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Thread: Publish 9 Feedback: Secrets of the Force

Tenfo
Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:39 am
#131



Please post your feedback on:



  • The Jedi conversion process

Went seemlessly and had no trouble. Allowing /restartconversion once would be a very good feature if Jedi makea mistake or a bad template. It can take months and months to rebuild your template if you screw up; unlike mundane professions which take hours or a couple of days max.




  • The lightsaber reconstruction/deconstruction process

Deconstruction went well. Pearl qualities were low and resulting tuned pearls were mostly crappy and not usable (Force cost not low enough).



Reconstruction went ok and thankfully I had friends with good resources and I only had to buy good culsion gas for 200cpu (still high but livable).



Saber experimentation is close to useless even with 10 pts (as it was on TC2). The point of even having experimentation is almost mute. Why not just make the entire result based off resources? It currently is 99.5% anyways.




  • The Jedi Robes

They are ok but look like bath robes somewhat and no customization is allowed. Ranked Jedi should be give HOODS and more color palette.



Robe DEFENSE? It was in the Archives. TH, you have used the Archives as a backup document for other things like why the PSG should be LS resistance. So where are our armor-like defenses?Statedefenses?Additional Force power and regen was a nice touch.





  • The Force Ranking System

Ruining GCW plain and simple. Other players are sick of being "farmed" by ranked Jedi and the hatred towards Jedi for ruining the game is at an all time high. We all know Jedi didn't build the system but the are acting out what the system has dictated to them.




  • Light Powers vs. Dark Powers

No difference between Light and Dark below Knight. Overall Force Powers and Force Defense are seriously weak and very few are fitting them into their templates.



Ranked Dark Jedi apparently get bonuses to Force Powers but with Light side using feedback they just kill themselves faster.



Overall the range of Jedi skills is too limited. Defenses is useless and toughness should just be spread across the the Lightsaber, Enhanceer and Powers trees instead. Any Jedi in their right mind will not train to Master Defense or even close.



Force powers are far too weak compared to cost. Reduce cost or boost powers.



It would be nice to see more general bonuses to non-ranked for Light and Dark to add variance.



Much has been written by Philosopher and Arjun about this topic and has gone largely ignored. Dark Side should have bonus Force powers/offense and Light side have bonus healing/defense.








l Tofeity Edeiso - MBH / Rifleman l l Tazon - Elder Jedi l
Aanu
Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:53 pm
#132

Well, controlling the Jedi population is what the BH is for. D'uh!


So what you only get 1 in 8 shots to land when fighting most Padawans at this point. You have more SPs as a BH now, so go and drop your blaster for a gaffi stick since Melee is the ONLY way you will be able to take many low level Jedi and just scratch a mid-level one.


I mean, what is Star Wars without the Kung Fu fighting?


Blasters are soooo 1977.


-a



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Erakus
Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:44 pm
#133






Aanu wrote:

Well, controlling the Jedi population is what the BH is for. D'uh!


So what you only get 1 in 8 shots to land when fighting most Padawans at this point. You have more SPs as a BH now, so go and drop your blaster for a gaffi stick since Melee is the ONLY way you will be able to take many low level Jedi and just scratch a mid-level one.


I mean, what is Star Wars without the Kung Fu fighting?


Blasters are soooo 1977.


-a




yeah devs forbid a bh actually has to use its profession skills to do its job




Erakus(MKA)
HavelockVetinari
Fri Jul 09, 2004 11:58 pm
#134



Covert jedi can heal overt and tef'ed members of their faction without getting a tef. This is a problem; it's no fun chasing down the combat medic who keeps hucking poison and disease at you only to see all your damage to him wiped out by a stream of force coming from some pansy jedi you can't attack. This is a PvP breaking exploit and needs to be addressed immediately.

Message Edited by HavelockVetinari on 07-10-2004 12:50 AM



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Nakajima
Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:27 am
#135






HavelockVetinari wrote:



Covert jedi can heal overt and tef'ed members of their faction without getting a tef. This is a problem; it's no fun chasing down the combat medic who keeps hucking poison and disease at you only to see all your damage to him wiped out by a stream of force coming from some pansy jedi you can't attack. This is a PvP breaking exploit and needs to be addressed immediately.

Message Edited by HavelockVetinari on 07-10-2004 12:50 AM






ONE SOLUTION:


use of force powers = TEF


use of lightsaber = TEF


use of jedi clothing = TEF


Public Jedi Combat WITHOUT a Bounty being served (ie: for fun) = Exhorbitant Loss of Force XP (should drain all accumulated xp to 0)
in addition to the above (public duels) - player will recieve LARGE loss of player ranking.


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I'm REALLY getting sickened by seeing peeps GANGBANGED by THREE JEDI...


FIX THIS PLEASE


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Nakajima
Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:38 am
#136






Nakajima wrote:


ONE SOLUTION:





oh yeah --- add:


use of jedi profession titles= TEF


the jedi way of life was meant only for those who wished to follow it (though some many were force sensative).


at this point in the starwars univers... i thought there were not going to be many JEDI in the universe...


at least thats what the statements that were made when I quit 6 months ago were... now you can walk across coronet without bumping into at least 10 jedi,

much less hunt on dantooine.


Jedi = WAY too common.


Solution for this? -- a JEDIONLYCITY on each planet... one that is only available to force sensative users. (visa vie the battle-field markers... no force? - no entry.



Please keep the jedi menace from roaming our streets.

lagasse
Sat Jul 10, 2004 1:13 pm
#137

It makes absolutely no sense to me why or how a tribal npc automatically puts you on the boards.


1. I kill the whole pack in less than 30 seconds.

2. I never looted a transmitter off of a tribal.

3. I have never had a tribal escape my 128m radar or even get more than 40 meters away from me.


Here's my suggestion:


Re-examine what npcs have technology to report a jedi and if they report the jedi, I highly doubt it would be an instant or relative instant placement on the terminals. If it makes no sense for an npc to be able to report or make any form of technological communication to a magistrate, then they should not put you on the boards automatically. Especially if you kill them all in under 30 seconds.


Another problem and suggestion. It makes nosense whatsoever that a friend of mine both in and outside the game (outside doesn't matter) sees me utilize my jedi powers/saber and that places me on the boards. Any and all players should be required to utilize a command such as:


/report (jedi name)




KhalibanMoore
Sat Jul 10, 2004 1:29 pm
#138






lagasse wrote:

It makes absolutely no sense to me why or how a tribal npc automatically puts you on the boards.


1. I kill the whole pack in less than 30 seconds.

2. I never looted a transmitter off of a tribal.

3. I have never had a tribal escape my 128m radar or even get more than 40 meters away from me.


Here's my suggestion:


Re-examine what npcs have technology to report a jedi and if they report the jedi, I highly doubt it would be an instant or relative instant placement on the terminals. If it makes no sense for an npc to be able to report or make any form of technological communication to a magistrate, then they should not put you on the boards automatically. Especially if you kill them all in under 30 seconds.


Another problem and suggestion. It makes nosense whatsoever that a friend of mine both in and outside the game (outside doesn't matter) sees me utilize my jedi powers/saber and that places me on the boards. Any and all players should be required to utilize a command such as:


/report (jedi name)










You're assuming technology. I was under the impression the Emperor sensed you as Yoda sensed Anakin slaughtering the sand people.
lagasse
Sat Jul 10, 2004 1:36 pm
#139

We know that isn't how we get on the boards today so throwing that variable inis a whole new concept that isn't involved at the moment. The terminals would be filled to the brim with a wider array of different jedi.
Cyryn_Azecks
Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:50 pm
#140

I think that if normal players had a way to be almost, if as equal as jedi, Ie, Lightsaber resist armor plates(the PSGs just dont cut it in PVP with lightsabers doing like 6000 damage a swing) and,BUFFS FOR JEDIS. This is getting out of hand, having 3 jedi walking around with 3k HAMkilling everyone..... Make it to where once a jedi hits padawan, he can no longer bebuffedietheir own jedi TEF against normal players.



I am sure that this will help out everyone and make the game not dominated, expecially in pvp/pve by jedi guardians.
ebraygun
Sun Jul 11, 2004 9:02 am
#141

I bitched last week about being slaughtered by jedi all the time, just while flagged (doing imp missions)

So i tried to go back in, taking a little more care in aproaching the imp bases to see if any jedi are in the area..
Slowly I click forward on my speeder from the out side walls looking in. Always you see a couple blue although you cant tell if they are jedi or not. Are they red...no.. there blue..suddenly they come flying out of no where, so you try to out run them on your bike, and low and behold, your knocked off, your dead and so is your bike. everytime f'ing time.


Ive tried to log back in a maybe twice this week compared to my usual 15 to 20 times to play, and find my self looking around at all the line ups for buffs, 10k? and then the line ups for shuttles, rip off as well, and standing in the cantina getting mind healed atleast every day i log now cause, ive been killed by a jedi. only to witness a bunch of people macroing the whole game.

MY patience is long but gone. I sat there and looked around wondering where the fun was in this game. and to be honest I dont see it anymore. Its all f'ing work and always has been.Grinding and grinding to get to a point which in the end gets you no where.
Everyone is doing the grind still to get jedi bonus's for next publish, and after that then what. Theres no point in changing careers.

Will get boring being the same class all the time, only to prove to be useless anyways (specially against jedi) Jedi might be having fun with this publish and sure why not. YOu have a light saber to play with! I like others, are still stuck using flame throwers and gay rifles that dont do **edit**.


After paying $29 a month canadian (Pre Pay cards) $60 for 2 months. (and $55 a month for high speed internet) I'm left feeling ripped off, bored, pissed off cause im a master wimp.

Dont think I feel like comming home from working 12 hours a day to logging onto a game and working some more.


The only reason I stuck with the game is because it STAR WARS. Its been a part of my whole life and although im looking forward to the next movie, whats to come after that. Nothing left to look forward too.

This game certainly isn;t gonna cut the cake.

ANYWAYS>> looking forward to Half life 2 or any other game out there that was made to have fun with . not piss me off all the time, or leave me feeling way behing the rest of the pack..

BON VOYAGE ALL

I"M QUITTING THIS GAME FOR GOOD!!

drunknmunky718
Mon Jul 12, 2004 5:33 am
#142

On my server, through permanent campping of the Geonosian Caves and by using the KD/Dizzy bug to vastly increase the spawn rate, Jedi are now earning ("earning" being used in the loosest possible sense) 3 million Jedi XP per day!??!?!


http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=Chilastra&message.id=223435#M223435


Was the purpose of Publish 9 to makemastering the Jedi profession something that can be done in a long weekend?


What's worse, the CSR's have informed everyone that this is not an exploit...so everyone who is not camping the geo caves and using the Dizzy/KD trick is a damned fool. So anyone out there who's not doing it and still XP'ing, please start immediately before they nerf it.


To be fair, I think 3 million Jedi XP/day requires being AFK much of that day. Then again, I'm sure the Geonosian Caves were added to the game specifically to allow for power-grinding, right?





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Kharrissa
Mon Jul 12, 2004 5:45 am
#143

"Yes you are. Now shut up and be griefed for the benefit of your powergamer **edit** masters."



I wonder if they were snorting laundry detergent when they made this design decision?
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