Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Great Expectations, Major Schedule Changes and making SWG the finest MMORPG ever
corrfleete
Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:32 pm
#2003
i'm sorry, thunderheart, i've been patient with this game since day 1...you fellas have had over3 years to 'make the star wars game we all want to play', yet you continue to spout corporate speak and phrases like 'jedi is a big part of the sw experience'...
/sigh
well, guess what, jedi is not a big part of the sw experience, at least not in the time frame that YOU GUYS chose to set the game...when will you get that through your thick skulls?...and its not even jedi that is the major problem: it is the decision making that allows things like jedi, and broken profs, and combat imbalancesto continue to happen, all the while adding new 'content' and ignoring systems that haven't worked properly, or in a fashion consistent with star wars, since beta...the fact that these fixes arebeing shoved to the back burner by jedi, and the space expansion, is unacceptable...
i have never in my life seen a product with such poor customer service, and such utter disregard for what the majority of the paying customers want...
and i'm pretty sure my post won't make any difference, i know all you guys care about is my $15 a month, and that's ok, i expect it....but i just want the entire dev team, and the suits at soe who actually make the decisions, to know that you guys have utterly ruined what could have been the most amazing piece of entertainment software ever made...and not only that, you have ruined the gaming dreams of a lot of life long star wars fans...i hope somewhere amidst all your promotions, raises, and clapping each other on the back, you realize how much some of us were looking forward to this game, and how much you've let us down...good job to all involved, it takes some real effort to make star wars as depressing as the bastardized version of it depicted in this piece of garbage...
Summerflame
Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:37 pm
#2004
and where did the smuggler revamp end up?
This is sad.
Friends of mine are quitting the game as we speak because of lack of highend content and the pushback of the combat revamp. Once youve got your template in place there only PvP, driving a business for moneyand lootfarming left. I want to feel I improve over time. Right now I kinda feel stuck at the same position 
I love this game dearly. The crafting and resource system is fantastic, but theres is a lack of things to do once you reach a certain point. Now with hologrinding out of the way, what are we supposed to sepnd our time on 
I love this game dearly. The crafting and resource system is fantastic, but theres is a lack of things to do once you reach a certain point. Now with hologrinding out of the way, what are we supposed to sepnd our time on im sorry, but I for one have no real wish for jtl and as stated in many posts before mine: make the core game interesting first!
Saratoga
Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:37 pm
#2005
I hope all the DEVs have had a great weekend! 
WE haven't forgotten! Nice try to distract us with the BETA sign ups, pictures of starships, and jedi villages. It didnt work. Time to get down to business and let us know what you can do for us, the pyaing customer. We are expecting some quick fixes to be announced tomorrow. There are many easy ones you can hot fix into the game to make the broken professions more playable until the vaunted CB. You cannot knock it out of balance any further than is.
Raiyne
Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:38 pm
#2006
Ravenedge wrote:
TH - Here's an article from the Everquest boards that I think is very important to recent events here in the SWG community. I found it in another thread. I hope I'm not reposting something that has been posted before, but I firmly believe this is what is needed to help make SWG the finest MMORPG ever, but it will also go along way to help alot of us players who are upset and angry over the recent decisions.
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http://eqlive.station.sony.com/news_section/newsview.jsp?story=62268
Hello Norrath!
I wanted to announce that we've decided to push Omens of War back to Late August in order to give the EQ team time to respond to important issues that the EverQuest community is raising (specifically including the issues with Gates of Discord). We've heard some concerns from within the community that we feel are important enough to push back our next expansion and spend time fixing the problems you have brought to our attention. At the end of the day, we work for you and it's important for us to demonstrate that we both understand and appreciate that. We're also inviting many members of the community to join us here at SOE for a day to have a direct dialog with the development team about issues that are important to the EverQuest community as a whole. We've already sent out the invitations and are making all the arrangements. In addition, our EQ community managers will be coming up with a list of issues raised on the message boards so that we can come back to you with a specific list of things we're going to address.
I'm sorry if you feel we haven't been listening and reacting appropriately. We do our best to balance all of the needs and concerns you raise along with expanding Norrath and giving you new and wonderful things to do in EverQuest, but we do make mistakes. We've heard you loud and clear.
We have many things planned for EverQuest over the upcoming years, and our goal is to keep you happily playing EverQuest for a long time to come. The best way for us to do that is by first and foremost listening to you.
John Smedley
President, Sony Online Entertainment
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I think this speaks for itself.
It has...but is hardly inappropriate...
TorchedAzz
Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:50 pm
#2007
Stupid, stupid, stupid, stupid!
Not the delay but the fact that it took you this long to realize you did not have the resources necessary to handle your work schedule. Who ever is your project manager...fire him/her.
I'm down from 2 accounts to 1 account...and likely to be down to none after this amiture move. Those two publishes where the only thing I was hanging on to.
Thrush
Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:01 pm
#2008
Ravenedge wrote:
TH - Here's an article from the Everquest boards that I think is very important to recent events here in the SWG community. I found it in another thread. I hope I'm not reposting something that has been posted before, but I firmly believe this is what is needed to help make SWG the finest MMORPG ever, but it will also go along way to help alot of us players who are upset and angry over the recent decisions.
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http://eqlive.station.sony.com/news_section/newsview.jsp?story=62268
Hello Norrath!
I wanted to announce that we've decided to push Omens of War back to Late August in order to give the EQ team time to respond to important issues that the EverQuest community is raising (specifically including the issues with Gates of Discord). We've heard some concerns from within the community that we feel are important enough to push back our next expansion and spend time fixing the problems you have brought to our attention. At the end of the day, we work for you and it's important for us to demonstrate that we both understand and appreciate that. We're also inviting many members of the community to join us here at SOE for a day to have a direct dialog with the development team about issues that are important to the EverQuest community as a whole. We've already sent out the invitations and are making all the arrangements. In addition, our EQ community managers will be coming up with a list of issues raised on the message boards so that we can come back to you with a specific list of things we're going to address.
I'm sorry if you feel we haven't been listening and reacting appropriately. We do our best to balance all of the needs and concerns you raise along with expanding Norrath and giving you new and wonderful things to do in EverQuest, but we do make mistakes. We've heard you loud and clear.
We have many things planned for EverQuest over the upcoming years, and our goal is to keep you happily playing EverQuest for a long time to come. The best way for us to do that is by first and foremost listening to you.
John Smedley
President, Sony Online Entertainment
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I think this speaks for itself.
This is the same guy in charge of the Devs for SWG. I doubt he has one business philosophy for SWG and another for EQ. I think some of this stuff goes all the way back to Lucas Arts.
--Thrush--
Servalac
Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:12 pm
#2009
i would totally agree with that i think it's Lucasarts who is really in charge i mean old Georgie boy is well known for saying things and then saying he never said them like saying there were going to 9 moives and only to turn around and say he never said that or that he doesn't need to add a good story line or dialog for his char's.
But i've always rememberwhat Obi-wan said into Return of the Jedi " what i said was true from a certain point of view" which i'm sure the DEV's believe this game is and will always be the finest MMORPG from a certain point of view only trouble is that it's only them, the suits and lastly the fanboi's who think that.
ROFL
Message Edited by Servalac on 07-19-2004 11:14 AM
jalia
Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:14 pm
#2010
I sincerely hope they do indeed push out some quick fixes.
Heck they can always tweak them again soon but TRY SOMETHING.
I have been playing less and less,
hoping that one day I will log in to findchallenge has been restored to PvE and that playability has been restored to PvP.
This announcement tells me I dont have much reason to bother playing anymore.
I am only holding out to see WHAT THE RESPONSE IS TO THIS FIASCO COME MONDAY MORNING.
Good Reponses (any of the following, bonus for 2 or more!) :
Apology
Admission of Error
Delay of Expansion to Dedicate team to Basic Game Issues NOW (JUST like SOE Pres JUST did for EQ, /wink /wink /nudge /nudge)
Hotfix Implementations along the lines of ANY OF THE HUNDREDS OF REGURGITATED POSTS OVER THE PAST 10 MONTHS
Bad Responses (any of the following, cancellation bonus for 2 or more!):
Ignoring the Problem
Burying the Public Outcry
Censoring the Public Outcry
I dont have the HEART to play until I know what the future holds....if this is it and we are simply to go without a response...than I am gone by the end of the week.
Now if we get a GOOD response...I will be the first to renew my patience...and speak openly in support where I have recently felt compelled to do otherwise...
-JALIA (Career Doc/Pike of BRIA, praying for a good response)
ChastTrasprin
Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:22 pm
#2011
HOORAY, Now all the whiners and complainers will quit the game and leave the rest of us to have fun. All I ever read on these forums are complaints. Maybe you should all realize where the game was when it came out and where it is today. I am 100% positive that these things will be fixed, but I'm also 100% positive you people will still complain. IT IS A GAME!!! IF IT GIVES YOU HEARTACHE, DO NOT PLAY!!!! Games are for you to have fun, not cry foul everytime someone sneezes..........
PS, feel free to flame I will not read this thread again just to see more complaining
Servalac
Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:33 pm
#2012
hmmn what happened did you take a break from suckingBlunderhearts **edit** to read the forums well done onenut and i bet you will read the forums again lol
Rhysati
Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:45 pm
#2013
Maybe if you had read the posts in this topic first, you would see that we have already covered your weak argument about 5-6 times Chast. The point is that some of us actually like Star Wars and want to see this game SUCCEED. They have just killed it if they continue down this dark path. If they do, then I am going to go play WoW(on an interesting note....I had NO intention whatsoever to play WoW, as I have yet to really like a Blizzard game much....but ANYTHING is better than this crap that SOE is pulling).
panzer-kg-
Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:52 pm
#2014
jeez wtih sonys track record in swg what makes you think they can even come close to pulling off jtl?
thunderheart did you used to work for enron?
panzer=txf=
DrHoe
Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:53 pm
#2015
hmm Im glad you fixed your post!
ChastTrasprin wrote:
HOORAY, Now all the whiners and complainers will quit the game and leave the rest of us to have fun (I enjoy games I pay out the a$$ for). All I ever read on these forums are complaints (about broken professions). Maybe you should all realize where the game was when it came out and where it is today. I am 100% positive that these things will be fixed (It is a good thing I have unfounded faith in a company that has yet to make a year old game work), but I'm also 100% positive you people will still complain (about the broken stuff that was supposed to be fixed with the Combat Balance). IT IS A GAME (That we pay each month for, and it dont work)!!! IF IT GIVES YOU HEARTACHE, DO NOT PLAY (It has taken many lie's to get to this conclusion but we quit)!!!! Games are for you to have fun,Not for you to want the Developers tofix broken stuff.
PS, feel free to flame I will not read this thread again just to see more complaining.
PSS, Im a jedi and I love SOE!