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Thread: Pro/Anti AFK/Bot/Macro All Purpose Sticky
Dreamland wrote:
KaceyBronson wrote:
Dreamland wrote:
I've gone over the PVP thing add nauseum already, yes i have combat skills, ive done every combat profession going except fencer rifle and commando.
Having combat skills and PvPing are two different things. I didnt ask if you had combat skills, I didnt ask if you PvE. I asked if you PvP.
Yes i have pvp'ed, i was pvp'ing about 45 minutes ago on TC2 ahazi trying to get a buff and armor free tournament going. Refer to my above post on the concept of how everyone will be on the same level in competing for entertainer buffs.
KaceyBronson wrote:
you seem to be totally missing my point. Or you are trying to ignore it.
I DON'T WANT TO WASTE MY PVP TIMESEARCHING FOR A MIND BUFF.
I shouldnt have to.
Then why is having something that completly ruins one group of gamers experience so that you can better enjoy your pvp experience the best solution? Particularily with the combat revamp in the works?
Why is it i have to have my play value destroyed for the fact that you feel you shouldn't have to take the time to get buffs? These are options your pvp oponents will have to weigh too. Are mind buffs worth my time to go get?? or should i just jump in and go. At this point htey become the added bonus they were always meant to be rather than the percieved necesity they have become.
It inspires team work, join a guild that has entertainers, joining a guild is always going to make you more powerful, so include entertainers in your guild, make friends with them. Then you and your comrades will have the edge over the oposing team.
Message Edited by Dreamland on 09-09-2004 04:09 PM
Dreamland wrote:
Then why is having something that completly ruins one group of gamers experience so that you can better enjoy your pvp experience the best solution? Particularily with the combat revamp in the works?
Why is it i have to have my play value destroyed for the fact that you feel you shouldn't have to take the time to get buffs? These are options your pvp oponents will have to weigh too. Are mind buffs worth my time to go get?? or should i just jump in and go. At this point htey become the added bonus they were always meant to be rather than the percieved necesity they have become.
It inspires team work, join a guild that has entertainers, joining a guild is always going to make you more powerful, so include entertainers in your guild, make friends with them. Then you and your comrades will have the edge over the oposing team.
Message Edited by Dreamland on 09-09-2004 04:09 PM
First off I am a guild leader. I have pleanty of entertainer friends. And since we will never agree they need to fix the afk issue....a nice little timer will work
KaceyBronson wrote:
First off I am a guild leader. I have pleanty of entertainer friends. And since we will never agree they need to fix the afk issue....a nice little timer will work
Isendel wrote:Again.. That is so offencive i cant actually type what i think of what you said. People have th eright to be loners... We have finite time and being forced to spend time with people we dont like is forced on us all day long in our real lived. It should not be forced on us in a game we play to have fun. You can not use the fact that your experience as an entertainer is not what you thaught it would be as licence for the devs to do something harmfull to the play of other people. Buff bots make us happy. They allow us to play the game in an effecient way that many find pleasing. Forceing the time sink of making us find a live entertainer, and then convenceing the entertainer to buff us or heal us is wrong. [sic]
Wow - I almost regret the fact that I got to this thread late. There are so many good points that I wanted to make, but others have beat me to them, and stated them rather well. Still there are a few left.
First off, Isendel, if you are such a loner, why are you playing a multi-player game in the first place? The whole concept is to play in a virtual world filled with other live players, and to interact with each other to form hunting groups and provide services. If you want to be such a loner, why not play a single player game? Many of the popular ones have special codes that you can use to get infinite ammunition and weapons, teleport you to any level of the game, or even make you invulnerable. All that and you don't have to waste your time being forced to interact with anyone. You can play these types of games any way you want, and no one will care.
Now your last sentence is the most interesting one. So you think it's "wrong" that players should have to go and seek out entertainers and ask them to heal wounds or buff? I hate to tell you, but this is a game mechanic - it's what the developers intended people to do - it's the way the game is supposed to work. If you really have a problem with the way the game is supposed to work, you really shouldn't be playing it, or at the very least you shouldn't complain about it. By extension I suppose you think it's wrong to have to find a doctor, and ask for a heal, or a buff, or even a res. What about armorsmiths? Sure most have a vendor, but then you have to go and and find a vendor of a good one. Then what if they don't happen to have what you want in stock on the vendor? Then you might have to make the effort to find another vendor, or possibly even contact a live armorsmith and convince them to make you want you want. But then I suppose that would be wrong too.
Ok, ok, maybe that's not what you meant. Maybe what you really meant was that you think the whole concept of having entertainers with the role of doing mind heals and buffs is wrong. Maybe you think that that role should be given over to doctors, or automated mind heal/buff stations or be non-existent entirely. Well that certainly is a valid issue from a game design point of view, but again, the problem is that that decision has already been made. The developers want entertainers in the game, and that's the way the game works. No one is forcing you to play. Again I say, if you are really bothered by the way the game works, then don't play it. Now as that is the way the game works, many of us took up these professions to play this particular part in the game. Now while there are in-game ways to duplicate our mechanics (med centers heal mind wounds over time, cantinas heal BF over time, brandy and spices can give short term mind boosts), and the devs may be revamping them or adding other mitigators, the best service still comes from an actual entertainer. Are you really saying that our whole game mechanic and the role we play, and most of us enjoy playing, is wrong?
One last thing I have time to point out. You, and other bot owners, keep saying that people like bots. I hate to burst your bubble, but with the exception of those who perhaps appreciate complex macros, no one really "likes" bots. If there were machines available for people to walk up to and get mind buffs and heals from at the push of the button either with no payment or even as much as 10k or 15k I bet, how much traffic do you think your bots would get? I bet almost none at all - certainly not worth keeping a bot for. Why? Because people don't like bots. They like the buffs and heals, and given the choice they might rather have them removed entirely. Heck, why stop there. Why not even remove doctors from the game. Then you could remove the entire hassle of any buffs and heals - maybe make some special loot items take their place. But then again, that's not the way the game works. The funny thing is, that now that I think about it, I think entertainers would fare better in a game with mind buffing/healing machines, but no buff bots. At least then people wouldn't confuse the machines with live entertainers - we wouldn't be thought of as the same things, but then I'm not sure I'd want to play a role where I was no more useful than a speederbike mechanic...
Dreamland wrote:
KaceyBronson wrote:
First off I am a guild leader. I have pleanty of entertainer friends. And since we will never agree they need to fix the afk issue....a nice little timer will work
I honestly dont understand where your coming from. You want buffbots? yet you want this nice little timer in 10 minutes that disconects you? your not making any sense.
I run a "buff bot" but I check on her constanlty. as do my friends who run buff bots. I dont like looking for entertainers in cantinas. It is a waste of my time. I get annoyed when people say buff bots ruin the game, they dont. or when some "dancer" says that buff bots steal buisness, they don't. and i am probably not making sense to people who dont read my entire post. Where they pick through them to find the points to argue with. there is 3 buff bots that i know of on scylla not including my self and i have spoken to everyone of them. people dont seem to understand we have our own little cummunity where we pass around ideas with either the bot or the main. Like I said earlier you guys need to look at both sides and stop thinking of yourselves. our customers come to us not only because we are always on but because we do offer enertainment, most of us have vendors and it is rare to be in a buff house alone. IMO we are the true entertainers. How often do you go out IRL to see a performance and get to talk to the entertainer or musicians there? You dont, you talk to the other people there, shop and sometimes have a small conversation with one of the perfomers. When you go to the cantinas you are usually told you need to wait. or that they are busy then the same people who say this to me are upset that i go to a buff bot?
On a different note, the buff bots that stay out of the cantinas are upset about afk buff bots in cantinas as well. they are taking buisness from us as well
so bottom line put your customers needs and wants before yoursand maybe then you will make money like we do
KaceyBronson wrote:
I run a "buff bot" but I check on her constanlty. as do my friends who run buff bots. I dont like looking for entertainers in cantinas. It is a waste of my time. I get annoyed when people say buff bots ruin the game, they dont. or when some "dancer" says that buff bots steal buisness, they don't. and i am probably not making sense to people who dont read my entire post. Where they pick through them to find the points to argue with. there is 3 buff bots that i know of on scylla not including my self and i have spoken to everyone of them. people dont seem to understand we have our own little cummunity where we pass around ideas with either the bot or the main. Like I said earlier you guys need to look at both sides and stop thinking of yourselves. our customers come to us not only because we are always on but because we do offer enertainment, most of us have vendors and it is rare to be in a buff house alone. IMO we are the true entertainers. How often do you go out IRL to see a performance and get to talk to the entertainer or musicians there? You dont, you talk to the other people there, shop and sometimes have a small conversation with one of the perfomers. When you go to the cantinas you are usually told you need to wait. or that they are busy then the same people who say this to me are upset that i go to a buff bot?
On a different note, the buff bots that stay out of the cantinas are upset about afk buff bots in cantinas as well. they are taking buisness from us as well
so bottom line put your customers needs and wants before yoursand maybe then you will make money like we do
Tell me something, if your at the keys 90% of the time that your on is it realy such a horrible imposition to have to stop for that small amount of time. How can i possibly make this clear to you. BUFFBOTS RUIN MY GAME. THEY RUIN THE GAMEPLAY OF THE OTHER ENTERAINERS LIKE MYSELF THAT AGREE WITH ME. WE ARE STANDING HERE TELLING YOU THAT THEY DO, SO WHAT DO YOU GET OUT OF PERPETUALY COMING HERE TO TELL ME THAT THEY DON'T. Does that make it more clear to you, can you understand that while YES bufbots are convenient to you and your friends they damage my play experience.
The devs removing LONG TERM UNATENDED PLAY is the issue here, You will still be able to step away for 5-10 minutes to atend to whatever real life things you need to atend to. NO ONE is telling you we want to make it imposible for you to step away for a few moments. If being able to step away for a reasonable afk time is the only thing your worried about you are WASTING EVERYONES TIME because that is not what is going to happen, nor is it what anyone is advocating.
Please stop making supositions about the WAY I PLAY as well. I am not rude to people in the cantina,I am not hard to find, andI am tired of being clasified as such
If your goal here is to make me angry then you've suceeded so garva can feel free to delete this post if he sees fit. But take your broken record spiel that buffbots don't harm my gameplay, when you have absolutely no idea what its done to my gameplay, and keep it to yourself until you have something more concrete to saythan nuh uh bufbots are goodI dont see how they harm you.
Message Edited by Dreamland on 09-09-2004 08:38 PM
Message Edited by Dreamland on 09-09-2004 08:37 PM
KaceyBronson wrote:I get annoyed when people say buff bots ruin the game, they dont. or when some "dancer" says that buff bots steal buisness, they don't.
But at the same time you also say:
KaceyBronson wrote:I dont like looking for entertainers in cantinas. It is a waste of my time.
Don't you see that you've just said that your business that could have gone to a live entertainer will instead go to a bot simply because it might be easier to find and you don't want to bother looking for a live entertainer? If the bot weren't available you would either have to find the live entertainer or do without. If you would choose to find the live entertainer over doing without in that circumstance, then you would have to admit that buffbots steal business. But wait then toward the end of your post you also said ...
KaceyBronson wrote:On a different note, the buff bots that stay out of the cantinas are upset about afk buff bots in cantinas as well. they are taking buisness from us as well
So now you're telling us that buffbots are stealing business from other buffbots? And buffbot owners are upset about this?? So either you, yourself, don't even believe your first statement about buffbots not stealing business, or you're expecting us to believe that buffbots can only steal business from other buffbots, but not from live entertainers.
I always think it's kinda funny how it's usually the buffbot owners and users who keep insisting that bots aren't ruining the entertainer's game or taking the entertainer's business. Funny how it's only the live entertainers who keep making those kind of claims... Oh, and one more thing Kasey:
KaceyBronson wrote:so bottom line put your customers needs and wants before yours and maybe then you will make money like we do
So since I insist on giving my character that personal touch when I deal with clients, I suppose that if I take your advice, all I need to do is, oh, quit my job, abandon my other hobbies, blow off my social life, and stock up on caffeine tablets so that I can stay up for 23 hours straight everyday so that I can be sure to be there any time any potential customer needs me. That should certainly put the customer's needs sufficiently above my own that I can start making some bot-style money, and that's certainly not unreasonable to ask.
(Oh, and notice that the quote come from throughout your post, so yes, I did read the whole thing.)
Phantom_M-O-L wrote:
I have very little respect for a dancer that is crying on the fourms that the buff bot are killing my game, but in the cantina you just stand there and do not try to get people to come to you and get buff.
So you know us all personaly? and have witnesed us blatantly being rude to people and refusing buffs. You talk alot about being ofended by what people have said to you, how amI supposed to feel when you come in here and make suppositions like this, that all live entertainers are horrible eliteists that refuse to buff people? Thats called a generalization.