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Thread: Pro/Anti AFK/Bot/Macro All Purpose Sticky
Isendel
Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:10 am
#118
Again Drygo, you obviously dont know much about combat. Come out and fight me some time and ill show you how essential buffs are. I will ALLWAYS be buffed... If you remove buff bots, you put my opponents at a disadvantage.
You need to learn how to make a customer base, and friends. I have 30-40 players that all ways seek me out when im on live entertaineing.. Get a droid, make the show cool.. Use the macros to your advantage. People will pay to see you and you will make money. Will you make doc level cash? No.. Should you? Absolutely not.
And you may not have been abusive but MANY entertainers are.
Mind buffs are an essential and your argumens have not shown otherwise. All i read from your posts is the same hate against buff bots that you have been posting all this week.
Buff bots are helpfull and players like them. Removeing them with cause lots of canceled accounts and angry players.
Dreamland
Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:10 am
#119
gesikah wrote:
I honestly don't see what all the drama is about. If this is just about the money, then there are other ways of coming by it. Is it some kind of principle I am missing? No one is stopping you from entertaining. If you aren't having fun or making money, maybe this isn't the profession for you. I don't think when the devs were creating the entertainer prof, they had in mind "Everyone stand in a heap in the cantina and gripe about the afk-ers and bots". There are empty theaters and cantinas everywhere that I have never seen in use. Never have I ever heard of someone putting on a concert or "ballet".
Cantina crawl series, Starport jam series. Both massive events that put entertainers out there in the public eyeto entertain. Maybe you've never heard because you just aren't listening. Many other servers besides bria have their own variants of these.
What its about is feeling like your a part of the community,I dont feel like a part of the community when what i do is done for free 24 hours a day by someone that thinks im just a hassle to bother with.
Dreamland
Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:14 am
#120
Isendel wrote:
Again Drygo, you obviously dont know much about combat. Come out and fight me some time and ill show you how essential buffs are. I will ALLWAYS be buffed... If you remove buff bots, you put my opponents at a disadvantage.
You need to learn how to make a customer base, and friends. I have 30-40 players that all ways seek me out when im on live entertaineing.. Get a droid, make the show cool.. Use the macros to your advantage. People will pay to see you and you will make money. Will you make doc level cash? No.. Should you? Absolutely not.
And you may not have been abusive but MANY entertainers are.
Mind buffs are an essential and your argumens have not shown otherwise. All i read from your posts is the same hate against buff bots that you have been posting all this week.
Buff bots are helpfull and players like them. Removeing them with cause lots of canceled accounts and angry players.
I used to have many pvp friends, and i have participated in pvp. I now have NO pvp friends because they all quit the game. They quit the game because overabundance of buffs and rediculous armor combined with unbalanced templates have made pvp formulatic and unfun. These issues are all meant to be dealt with by the combat balance. This is called progress, and removing unatended play is part of that progress.
Do you honestly want to spend the next year going to buffbots and doctorsso you can get into your 90% composite and go use the same boring tactics over and over for the next year. I sure don't. Many of the other pvp players sure don't either and thats why its being changed.
Message Edited by Dreamland on 09-09-2004 12:18 PM
gesikah
Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:17 am
#121
Oh I forgot this part:
From a consumer's point of view, what I would really like to see the devs do for the Ent prof (crafters too really) is a better, more "in your face" form of advertisement. Perhaps some sort of in-game yellow pages with ads (since the planet map is pretty useless in most cases, ie the number of vendors named misc/stuff or just "resources") or a billboard system (maybe like in the shuttling loading screen thingy).
Sure the forums are a good place for this type of thing, but I don't think they take into consideration enough that there are MANY of us that *gasp* primilary just play the game.
Ok, that was a bit off-topic. So to bring it back around:
I think this would be a fantastic way of advertising concerts, etc in game. Aside from weddings, as a player who rarely visits the forums, etc. I never hear about these events and feel that I am missing out on an entire corner of the game. I would love to see what formal, choreographed events the "true" entertainers can come up with. :-)
From a consumer's point of view, what I would really like to see the devs do for the Ent prof (crafters too really) is a better, more "in your face" form of advertisement. Perhaps some sort of in-game yellow pages with ads (since the planet map is pretty useless in most cases, ie the number of vendors named misc/stuff or just "resources") or a billboard system (maybe like in the shuttling loading screen thingy).
Sure the forums are a good place for this type of thing, but I don't think they take into consideration enough that there are MANY of us that *gasp* primilary just play the game.
Ok, that was a bit off-topic. So to bring it back around:
I think this would be a fantastic way of advertising concerts, etc in game. Aside from weddings, as a player who rarely visits the forums, etc. I never hear about these events and feel that I am missing out on an entire corner of the game. I would love to see what formal, choreographed events the "true" entertainers can come up with. :-)
Isendel
Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:18 am
#122
Are you kidding.. There have ALL ways been more docs then entertainers, all the way back to beta... Buff bots have nothing to do with it. The only thing that actually damages the profession your type of short sitedness, and the holo grind...
Dreamland
Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:19 am
#123
Isandel, your not even bringing up any valid points anymore all your doing is drifting more and more into inflamitory and insulting posts.
rayill
Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:20 am
#124
Isendel wrote:
Again Drygo, you obviously dont know much about combat. Come out and fight me some time and ill show you how essential buffs are. I will ALLWAYS be buffed... If you remove buff bots, you put my opponents at a disadvantage.
You need to learn how to make a customer base, and friends. I have 30-40 players that all ways seek me out when im on live entertaineing.. Get a droid, make the show cool.. Use the macros to your advantage. People will pay to see you and you will make money. Will you make doc level cash? No.. Should you? Absolutely not.
And you may not have been abusive but MANY entertainers are.
Mind buffs are an essential and your argumens have not shown otherwise. All i read from your posts is the same hate against buff bots that you have been posting all this week.
Buff bots are helpfull and players like them. Removeing them with cause lots of canceled accounts and angry players.
You obviously don't know Drygo. I know I don't have to defend him, but don't start telling someone that they don't know what they are doing if you have never met them or seen them in action. I've seen Drygo perform. I know exactly what he is capable as an entertainer. He's actually very skilled and talented at buffing and entertaining. He's also very good at combat. If you want to make this a personal beef against Drygo, take it to the PMs.
Isendel
Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:20 am
#125
The only thing wrong with combat ballance today is armor.. Nerf armor, problem solved with combat.. Buffs are not the issue...
They are needed in combat.
Dreamland
Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:24 am
#126
Isendel wrote:
The only thing wrong with combat ballance today is armor.. Nerf armor, problem solved with combat.. Buffs are not the issue...
They are needed in combat.
Yes they are taking time to wait to put 90% of the development team on the combat rebalance after jump to lightspeed just to nerf armor.
Armor was designed before buffs, the controling factor on armor usage is encumbrance, past a certain point it becomes useless if the encumbrance is to high, buffs make encumbrance irelivant, alowing the use of armor that normaly would be totaly useless and unwearable, so yeah buffs are the issue.
Message Edited by Dreamland on 09-09-2004 12:29 PM
rayill
Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:27 am
#127
gesikah wrote:
Oh I forgot this part:
From a consumer's point of view, what I would really like to see the devs do for the Ent prof (crafters too really) is a better, more "in your face" form of advertisement. Perhaps some sort of in-game yellow pages with ads (since the planet map is pretty useless in most cases, ie the number of vendors named misc/stuff or just "resources") or a billboard system (maybe like in the shuttling loading screen thingy).
Sure the forums are a good place for this type of thing, but I don't think they take into consideration enough that there are MANY of us that *gasp* primilary just play the game.
Ok, that was a bit off-topic. So to bring it back around:
I think this would be a fantastic way of advertising concerts, etc in game. Aside from weddings, as a player who rarely visits the forums, etc. I never hear about these events and feel that I am missing out on an entire corner of the game. I would love to see what formal, choreographed events the "true" entertainers can come up with. :-)
See, I think this is very on topic for this because it is trying to give insight on a way to make entertainers easier to access. It would help both sides of the fences. I personally think your idea would be great, and it would be a way to bring about "Agents". This could work to bring some interdependency between Merchants and Entertainers, which has been mused a few times before. However, it's still a good idea and could help with making things better for everyone.
Drygo
Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:28 am
#128
Isendel wrote:
Again Drygo, you obviously dont know much about combat. Come out and fight me some time and ill show you how essential buffs are. I will ALLWAYS be buffed... If you remove buff bots, you put my opponents at a disadvantage.
You sound like a school yard bully. Sheesh. Not that I'm actually going to go "fight" you. LOL. But, you're the one who keeps ignoring the completely valid arguments that I am making. In a world without buffbots, every person is on an equal playing field. You either get buffs or you don't. And, if you get them it's because your alt or a friend or a person selling his/her wares gives you one. These are the same options that anybody else has. There are no advantages or disadvantages in this world, merely encouragement to respect entertainers and invite them into your guilds and your circle of friends so that you are assured a buff. It's a win-win situation for everybody involved.
And as for your comment about me not knowing much about combat, the last two duels I was in I won...without mind buffs. /shrug
You need to learn how to make a customer base, and friends. I have 30-40 players that all ways seek me out when im on live entertaineing.. Get a droid, make the show cool.. Use the macros to your advantage. People will pay to see you and you will make money. Will you make doc level cash? No.. Should you? Absolutely not.
And you may not have been abusive but MANY entertainers are.
Yourassumptions speak volumes about your ignorance. And your assertions about my incompetence as an entertainer are nothing but insulting. I would ask that you stop making statements such as in the aboveparagraph because I honestly don't know how much longer I can "be a bigger person" here. Seriously. Verbal smackdowns, they are a comin'.
Mind buffs are an essential and your argumens have not shown otherwise. All i read from your posts is the same hate against buff bots that you have been posting all this week.
Mind buffs are not essential, and your arguments have not shown otherwise. All I read from your posts is an unwillingness to look at this issue from somebody else's perspective who has had different experiences than you, as well as your failure to realize that your supposed success as an entertainer is a minority experience within the game.
Buff bots are helpfull and players like them. Removeing them with cause lots of canceled accounts and angry players.
Buffbots are damaging and players hate them. Leaving them unchecked causes entertainers to quit entertaining, to become angry, and to cancel accounts on a regular basis. I should know, I myself have been one of the many who cancelled, only to resubscribe the very day I found out the recursive macro was being removed, in the hopes that our professions will one day be valid again.
Doriana
Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:32 am
#129
Isendel wrote:The only thing wrong with combat ballance today is armor.. Nerf armor, problem solved with combat.. Buffs are not the issue...They are needed in combat.
Wrong.
Buffs being overavailable nullifies the negative effects of armor. Without buffs we wouldn't be able to wear the 90% comp and still spam specials. The problem isn't the armor, the problem is that the armor's negative side is cancelled out.
Dreamland
Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:35 am
#130
And the spamming of specials as she mentions agravates the imbalance even further, another thing that buffs have enabled.
Doriana wrote:
Isendel wrote:
The only thing wrong with combat ballance today is armor.. Nerf armor, problem solved with combat.. Buffs are not the issue...
They are needed in combat.
Wrong.
Buffs being overavailable nullifies the negative effects of armor. Without buffs we wouldn't be able to wear the 90% comp and still spam specials. The problem isn't the armor, the problem is that the armor's negative side is cancelled out.