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Thread: Publish 8.2 Feedback: Death Watch Bunker

SpenceDmann
Tue May 25, 2004 9:27 pm
#170

SPENCE D'MANN TO ALL DEVS!! CAN YOU SEE THIS? CAN YOU REPLY? CAN YOU EVER CONTACT ME!? ARE YOU THERE? ARE YOU GUYS LISTENING? READ THE FOLLOWING AND PLEASE RESPOND.





SpenceDmann wrote:





Thunderheart wrote:

Boba Fett has discovered that an ancient splinter group of Mandalorian mercenaries known as the Death Watch are not just the stuff of myth and rumor but are operating out of a hidden location. Boba Fett?s network of spies has also discovered that the Death Watch assassins have contracted a heavy of contingent of the Black Sun to help them in their unknown plans. Are you brave enough to find out what these heinous villains are up to? Work your way through this new adventure zone with over 6 Action packed new quests and unique new crafting missions to find out what has brought these ancient warriors out of hiding!


Have you made it out to the bunker yet?


What were your experiences?


What is your opinion of this new adventure zone?






Ok first off Boba didn't discover this, he knows that theywere allwiped out sometime during the twenty years before Boba was created.That means they are not "Ancient", The Mandalorians are "Ancient". Death Watchwas created when Vizsla and a fewothers left from JasterMereel's command. In fact Vizsla killed Jaster some 20 years before Jango's cloning.Jango was not at all happy about Jaster's death cause Jaster was pretty much a father to him since he was orphaned.


Why not just put, "Here, stop your complaints about mandalorian armor! Knock yourselves out!" instead of making up some lame story that goes against continuity altogether. Instead of Death Watch, why not something else?


Here, read this ifyou haven't so yet.









By far the most worse idea yet. The continiuty is now a hair line thin. Death Watch was wiped out long ago.


Did you take this idea from some guy who just played SW Bounty Hunter and read about Death Watch and doesn't know it's history and decided to have it in this game. It's like having a bad GM placing an army of the Sith and putting it during the time of of Episode on, and totallynot aware of the "Rule of Two" that was established by Darth Bane.


First off, Death Watch would not need to hire Black Sun for anything. Second of all, Black Sun doesn't need the money from them cause Xizor (who runs the syndicate) is uber rich. Third, Death Watch are (were, cause they all dead) a solitary band of mercenies.... MERCENARIES!!! That means they get hired by people for wars and/or protection!! Not the other way around!


And of course no one cares cause everyone has an itch for Mandalorian Armor.... MANDALORIAN!!! What is Death Watch still using mandalorian armor for, when they designed and supplied their own?


I guess it's my fault for not giving them ideas. Then again look what they did to The Crackdown.


This thread is where they got the idea. but they left out some real good stuff that would have made it better.


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Development&message.id=979360&page=1


And these threads below are just as good.


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Gorath&message.id=168233

http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Gorath&message.id=167782



Where are the "digiteers" that were promised?






You guys need me in your side. And I've tried to get your attention before... in a good and constructive way of course.









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Bowoci
Tue May 25, 2004 9:28 pm
#171

First off... is this feedback thread going to be like the Corvette Feedback Thread?? 36 pages without a SINGLE Dev Response??


Next... No I have not gone and will not go... this is another death-fest like the corvette was... insanely difficult and impossible to complete sections if you aren't grouped w/ certain professions. I WILL NOT be forced to group to enjoy your so-called content.... and why would I get buffed, armored, drugged etc to go try to get useless loot... yes useless... because as a wookiee I can't use the armor and I'm no longer a BH... so I can't use the jetpack.... and put up with tons of additional decay to boot???

Are there more bantha dolls in the cave?? If there are... maybe I'll change my mind... risk vs reward.... can't have enough bantha dolls:X


You didn't listen to a single comment on the Corvette Feedback and you won't listen to this... so why do we bother commenting;X




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Monkeydeath
Tue May 25, 2004 9:31 pm
#172

I second Bowci
SpenceDmann
Tue May 25, 2004 9:35 pm
#173

Just to be fair I'll answer your 3 questions.


No I haven't been to the bunker yet cause i'm having some technical problems and I just had my Character Repaired after 10 months of not receivingproper XP if any to begin with.


My experiences in the bunker would be a fast death. And much disapointment in content as well as acheivements.


My opinion is stated about in the Really BIG and LONG post above.


Thank you and I hope I can figure out what killed my vid card this only accured after I have posted my toon was repaired. hmm





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Ratatosksen
Tue May 25, 2004 9:36 pm
#174

  • I think there's no meaning in 60 people unable to get past the fourth room in a game where the group limit is 20. Does DW meant to be done by a full group of 4444 Guardians? And then who's supposed to do the crafting part?

  • I camped it for 5 hours, looted about 100 npcs and got nothing. Is there something wrong with loot drop rate?

  • SBDs are insanely hard to beat. Again they're meaningless while the group cap is 20.

  • I think we need a challenging dungeon, not an insanely hard one. If you DEVs don't want The Armor in the game simply don't put it in. This dungeon's usless as it is now. There is no fun there.



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    Bowoci
    Tue May 25, 2004 9:41 pm
    #175

    Now that I've scrolled through the 8 pages posted already... just wanted to point out that the ONLY Dev Response so far was to point out that 4 or 5 professions will be able to wear the Mandolorian Armor... not just 2 professions. Glad they cleared that up. Not a word about ALL the comments that this Bunker is perceived to be as bad or worse than their Corvette:X


    How long before they lock this one and make it "read only" ???


    Boggles the mind





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    LouDogg
    Tue May 25, 2004 9:43 pm
    #176

    I'm sure that no one of importance will read this, but im going to make this post anyways. I dont normally post, but wow, i just had to on this.


    I was very much looking forward to this bunker. I know that the previous two 'dungeons' were hard as hell, and i knew that this one was going to be hard as well, but holy **edit**. I've never seen anything like this in my life. It isnt even fun. I see why now no one goes to the corvette anymore. People in my galaxy go to the bio lab to camp the first room just waiting for drops.


    Why are there battle droids in everything???? I thought they were all wiped out before the IV movie??? whats the deal??? I go into the first room of the bunker, and there's 2 Super Battle Droids. I run for my life right back out of the bunker, and it took literally TWENTY MINUTES for the 25+ people outside (who were also running for their lives) to bring this thing down.


    Come on guys, this isn't even REMOTELY fun. All of my group, who was about 15 people, died. DEAD, gone, had to re-spawn.


    It's just ridiculous. If your main concern was for no one to have the mandalorian armor, then CONGRATULATIONS!


    If your main concern was for people to have fun, then i don't even know what to say. Please, can we make this thing somewhat enjoyable.





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    InspGadgt
    Tue May 25, 2004 9:46 pm
    #177

    Enforce or force grouping. Why is it that an on-line game has grouping in the first place? Well that's because it's an RPG and RPGs are inherently a Social game. You play (or roll play), meet people that become friends, group, and have a good time. In these groups you learn to use each other’s differences to accomplish great things and it's enjoyable. Over time gamers and developers have seen this is a good thing so games are designed to encourage grouping. There is a big difference though between encouraging grouping and forcing grouping. One gives you an alternative that can enhance your game play to a more enjoyable level. The other takes away your choice and makes it a necessity. Forcing grouping does nothing more then force people to group to accomplish something, have minimal social interaction to do it, then once finished part ways never to speak again. Granted there are sometimes one or two people you come to know through this that become friends. But it's not often enough to make it worth it, nor is it an enjoyable way to meet people. People need to be given the option in order to bring about the most enjoyment for the game. Don't force us to group...encourage us to group.

    As my buddy Mad_Max mentioned we live in Hawaii. Unfortunately this is a time zone in which there are less people playing. So for us getting into a large group is a rare thing. Typically it's just the 3 of us who know each other already. Occasionally we'll meet some other people who seem cool and invite them into the group. Because of this and our style of game play we will never be able to enjoy dungeons like this even if we are masters of some elite combat class.

    Someone mentioned earlier...increased content does not mean harder dungeons...it means increased story line, or something to that effect. I agree wholeheartedly. The story arcs that the players could become involved in are what set this RPG apart from all the others. We could actually contribute to the way the game was going. I was really beginning to enjoy this aspect of the game until the last story arc. I, as many other BHs, could not participate in the arc because I had -5000 Hutt and Jabba faction due to a bug in BH missions. As a result my enjoyment of the game diminished resulting in my spending less and less time playing the game. Now I only log on when I know 1 of my 2 buddies are going to be playing. Aside from the time I spend with friends I see no point in playing the game any longer. My character development is pretty much halted now as I'm maxed out in skill points, the time spent doing BH missions isn't worth the payout the higher up the investigation tree you get, the missions aren't getting any more interesting, and now I can't even hope to enjoy the higher end dungeons.

    Well we're going to try it tonight anyway...but after all I've read so far I don't hold much hope for the outcome.




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    yarble
    Tue May 25, 2004 9:48 pm
    #178

    thanks rune i didnt know sl and rangers could wear it too, but after trying it today doesnt anyone else see why any one should be able to wear mando armor. im not putting dw down, its great and i love it, but i feel that if any group has the skill to go through and actually craft the armor they should be able to wear mando armor be it entertainers or what ever, that is of course if they went through the trouble of actually going through and working this dungeon right.



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    CrosisSanra
    Tue May 25, 2004 9:48 pm
    #179



    Bowoci wrote:

    Now that I've scrolled through the 8 pages posted already... just wanted to point out that the ONLY Dev Response so far was to point out that 4 or 5 professions will be able to wear the Mandolorian Armor... not just 2 professions. Glad they cleared that up. Not a word about ALL the comments that this Bunker is perceived to be as bad or worse than their Corvette:X

    How long before they lock this one and make it "read only" ???

    Boggles the mind





    The think is i'm looking for the jetpack. that should be wearable by anyone. And you still need to be uber elite for that.
    RandomHero1226
    Tue May 25, 2004 9:49 pm
    #180

    First day out there, decided to go solo, buffed to see whats up there. Get hit with a super battle droid right off the bat just getting off my speeder. 214k ham, totally kicking my rear. I took down a good chunk of his life before I had to severly run away. Luckily I had a guild stop by with 15 people and I knew a few of them. So we go down a group now 16-17 strong, barely make it 3 rooms. Constant spawn, after we clear it up more run in, then another super battle droid. Took us maybe an hour just to get 2 rooms into it. Most of it isn't bad, its the super battle droids that really get ya. Encountered a death watch, sweet, but hard too. Its awesome, but maybe tone down the SBD's a little. I can't see how any single (20) group can get all the way through, I hope the armor is well worth it .



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    Coeus-Slaba
    Tue May 25, 2004 9:50 pm
    #181

    Please fix this....


    1)way to hard im a 4-3-3-4 ch and a 3-0-0-4 bh and i got owned wearing full composite plate 80% kenetic and full buffs and brandy in o.... 2 mins wow what fun!


    2) LAGGGG!!!



    3)whats the point no loot and no xp basicly go in look around get killed WHAT FUN!



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    SpenceDmann
    Tue May 25, 2004 9:53 pm
    #182






    Spence D'Mann wrote:


    You have to understand their train of thought. so it seems that they caught on how fun droid invasion was and they imediatly thought, "Duhhhh... Hey! dey like batterdwoids. lets make more thingies with da batter dwoids! WEEE!!! yea!!! "


    WE ARE NOT IN CLONE WARS!!! HELLO!!! Battle Droids are scarce, Geonosians are busy building the second death star, Jedi are supposed to be hiding from the inquisitors and Vader, and cloning was banned by the emperor himself. (even though he uses the technology for himself)


    Rebellion Era people!!! Rebellion!!!

    NOT CLONE WARS!!!!






    This i posted in the gorath forum.


    I post it here in behalf of the guy who complained about the battle droids.






    -Spence D'Mann
    Former Leader of The Lone Gunmen Spynet Syndicate
    "Everyone's seen The Lone Gunmen, they just don't know it."
    - I support keeping myself drunk because of the suffering I had during those 10 months being nerfed.
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