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Thread: Great Expectations, Major Schedule Changes and making SWG the finest MMORPG ever

Aracon
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:19 am
#1288






Javall wrote:

EVERQUEST 2!!!!!! WHO'S WITH ME!!!!!! .............................lol ...................... i didn't like this game anyways /cry






Yeah, that'll teach SOE. Take your money out of one of the games and put it in another!



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mills9
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:20 am
#1289

In the old days, LucasArts used to make them. Not anymore today though.
BruanFubil
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:20 am
#1290

There are plenty of good MMOs, (I heard City of Heroes is great) and there are a lot more to come still. Middle Earth Online, D&D Online, World of Warcraft.


Don't judge the genre by this game. I actually stopped playing SWG to go back and play Asheron's Call 1 (which is 5 years old in November) for a while. You can try that game if you want to see a game thats got its act together. Its not nearly as flexible and will never be on the same par with this and up coming MMOs but if you want a game that won't frustrate you to high hell then it works. Its fun and they're content isn't broken. The content is mostly combat/dungeon/quest oriented but given its age it puts out a lot. It even has gained in size and they've released a new server in June.


As is it is the ONLY game that can honestly say it has had an update (publish size) EVERY month since release coming to a total of 56 publishes. It has had 1 successful and as near perfect expansion as you could ever possibly be (even to a 1 player game).


Its a team that truely cares about its game. I bought the expansion for $20 at release which came out to actually only paying an extra $10 because it came with 1 month free AND the whole of the base game included. You only had to buy the expansion and you had everything everyone else had since launch.


Sorry to sound like an Advertisement for that game on your boards but maybe you can take a page out of their book?



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Ewoksean
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:21 am
#1291






Javall wrote:

EVERQUEST 2!!!!!! WHO'S WITH ME!!!!!! .............................lol ...................... i didn't like this game anyways /cry







No, Vanguard: Saga of Heros.


EQs development split in 2. The higher ranking guys went to VSH, and the morons went to EQ2. SOE is doing EQ2, VSH is now independant and is published by Microsoft.


Bill gates doesnt lie.




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AthenaF
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:22 am
#1292


I usually don't post in threads that have already expressed my views, but I have to emphasize what we are all feeling. This is the worst news I have heard yet. I have quit once before(and there are 4 accounts in my house) but came back for the Jedi Revamp. While it was a pretty nice revamp, nothing was explained and caused mass confusion as to how do the conversion or how to do the rank system (the CSR response on the rank was "ask another in the enclave", kinda hard when you are the only one on your server in the Dark enclave).


The point I am trying to make is that there is so much potential but a half ass job is being done, whether it is due to lack of resources, staff, or imagination, and this is in all aspects of the game. I do not blame this decision on the devs, they do not make these decisions, this came from above. And IMO Sony doesn't have a great track record in other aspects of their business aside from games.


The combat revamp and the GCW revamp were to be the saviors of SWG. PvP isn't fun any more. Everyone is the same few professions which are completely out of sync with all of the other professions (CH RIP). You can not fight templators unless you are a templator or you have at least 3x the amount of people to fight them. The GCW has never actually worked. The only things Imperials had going for them was ATSTs, and now they can be soled by one lone Rebel, along with all turrets. This has been snow balling for months. And we have been repeatedly promised the Combat/GCW revamp will fix everything... Well we are still waiting. All dev responses to almost all the correspondent's issues have been "wait for the CB/GCW revamp". Well what are we supposed to do now? I noticed you have introduced "1 sentence combat fixes" you have got to be kidding. We can't even write an email without having a bug attached, and you want us to put a combat issue in one sentence?


I guess I could list all the CB/GCW bugsand issues, but there is no real point. You guys know what is broke. I loved SWG for a long time, but over the past few months... you can only lose everything you worked for so many times, before you stop having fun. Let's be honest, I don't stay because it's Star Wars, or because of RP, or because of Jedi, I stay because of the friends I have made. But I am running out of reasons to stay, as many of my friends have quit and the number will only get larger now that the CB/GCW revamps have been postponed.


As for JTL, I have absolutely no interest in it. While it was supposed to bea nice addition to the game, it has become an insult. SOEs pure greed has destroyed this game, including JTL itself. As soon as the publishes started being late regularly, more staff should have been added. It seems pretty clear that the devs are understaffed and I'm sure under appeciated. But I am sure, if anything, they probably cut staff as a threat instead.


So, no JTL for me. Will I be staying? I will not threaten my patronage, thedecline insubscriptions will speak for itself.


/salute the devs for doing the best they could with what they had to work with

/salute TH for doing the worst job SOE has, PR

/salute Correspondents for doing PR without even getting paid

/salute The old dawgs for trying to make the best of a broken game


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Aakhperkare
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:23 am
#1293






Twiggy_Gorath wrote:

You guys gotta feel a bit sorry for Thunderheart though right? I mean, how many of us that actually have (or had) jobs get a promotion and all the *NEAT* things that go along with it?


Picture this guy getting some great news...


SOE_Suit01: Mr. Thunderheart! So good of you to join us this morning. We have some exciting news about your future in this organization!


Thunderheart: Hey thanks guys! What's up?


SOE_Suit01: Well, as you know our former Community relations champion is heading off to pursue other ventures, so we're offering you this highly prestigious and *cough* respected position!


Thunderheart: Uh, oooooh, thank you sirs! Um, hmmm.....


SOE_Suit01: Also, Mr. Thunderheart, once you get unpacked in your new corner office, we need you to unleash this on the community for us! Keep up the good work Mr. Thunderheart Community Leader-kinda Guy!





Meanwhile on a golf course somewhere in Texas or Southern California....


Q-3PO: FORE!!!!!!!







I can't help but blame TH too. If only for his treatment of the Creature Handler profession with his asinine "poke" comments and complete ignorance concerning our issues...


...Much-less his ignorance in the past on MANY MANY issues. This about the most PATHETIC dev team ever assembled. But you want to know what the upside will be? The cartoons and jokes that will be made about SWG and it's creators...


Javall
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:24 am
#1294






Aracon wrote:





Javall wrote:

EVERQUEST 2!!!!!! WHO'S WITH ME!!!!!! .............................lol ...................... i didn't like this game anyways /cry






Yeah, that'll teach SOE. Take your money out of one of the games and put it in another!





soe just runs the servers it's the developers that screwed this game we leave, their paychecks leave with us



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obi10972
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:24 am
#1295

ThunderHeart

Simple Request. We all want JTL to come out quickly and be bug free. However, we have been waiting for the Combat/GCW fixes longer. You are possibly losing customers by pushing the sale of JTL before fixing current game issues for your loyal customers. As the person who is supposed to relay all this info to the Devs and SOE corp i implore you to have them pull the people to fix combat now and finish JTL later. People might be reading these boards and see the problems with SWG now and base this as their decision on whether or not to purchase JTL. I have enjoyed this game for a year and will continue to do so. I have lost a lot of ingame friends over the last 2 months because of the combat problems and i don't wish to lose anymore. So i ask you please have them reconsider the direction the game is moving to.


Loyal Customer



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DarthJar
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:25 am
#1296

Just another side note to this whole horsepoop announcement.

If SOE had done what it should have done in the beginning, and put the ENTIRE SWG universe including ships at our disposal in the beginning, you wouldn't be having this massive Palace Revolt.

SOE Managers have got to be the stupidest managers on the face of the planet. I thought I had seen incompetance before, but you people absolutely taken the cake.

and for you nimrods who keep saying "oh they won't quit"

I have just cancelled both of my accounts and SOE... I have been a faithful customer of yours for more than 7 years.

The idiocy in this decision has finally torn it for me.

Goodbye and good riddance.
wussynip
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:26 am
#1297

Ewoksean Lucas Arts and ILM do not get along.Lucas Artsare the *edit* idiots of Star Wars. And the inbreeds of Lucasfilms Ltd.



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DFA-FrstbyteOO
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:27 am
#1298


Although I have a neutral opinion on the push back of the CR, I can certianly understand where people are coming from that are pissed of at the priorities SOE has set.


you say it should take the WHOLE Dev team to do the CR correctly, and I totally agree. My question is, Why in the hell is there only HALF a team working on it atm then? Take the other half OFF of JtL, and get the whole team working on fixing the game in its current state before you start producing your next product.


If I went out and bought a brand new Dodge Viper (justpicking any old expensive car) and get it home and find out there are problems with the engine, steering, transmission, electrical systems, and then haveDaimler Chryslertell me "youll have to wait at least ayear before we can fix it, cuz we are working on the next SUV model right now, but just make sure you still make your car payments on time until then." Yeah sure I can still drive the thing around, but its just flat out broken reguardless. Now I would be really pissed off at Daimler Chryslerfor pushing back the repair of my car Im paying for, so they can get the next SUV model made to make even more money, instead of spending money, time, resources, manpower, or whatever it takes to to fix the problems thier current product has.And I would be DAMN sure I would NEVER ever ever buy another Daimler Chryslerproduct again (JtL).




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Amesri-Ethagoulvi
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:27 am
#1299


its not scare mongering its reality. while all the pre pub 9 unlockers got to go out and immediately play their jedi we get a nice message. woot now what? we cant play our jedi, we cant see our jedi, we dont know our jedi. nor do we know if we get screwed, unlike all previous unlockers and our main is our jedi. I think the devs should at least let unlockers go to tc and play their jedi there and at least do something constructive while we hold our breath for pub 10. I would love to test out the system and help find bugs while I wait for something that no one else has had to wait for.



Yes I am a little bitter, as many people must feel after missing the deadline. And unlocking late. The truth is I only did that last profession because of a guildmate. who told me of this post on the chilastra boards and bet me a mil it would open me. well im out a mil, no big deal. but the wait and reading of how many probelms there are now with jedi after the big fix is scary. 2 1/2 worthless force trees. again its not scare mongering its the reality of it. People worked their arses off to obtain something. some people are reaping the rewards while others who put in just as much time and effort and many people putting in more time and effort than those who unlocked in 15 or less. sit riding the bench waiting for the coach to call their name.



Those of us who are patiently waiting not by choice but by the law of SOE should demand they put their heart and soul into doing this right. we paid we played now we wait for the best. Its time for the devs to do the right thing. listen to feedback and fix the probelms so they can move on and not have to worry about jedi for a long time to come. Isnt that what a revamp is supposed to do? Fix a problem so you dont need to touch it again for a long time to come?But it looks like by ignoring the feedback theres more problems now than there was before.



All the paying customer wants is adequate service for their money. and they expect a product to work, be in good condition. Let me tell you if i were to have to deliver a packeage left in our bldg that a driver forgot and i took it to the customer and it was open, torn apart and half the contents were missing guess what UPS would be paying for it. If you go to walmart and buy a color tv and you get it home and it only has half the screen displaying and its in black and white you would expect a refund or replacement. If you signed a contract for a painter to paint your car or house and they painted it the wrong color broke your windows and left a mess all over the place you would expect them to fix the work and damage.



so why should we expect any less from the team at SOE. stop pushing out half broken crap publishes take your time and get it right. Would it have hurt you DEV TEAM to wait another month to puch 9 to live? Would it have HURT YOU DEV TEAM to listen to your customer base? Would it have hurt you DEV TEAM to actually take the time and make sure your doing something right the first time? If this wasnt star wars I would have gone long ago. I thought UO had some screwed up publishes but you guys have taken the cake lately. the facts are here for you to see. every single profession has flaws. your big MONEY draw profession is flawed badly and you are making it worse from the sounds of things. If any other type of business that wasnt star wars conducted business in this manner it would be out of business in a very short time.




Business is about making the customer happy. and right now the natives are restless.


Zoomer30
Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:27 am
#1300

The devs are seeing a whole TERAM of doctors if they think they can get JTL done in 3 months. Cant be done!!!


They are not allowing for bugs. Kinda hard to test the game when your testing on a LAN or a high speed network (not real world at all), so LAG will be an issue. Gonna take a beta 2-3x as long to fix that.


I feel it will slip to December, then with the delays it will get pushed back to 2005.



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