Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Great Expectations, Major Schedule Changes and making SWG the finest MMORPG ever
Athenian
Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:24 am
#2341
And why does SOE expect their customers to purchase JTL after such a decision is made?
Do you really expect your customers to believe that JTL is going to be in good working condition? And if it's not will they risk waiting yet another year for it to be fixed because SOE will start working on their next product?
Andamay
Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:53 am
#2342
I just went back and reread a post I wrote on October 8 of 2003 complaining about the P vs E combat system of SWG. The lack of strategy, the lack of any incentive to group, the lack of difficulty, and the lack of convient methods for the sharing of loot.
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Development&message.id=663848#M663848
The lack of strategy remains and the lack of convient methods of sharing loot is still here. The only incentive to group is the massive HAM they have added to creatures. That only pisses people off when any loot you get from a massive HAM creature can not be shared as a group equitably.
I think the developers need to have a giant City of Hero's or World of Warcraft house party and look at how a MMORPG turn based combat system can be made fun (SWG's combat is not fun if you have not noticed). Or drop the pretense and admit you are planning on integrating Planetsides technology into the ground game of SWG like you did with the JTLS expantion (JTLS is basically planetside technology in space, its the only way you can do massive multiplayer space battles). I must admit SWG cries out for a FPS style of combat.
My personal opinion for the delay in the combat balance is that this has been their plan all along. Why do double work, when the JTLS devs are done they can adapt the same tech to the ground game. Come out and tell us what the truth is. I for one am rather tired of double speak and lies. In fact, I have been since october.
Maxpax
Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:06 am
#2343
Good morning from Europe!
Any news from SOE about this "finest POS ever"?
Warmaster_Lah
Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:20 am
#2344
i'm not gonna say that i'm cancelling my account, there's enough of that going around.
devs, take note: i have been interested in this game since before i got into beta 3. in beta 3, i was running around trying to get started, and this one guy decided to take me under his wing and teach me about the scout profession. i remember to this day about how i setup a camp and watched the tattooine suns setting thinking "this is pretty effing cool".
nowadays, honestly, i can't find reasons like that to continue to play the game. in fact, my alt that's a master weaponsmith has seen more play than my main character (who ironically in a way is a BH), and i'm not a crafter, i'm a fighter. i'm not quitting or cancelling YET, i'm gonna give you guys the benefit of the doubt and give you an honest chance this ONCE to try to put things right, to make me have more moments to where i go "this is pretty effing cool" once again. if you don't, i'll cancel, no fanfare or flashy posts, simple as that.
ericn1976
Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:29 am
#2346
As you can see this is the first time I ever posted on thsi forum. The reason why I post know is that you have to give credit to dev's where it's due. They have managed to turn one of the most promissing MMORPG in one of the dullest single player game I've seen so far. So congrats to dev's because they have done a great job on this.
Spank-A-Thon
Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:11 am
#2347
As posted in the other thread:
Whilst I realise that it's "unfair to shoot the messenger", TH is our outlet and as such has to expect that he will be targetted as a vent for the community's frustration. I have consistently tried to defend the Devs from the constant barrage of negativity - but as each day passes it gets harder and harder.
The Devs continue to please the minority whilst ignoring the masses. Yes, JTL is important but 100% of the player base will not play it - the existing ground-based game affects 100% of players.
The carrot has been repeatedly dangled in front of us, and just when we thought it was getting closer - it is once again snatched away. We are your customers and you continually fail to meet our expectations and requirements. We continue to pay $15 per month for something which is clearly not fit for purpose.
I work in Software Development and if I failed to deliver on time like SOE have, I would not have a job. If I failed to deliver something that met my customers requirements, like SOE have, I would not have a job. Sometimes it feels like 1 step forward and 2 steps back as every publish seems to break something.
SOE are obsessed with piling more and more things onto the foundations - what they don't realise is that if your foundations are weak, so is everything else on top. The foundation must be solid - which is clearly is not. I have completely lost faith with the Dev team and theProject Management (or lack of)displayed thus far.
But do you know what the worst thing is? I love Star Wars - I'm a Star Wars fan, not a MMORPG fan and so EQ2, WOW or others are not a factor - I want to play Star Wars and this is my only option. I can't vote with my wallet because for me there is no alternative.
And you know what - SOE know this and continue to break promises, provide mis-information and dangle carrots all in the name of making more money.
I can't tell you how thoroughly disappointed I have become with this. ThunderHeart, I know it's not your fault - but you're the only person who can communicate the communities dis-illusionment to the Developers and Management at SOE.
Is no-one concerned with the mass of negativity these forums have seen and experienced over the past few months? I can't help but find myself asking 'Would General Motors, Ford, IBM, Boeing and other such corporations accept their customer base being so unhappy?'
/mood dis-illusioned
- Ymo
Parsec12
Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:24 am
#2348
I really wanted this to work out between us SOE but, im going to have to start seeing other games.
I know your hurt and the potential for a lasting relationship between us is great...but i cant stand the lies and betrayal.
I cant see you anymore. Dont call me. Have a good life.
/cancel 2 accounts
maybe i'll be back for JTLS, lets hope some other game doesnt have my heart by then.
Slee and Cha-ka of Intrepid.
Stooby
Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:08 am
#2349
But That's Not All, Folks
We recieved several passionate missives about a certain game, and they were all actually pretty well-written. Such were the restrained and eloquent soliloquys that we'll be devoting our next mailbag to it. As we are journalists, we are taking time to get the story from both sides. Stay tuned!
--Tom McNamara
From IGN PC
One wonder what they could possibly be talking about...
Massadonious
Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:10 am
#2350
One-of-Fourteen wrote:
I had a very well thought out reply to all the negative posts on this thread, however, i apparently took too long to submit the post and it was lost. Oh well.
Basically, all you people need to lighten up. If I was a developer, my days of reading any posts on this board would have been done long ago. What is the purpose? Too read post after post, and many posters posting multiple times just to see their posts posted, of extraordinary hate posts?
No, the forums are supposed to be a way for us to relay our thoughts, comments, and suggestions on the game to the developers and such. Wouldn't you be mad too if they never listened?
If you want to quit, just do it. Don't threaten it. Justdo it. Like the commercial says. The game and this board will be better off without you.
Actually, no, it wouldn't. All the people that are quitting or have threated to quit make up the majority of the playerbase in this game. What would happen if everyone did quit? The only people left would be Jedi, and twitch game guru's that could give a **edit** about the ground game.
When you wake up from your feeding frenzy and look at the carnage you have left behind, you should be ashamed and embarrassed.
Why, because we're bitching and complaining? It's called expressing your opinion there genius, something that everyone is allowed to do. What country do you live in?
Furthermore, do you think I shouldn't be able to walk into McDonalds, after eating a crappy Big Mac, and not be able to tell them that their food is crap, or call the workers incompetent? Sure, you may seem like an ass for doing it, but it is definetly warranted.
To those developers that people found it necessary to personally malign, understand (I think you do) not everyone is as ungrateful as it appears in the replies to this thread. Some of us are actually satisfied overall with the entertainment we receive for our tiny $15.00 a month. It sure beats other things we could spend 15 bucks on. Would we like to see some things added, changed, removed? Yes. We would like a place to discuss it without the constant whining flamers though.
Actually, my $15 dollars would be better spent on condoms, but to each is own.
Again, this is a place for us to express our opinion. Yes, some people flame and whine. But, and I repeat myself again. Wouldn't you be mad if no one listened to you when you actually had something constructive to say?
To all the developers, we thank you for what you have done right and good for this game. Mistakes are made. Yes. Should people be stoned do death over it? NO! If anyone thinks so, then let's have the one person who has never made a mistake or never had to take back out something they said or did be the first one to throw a stone.
You don't speak for the rest of us, so don't try.
Yes, people do make mistakes, but wouldn't you get fed up if they did over and over? Would you keep continuing to take back your girlfriend/boyfriend/husband/wife if they continued to cheat on you, and keep promising that they wouldn't do it again? Even if they were a dynamo in the sack, I don't think my self esteem could take it.
Simply put, SWG is the cheating girlfriend that some of us don't want to let go.
Never have I seen such an overwhelming display of communication through hate (hmm, they must all be on the path of the Dark Side).
Again, again, and again. If they didn't listen to you the first time, when you were civil and nice, don't you think you would be a little bit peeved?
I for one am actually looking forward to JTL. I cannot wait to actually have a Star Ship in Star Wars Galaxies and to be able to fly it in space.
Ditto, but I actually play this game in hopes of a decent ground game. Unfortuanetly, I haven't recieved it. Furthermore, the ground game should not simply be a staging area for space. Not all SW battles took place in space, you know...
Regardless of all the negativity in this thread, I hope the developers continue to support the game for those of us that are less vocal. And I hope the developers can turn sufficient enough profit to justify continuance of the game as well.
I really hope they can too, but my patience is waining. And trust me, this game will continue, but not in the way it started out as.
DarthBrundleFLY
Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:13 am
#2351
One-of-Fourteen wrote:
I had a very well thought out reply to all the negative posts on this thread, however, i apparently took too long to submit the post and it was lost. Oh well.
Basically, all you people need to lighten up. If I was a developer, my days of reading any posts on this board would have been done long ago. What is the purpose? Too read post after post, and many posters posting multiple times just to see their posts posted, of extraordinary hate posts?
If you want to quit, just do it. Don't threaten it. Justdo it. Like the commercial says. The game and this board will be better off without you.
When you wake up from your feeding frenzy and look at the carnage you have left behind, you should be ashamed and embarrassed.
To those developers that people found it necessary to personally malign, understand (I think you do) not everyone is as ungrateful as it appears in the replies to this thread. Some of us are actually satisfied overall with the entertainment we receive for our tiny $15.00 a month. It sure beats other things we could spend 15 bucks on. Would we like to see some things added, changed, removed? Yes. We would like a place to discuss it without the constant whining flamers though.
To all the developers, we thank you for what you have done right and good for this game. Mistakes are made. Yes. Should people be stoned do death over it? NO! If anyone thinks so, then let's have the one person who has never made a mistake or never had to take back out something they said or did be the first one to throw a stone.
Never have I seen such an overwhelming display of communication through hate (hmm, they must all be on the path of the Dark Side).
I for one am actually looking forward to JTL. I cannot wait to actually have a Star Ship in Star Wars Galaxies and to be able to fly it in space.
Regardless of all the negativity in this thread, I hope the developers continue to support the game for those of us that are less vocal. And I hope the developers can turn sufficient enough profit to justify continuance of the game as well.
You know I am happy for you that the game is working out for you, I do on occasion enjoy it too, but I know what it was supposed to be. Why is that? Because i have followed the development of this game for many years now and was lucky enough to participate in beta 3. I am well aware that MMORPG's continually evolve over time, but they usually evolve from a solid base up at launch.
I have stated in previous posts that I too am looking forward to JTL, but do you really think it is wise to add an expansion or "mesh" as Thunderheart put it onto a foundation of bugs that the dev's have been unable or unwilling to fix since launch. Have you actually read the posts in this forum, yes there is alot of negativity and probably a few inappropriate posts (if your quick enough to see them before they are deleted) but why is that? do you think these people are typing for the fun of it. How about you read some of the constructive posts throughout this thread and see what people are getting angry about.
The devs have stated that fixing the core game will require as much effort as making a console game...thats the core game that should have been stable and balanced at launch. We are not just out from launch, we are a whole year out the game should not be still in the state it is in, it shouldn't be up to us to give them idea's on how to improve things....it's thier game they are all from other MMORPG's apparently, so why are they having such a difficult time in fixing the core of the game.
Just because you can "play" the game in its current state doesnt mean it shouldnt be fixed or ignored...too much "new" content is going into this game that only supports a small percentage of the player base...usually the powergamers.
Lastly the $15.00 a month is the highest price for a MMORPG, the reason SOE gave was that Galaxies is a cut above everything out there "a premium game" is it really??
Master Bounty Hunter 
Lieutenant Imperial Army
Dixos
Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:24 am
#2352
I think an important factor for the immediate future is rewarding players on the path to Jedi. Players on 20 to 30 profs should be close to Jedi in the new system.
valiska
Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:28 am
#2353
ah pleaaaaaaaaase dont be that arrogant and dont try to intimidate soe with those pohrases like " IM GONNA CANCEL 60 ACCOUNTS" IM GONNA QUIT" do u really think you scare them? oh come on
Val