your closest ninja looting friends. Which is fine. But, don't but Mandalorians fighting next to Battle Droids. Its like putting Zorro in a movie with King Arthur.




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Areriye
Wed May 26, 2004 6:06 am
#256






Barb-Wire wrote:

havent tried it yet but my initial reaction is: whats the point???


i really dont like being negative but this trend to making things more and more like EQ is getting out of hand. so far this is the second dungeon oriented to the upper .1% of the community. the things taht most of us REALLY enjoy are the story arcs. those were a LOT of fun and i know i would rather see more of those than these uber dungeons with their uber loot that require us to camp a uber NPC that spawns with uber stats and only once every 24 hours and you need a uber group to fight it then you have to fight over who actually gets to keep said loot. those are the things that make EQ so dull.


i am just worried that the JTL expansion will force people into PVPjust to fly XWINGS or TIES and continue with this uber loot and uber group trend.




This about hits it... content seems to be aimed at the uber leet combats or the new Jabba contina for noncombats. The 'less uber' professions have a ahrd time with this, and don't even TRY doing this with a wookiee.

I support that the devs are coming out with content for us, but this is just too hard to be enjoyed.




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d0qtrX
Wed May 26, 2004 6:13 am
#257






SWG-Runesabre wrote:





yarble wrote:
oh one more thing. asides from the whine factor, why is mandolorian armor reserved for only commandos and bh's. arent mandolorians mercenaries???? no one else gets profession specific armor. if someone gets through this dungeon, i think it gives them the right ot wear it. dont you??????






Mandalorian Armor can be worn by Master Commandos, Master Bounty Hunters, Master Rangers and Master Squad Leaders.






Wow. Master SQL. I think there are about 2 on my server.


TK316de
Wed May 26, 2004 6:13 am
#258








Witter wrote:


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this is the first time i have actually seen sony put something in game and implement it almost perfectly. so those who think it too hard... SHOVE IT! and get a big group. this bunker was not designed for casual gamers, and it was never marketed as such, so DEAL WITH IT!




But that is EXACTLY the point.


There is NOTHING interesting for casual players.


Yes..let me craft my 1 millionth shirt or kill my 50.000th gnort. Wow...great content.


I'm sick of all you heavy power gamers who think this game was made for you to have fun only...


When does the paying mayority (that's the casual gamer for U) gets to have some fun when playing this game ?


Yes, a power gamer *can* get the needed skills for high lvl things. But I for one refuse to let the content of this game dictate my play. Take the hologrind as an example...a lot of ppl were forced to hologrind to *maybe* get the force slot opened. And look what it got the game into...loads of afk-grinders (or atk-grinders) who are not really happy.


Look, we (at least me) dont want this over-uber-power-let's-get-killed-fast content to be nerfed if you all love it so much.


But there are players who DON'T want to get heavy fighting skills to have interesting content.


(OK, I'm drifting away a bit, bt I just want to make sure, you get it)


All we ask for is give the mid-level interesting content as well. You want a challenge ? Fine, get killed multiple times in the corvette or the DWB. But give those a managable challenge, who dont have THE TEMPLATE.



/rant off, commence flaming at will




Hotte Hue
Bothan from Hell
Troll Initiate
TARQ > ALL
TK316de
Wed May 26, 2004 6:17 am
#259

I wrote myself:


"Yes, a power gamer *can* get the needed skills for high lvl things. "



Sorry..."power gamer" in previous post was meant to be casual gamer.


Move along.





Hotte Hue
Bothan from Hell
Troll Initiate
TARQ > ALL
Starwind13
Wed May 26, 2004 6:19 am
#260

I like it, finnally a place where raids make sence. Nothing like geting 20 people in a group and just causeing chaose, most fun ever.


NOTE: This was never intended to be a solo place. If it was then everyone wuould have mando armor .






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