Development Cycle Archive
Thread: Great Expectations, Major Schedule Changes and making SWG the finest MMORPG ever
calomac
Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:22 pm
#1366
good god people.he didnt say that the publishes wernt going to come,he just said they have a set of prioritys that they have and feel that in the end will work out for the best.BE PATIENT dear god people they will come just wait for them then you can find some new crap to whine and complain about.and please exuse my spelling i cant spell to save my life.
TashunkaSapa
Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:23 pm
#1367
D_Hoffran wrote:
Let's see, four years is :
* The length of time the entirety of "World War II" - you know, real life? - was fought and won in that time
Not to split hairs, but World War II took six years. It began in 1939, ended in 1945. The United States didn't enter the war until 1941, but our involvement hardly constitutes the "entirety" of the war.
Still, you have a very good point - four years is plenty of time to complete things which are far more difficult and importnat than patching a game.
Shaan'ti Hokai (Kauri) 
DeadBull
Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:24 pm
#1368
calomac wrote:
good god people.he didnt say that the publishes wernt going to come,he just said they have a set of prioritys that they have and feel that in the end will work out for the best.BE PATIENT dear god people they will come just wait for them then you can find some new crap to whine and complain about.and please exuse my spelling i cant spell to save my life.
Yes he didn't say the publishes weren't going to come, but the devs still lied to us about when the combat revamp was going to be live.
JackFlack007
Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:26 pm
#1369
"I actually played the game or does that not count in your equations?"
I hear you, brother, but I believe the answer is 'Nope'. They said they wanted to stop the grinding ASAP, but they are going to reward the grinders rather than those of us who 'actually played the game'. Sad, isn't it? 
DakkTunon
Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:31 pm
#1370
Precisely. They're not about to let Q stand there and stick his neck out, so they have TH do it. Sad. Very sad indeed.
Jhyson-Bria wrote:
DakkTunon wrote:
I just got to thinking, Q is moving on to another project (presumaby EQ2 or EQ3?) and TH steps in right as they decide to delay the promises yet again...
Q was here for all the delays, TH was here but basically had his hands tied.
Q shaped a lot of the decisions that have been made that have hosed us up to this point. TH steps in and bats clean-up...
Does anyone else smell "sacrificial lamb"?
What makes you think having to make this post and stand behind it,did not have anything to do with Q leaving... They must have known for weeks, if not months, that this situation was coming.
*JtL preorder cancelled, SWG soon to follow*
Kisedd
Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:38 pm
#1371
I don't know what to say, I'm pretty upset and angry. I've heard all the "We want to make the game better so we are going to postpone all the important stuff till later" announcements.
Combat is a central theme to the game. It is the number 1 game breaking problem that faces SWG. The devs would rather spend all their time jacking around with Jedi for 6 or more months than actually making the game playable. Did it ever occur to them that Jedi have to deal with a broken piece of junk combat system too?
I think SWG has a grand vision. Some of which has come to life. Most is disapointing glimmers of what could be. LIVE teams destroy MMORPG's. Bad management and leadership destroy MMORPG's These are not glamerous things running the day to day operations of a game, so they get ignored in the process of creation.
I've never been so depressed about this game as I am now. I just feel I'm paying for something just to get by until a later time. I have no real desire to log in and play. I'm getting really tired of please keep paying because this cool thing is on the horizon. The devs have had a year to make good on promises that were broken since launch and most of the core systems in this game are STILL broken. Combine that will a complety useless CSR staff who can't fix any of the problems that the massive amount of bugs create, and it leaves me cold.
I don't know what to suggest. Postpone publish 10 until after JTL. Move the CB up to the most important publish. Fix the broken classes, bugs, and major issues that this game has had since launch, then move forward with new content and expansions.
Dodece
Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:38 pm
#1372
You want to stop grinding put a lock on in the game. Just stop it counting at all. Could do it today. Those waiting to be jedi can wait like we are being asked to wait till next freaking year. We have been more then patient, as they picked us clean of money. We sat back and were so patient we seemed not to matter. Patience is rewarded by being kicked in the teeth. Its not the players out of line its the devs. Way freaking out of line. They promised, and promised, and promised. Good will only goes so far they just made these promises to drag people along.
**edit** JTL I hope the first days its out it crashes.
FR33K
Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:40 pm
#1373
calomac wrote:
good god people.he didnt say that the publishes wernt going to come,he just said they have a set of prioritys that they have and feel that in the end will work out for the best.BE PATIENT dear god people they will come just wait for them then you can find some new crap to whine and complain about.and please exuse my spelling i cant spell to save my life.
Try waiting 10 months for pistoleer to get fixed, then waiting for CH to get "re-balanced" for 7 months, then there's smuggler, pikeman, etc etc etc.
Manyof our questions (though recognized as good, important, and/or needed) got this answer;
--Wait, for the combat rebalance.
Since this game is pretty much combat-related, or combat-support-related. Don't you think this is pretty damn important?
How is it that we weren't patient?
Phhantom
Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:48 pm
#1374
SOE DEVS
I have canceled all 8 of my accounts, since they have blocked advancement on my Unlocked character, Plus with an anticipated delay on publish 10 it is not worth the darn hassles. 4 SWG accounts, 2 premium EQ accounts 2 regular EQ accounts.. Been a faithful customer since early 1998.. Well no more.. This is truely the worst possible thing they could of done to a gamer, Block Advancement on an RPG while others get to level in ranking and you are forced to play catch up at a later date. While all your friends leave you behind.. I had asked thunderheart for several responses and got nothing. I Asked the CSR today and got an answer of this is no way possible to publish ten. The reply was simply be paitent!!! There is no simple thing about it. I am paying forblocked accountsatm.....
I have never seen such a thing in history of RPG's...
brodiemcd
Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:48 pm
#1375
JackFlack posted:
"I actually played the game or does that not count in your equations?"
I hear you, brother, but I believe the answer is 'Nope'. They said they wanted to stop the grinding ASAP, but they are going to reward the grinders rather than those of us who 'actually played the game'. Sad, isn't it?
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Andrexx, Intrepid Server - ex-Master Scout, ex-Master Ranger, ex-Master Creature Handler (*sigh*), ex-Master Rifleman, Master Marksman, Master Commando. I refused to hologrind, so I must be punished.
"Shoot first, THEN harvest ...."
Maybe I'm misunderstanding ya Jack, if so, I apologize. But as a hologrinder...I don't see why that is sad. It's not like it was a great joy to do ID or some other lame profession. It was a means to a goal, something that the devs laid out as "the path". I could have and would have loved to sit back and play a fun template for the sake of playing, but the goal is jedi (at least for me) so I do what they mandate I must do to get there...grind. You refused to go that route, and that's fine...you're not being punished if hologrinders are given credit (prolly a stupid badge or sack lunch to start the quest with knowing SOE). We (and others moreso than myself) suffered and waded thru BS profs, countless millions in credits, buying AP from anyone looking to rape us for letting us teach them (11,160 AP in my case), and MANY hours of mind numbing game experience (not gameplay that would be enjoyable)...doing what they told us we had to do basically to unlock. Now they say, "Gee we're sorry...changing the rules on you in the 11th hour...thanks for your effort". I'm not saying hologrinders should be GIVEN a FS spot...but something fair should be done for us toward the quests to finish our our goals. You kicked back and enjoyed yourself, didn't put forth that level of effort for whatever reasons...which AGAIN...is perfectly fine. But after suffering the grind...I hardly think it fair hologrinders be started in the quest system in the same capacity as every other player veteran or noob alike. Put yourself in our shoes...would you think it fair? It's bad enough the sick feeling inside when they changed the rules after MONTHS of work.
Again, if I read something wrong into your post/comment I apologize.
:-)
Jhyson-Bria
Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:49 pm
#1377
calomac wrote:
good god people.he didnt say that the publishes wernt going to come,he just said they have a set of prioritys that they have and feel that in the end will work out for the best.BE PATIENT dear god people they will come just wait for them then you can find some new crap to whine and complain about.and please exuse my spelling i cant spell to save my life.
Alot of us have been patient for over a year....
- with promised fixes (Combat Balancing in General, Galactic Civil War)
- fixes that come through, that get nerfed (Commando Flamethrower not working, fixed, then the damage nerfed)
- parts of fixes that wind up halfway done, and end up as nerfs (Commando Melee Midigation getting changed to Ranged Midigation but the 2.5 multipler on melee damage still remaining *supposedly part of the Combat Balancing*)
And these are only quick examples, off the top of my head, from one profession, I play and like alot! I know everyone that's been waiting for Combat Balancing, Galatic Civil War, Profession Revamps, or has a favoritehorse to beatmore than likely has a dozen things to add.
DakkTunon
Fri Jul 16, 2004 1:54 pm
#1378
Oh, and by the way in case you haven't noticed, they have had the cojones to post this but not respond to any of our major concerns. So, yet again, Jedi get bumped ahead in lime and we all sit back and are told to "Wait for the combat rebalance." I bet that post was put up just so that this one wouldn't show up first!
Message Edited by DakkTunon on 07-16-2004 03:55 PM