Development Cycle Archive
Thread: The Path of the Jedi: Reckoning of Effort
youtoo54
Sat Sep 04, 2004 9:48 am
#2432
Ok heres my deal. I started the holo grind after i had mastered 6 professions. I did 2 prof with holos and the third went silent. So the i started on my silent profession and ground out 16 more professions and finaly just gave up(got tired of grinding) now im at the village and i only get to unlock 2 free branches! **edit**!
Dagrin
Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:11 am
#2433
So you did a total of what, 24 professions and only got 2 branches? That means 4 of the hidden professions you missed were amoung the 6 professions you skipped. That is statistically very unlucky. Had the devs made a straight 5 professions = 1 branch you would have gotten 4, almost 5. That really sucks.
shingara
Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:09 am
#2434
Just a quick question boss man, how do i know how many hidden proffs i may have done i did one holo i know that cos i got holocron and grinded it, which i hated but then i mastered a few more proffs till i found out what i liked and what suited my style of play, so any help would be good as i like the adventure and the roleplaying and i have lol way to many hutt and jabba points to do there quest and would never even contemplate doing the imp quests so im not going to get all the badges like way so many ppl say is how u unlock the new system, thanks shing 
Drazah
Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:30 am
#2435
I was very excited about this new system for the Jedi. I got the old man and the sith within a week. Journeyed to the village got my 4 free branches. THEN it happened after crunching some numbers I found I need 73.5 MILLION xp to reach enough FSxp to become a jedi. Now I understand not everyone should be Jedi because of the whole Star Wars Story. I have been playing this game since 2 days after the release last year. I never just wanted to be a jedi but with the lack of any interesting changes to the game I thought what the hell I will go for it. You said the jedi would be a quest based system more than grinding. Ok I bite I did one FS quest then oh no look out now I find no more quest and 73.5 MILLION xp infront of me and my goal. You need not worry about everyone becoming jedi because everyone is gonna BURNOUT from MORE GRINDING. I personally hope Jump to Lightspeed is VERY impressive because that will be the ONLY thing that may keep my account with this game.
Arcana
.....Mastered the Profession
of XP burnout
Dagrin
Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:35 am
#2436
Hard to say, it depends on how many professions you completed at random. Since you only finished one Jedi Holocron hint you're not garenteed to get any credit at all. If you finshed 5 or less total professions, I wouldn't keep your hopes up, but if you have more than that I would estimate about 1 free branch every 5 professions, more or less depending on luck
Dagrin
Sat Sep 04, 2004 11:57 am
#2437
Drazah wrote:
I was very excited about this new system for the Jedi. I got the old man and the sith within a week. Journeyed to the village You said the jedi would be a quest based system more than grinding. Ok I bite I did one FS quest then oh no look out now I find no more quest and 73.5 MILLION xp infront of me and my goal. You need not worry about everyone becoming jedi because everyone is gonna BURNOUT from MORE GRINDING. I personally hope Jump to Lightspeed is VERY impressive because that will be the ONLY thing that may keep my account with this game.
I think anyone that has a feeling for the whole picture agrees with you. From the math the new system requires equal of greater amounts of time to grind all the XP, and while it's more healthy for the community to eliminate "profession grinding" the player is harmed by the change because the best path is now involves XP grinding equal to mastering the SAME profession 30 times over. At least while profession grinding the player was experiencing new things.
Now the real fix is to make the XP scale fair of FS skills, and the Exit quest for Jedi Padawan to be almostunbearably challanging (involving things like solo-instanced dungeons).
With the combat revamp we can hope that PvE at the master level will be enough fun to make a more reasonable XP curve for FS skills tolerable, and becoming an actual Jedi can be gated with a fair system offering a REAL challange rather than a hair pulling contest.
can-i-car
Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:13 pm
#2438
Captains log stargate.. meh what the f**k is going on, im getting sick and tired of all these people complaining about jedi, yes i'm one of them so im flaming myself, i've been flaming my guild.
I log on was nline for 15hrs no oldman a fellow guildie logs on and gets the oldman after 3mins online whats the deal with that? i had the glowy status 24hrs before him but what the hey it's all group based right TH?
Well after numerous amounts of days online waiting for this oldman i have decided to make a character called oldman and just stand around in a starport selling force crystals LOL, or i could pick up some more professions and grind the exp to cap then drop it down to novice and cap some more exp, sure it would take about 8hrs on quenkers to master a combat prof but hey whats left to do.. Wait i could pick up smuggler and slice some locked containers.. wait they are bugged, i could get Doctor... wait i can't heal.. i could get ranger.. then drop it. TH you have a problem on your hands
Well after numerous amounts of days online waiting for this oldman i have decided to make a character called oldman and just stand around in a starport selling force crystals LOL, or i could pick up some more professions and grind the exp to cap then drop it down to novice and cap some more exp, sure it would take about 8hrs on quenkers to master a combat prof but hey whats left to do.. Wait i could pick up smuggler and slice some locked containers.. wait they are bugged, i could get Doctor... wait i can't heal.. i could get ranger.. then drop it. TH you have a problem on your hands
why dont you roll back the servers before christmas when you gave out holocrons.. instead of thinking of ways to nerf every aspect of it, we are ALL getting sick and tired of the flames etc.. from both sides your side promises us then changes there mind because they 'fixed' some bugs when infact they introduced more bugs.
From ourside we just expect Jedi on day of release of publish 10, we expect things to be done when you ask for our feedback instead you take what we say and remove it from the game if it was ever in there, your slowly nerfing professions, you can't convert CH exp to FS exp, the rates are crap, the customer support here i can't even get into that because it's too in depth..
I'm logging now to find the oldman then shoot him 
Alixir
Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:28 pm
#2439
I have to agree with famineX this new system and the xp-fsxp is nothing shy of RIDICULOUS.
for people who did not get a free branch..like myself...you have a better chance of being eaten by a shark in the desert, than you do of making even Padawan in the next 3-4 months.
If these people at SOE think that I am going to grind my ass off for 8-10 hours every day for the next 3 months just to make padawan, they can take my copy of SWG and cram it up thier arse.
People that fall into my catagory are
1/ going to get very bored of this game and stop playing it.
2/ get very frustrated with the fact that no matter what they do, they still won't even get to play with a training lightsabre in the next 5 months, and cease to play.
3/ just give up and say "well would have been nice being a jedigues I can always play somethin else" and cease to play.
at any rate there are probably a lot of people that read these posts by we the little people and say...quit you whinin' but honestly....get out a calculator and do the math.
lets do the math together...we'll take Heightened senses...Luck I. for example because it seems I have niether in this game.
Heightened Senses---Luck I 175,000 fsxp
(if you are not med..you will probably have to use scouting xp to convert..like myself)
Scouting xp is 1-8.
so 175,000 X 8 = 1,400,000 scouting xp (for 1st box)
now if I go hunting rancors I can get about 400-500xp for harvesting them
1,400,000 / 500 = 2800 rancors needed to harvest for 1st box
I have to kill 2800 Rancors...just for 1 box.
So with that in mind the only way that I can become a Jedi is if I uninstall this game...and play
STAR WARS **Jedi Knight** Jedi Academy.
thank you SOE...for wastingmy time...also thank you for your prompt reply when I sub. a ticket regarding how I never got my reward after finishing 6 hours of patrols...I love how you can just sit back and say ahh well tough **edit**.
Alixir
Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:41 pm
#2440
Also today I talked to a guy that had been awarded 2 free branches.
This person had mastered 1 more proff then I did and only had 25+ badges.
I have 75+ badges and mastered 1 less then this guy and I get NO free branches......so Devs..SOE..whoever....can you please tell me....
WHAT THE BLOODY HELL IS UP WITH THAT????????
can-i-car
Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:50 pm
#2441
The game is going down the pan they just can't be arsed to announce a date when it does.
I'm not going to get jump to lightspeed if the customer service hasn't improved and content is added.
Roicou
Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:11 pm
#2442
lol you at least go 4 free branches...look at me I have to grind out all 6 do you know how much xp that is if I only use unarmed....
unarmed 193,500,000xp = 6,450,000 fsxp....and yes I know that I can also factor combat xp into that....but honestly..I didn't even add the 50,000 fsxp for the novice either.
thats a lot of hours of grinding the same thing....lol what the hell were the DEVS thinking......wow after just figuring this all out...I suddenly don't feel like playing the game anymore....how can I in good concious, honestly log onto this game and play knowing that my efforts a futile.
IF THE DEVS DO DECIDE TO REVAMP THE XP-FSXP CONVERSION.....THEY BETTER DO IT SOON CAUSE IF THEY WAIT TOO LONG PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE PISSED BECAUSE THEY WILL FEEL LIKE THEY WASTED THIER TIME.
...and if the devs decide to just let it ride the way it is....chances are great that this games future...will be short. The Devs have a lot of thinking to do over the next little while. Lets hope that they decide to do something for the whole community and casual gamers for once..instead of only for a select group of people.
This Build 10 had great potential to be one of the coolest builds of them all, and they bunked it. Not only the Jedi but the merchant got smacked too(although good in some ways) not being able to lace items in my vendor cause I surrendered the skill is completely obsurd. Honestly do you think that someone wants to do nothing but be a master merchant....I see a serious change in the economy coming soon, and it will not favour the casual gamer, or new people to the game one bit.
So I know that TH probably won't read this....and some people will probably say aww quit your bitchen but seriously..put yourselves in our shoes for 1 min sit back and try to comprehend what it feels like to sit here and say..."damn I gotta grind 193,500,000xp to be a jedi." That honestly makes playing this game...a lot less apealing.
sry for the whine post.
Oh don't forget that this just gets you to Jedi Initiate. You aren't REALLY much of a Jedi at that point. So basically you need to get all that xp just so you can wield a light saber and get your butt kicked by almost any elite profession.
I had stopped playing SWG for a couple months waiting for this publish. When it came out I was all excited about the new quest based system. I started playing SWG agian. Got my access to the village and got my 4 free branches for hologrinding. So I was so excited that I only needed 2 more branches to finally be able to wield a light saber. After spending around 4 or 5 hours doing a single quest (and omg that was horribly boring, running 8 waypoints 10 times) I finally unlocked another branch. Now I find out that under the old system I could have opened my slot after only 58 million more xp (12 professions) and under this new system I now need 73 million xp just to fill the last 2 branches. And that just gets me to Jedi Initiate. This is totally ridiculous. I absolutely refuse to grind out my same profession (TKM) 60 more times just to become a Jedi Initiate. Needless to say, my big bubble of renewed excitement is now deflated. This is just crazy. I don't know who is running the show for this game but they really botched it up AGAIN this time. I just can't continue to play this game.
I hope the best of luck to all you people who are able to deal with this nonsense and stay. Hopefully SOE will fix these blunders eventually so you have a fun game to play. As for me I'm out of here to go play DAoC until EQ2 comes out. Maybe there will be some fun content in it (from what I have read there is).
KDubDanzig
Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:09 pm
#2443
Ok, I have a question for anyone that can help.
I did 25 professions and did 4 holocrons then I got the silent one. When I talk to Paemos, the guy that gives you your skill branches I think, he says that I do not qualify for anything. There is something in there about conversion, but I don't understand it.
Any explanation or help would be great!
Excalibur042
Sat Sep 04, 2004 2:24 pm
#2444
I was really excited about this Publish. I have been playing for over a year and have always wanted to be a jedi. But i really didnt like they idea of holocrons telling you what to master. People would buy and sell holocrons for money and would do useless proffessions that are in now way related to Jedi. "Oh yes the Master Dancer skills i get will really aid me when im fighting a kryte dragon with a lightsaber." "I shall use my merchant skills to try and sell this composite leggins to this Super Battle Droid" I refused to listen to a shiney box tell me what to do... This system of quests was alotmore promising. According to the forums and my gu\ldies who are in the Village, you haveonly 3 weeks to complete a skill tree, and if you do not finish, you have to wait another 12 weeks to continue with it.. im a bit confused, when it shifts, can you continue with that tree or can you start a second 1? Can somebody clarify? Because I f i have to wat 3 months or longer to finish 1 tree in order to contine...that just not fair at all, you know some people cant stay on 24/7 and grind millions and millions of xp.. some of us have lives we have to live.. we cant play SWG forever.. Think about the players who really like this game but dont get the chance to play as much as other people can..