Dancer Archive
Thread: AFK Dancers and Musicans who Macro
On another note (trying to understand where you AFKers are coming from), what do you hope to do once you've made it to master entertainer or dancer or musician? Do you plan on setting up your master to play just to detract from the newer players? Do you plan on not entertaining in your limited play opportunites? I just don't understand what you're trying to get to..
I will gladly Answer you on this.
Well, I said I don't have ALOT of time, not the time need to Reach Master Musician Manually quickly.
Though, I never said I don't always have time.
I hope to socialize better, in afuturewhenever I have plenty oftime.
I will find a second job, soon plus going to Graduates school so I imagine time will get thinner.
But again, I PLAN to get on for 1-3 hours day toRock/Socialize AFK/Live Combo, after I reach Master Musician. I won't need to AFK for XP anymore, so I would be happy to Focus on socializing and groove
(Let's look at how much XP it is need every block from MT Or MK II (125,000), IF I do all this manually)
I get about 25 Xp per 10 second, so thats 150 XP per minute = 9000XPper hour
I could however fit in 1-3 play hours intoSWG gaming as a wholedaily...make it 1.5 for music time
9000*1.5=13500 per day
That equal9 days+ (Those of you not following, excuse me, I go fast on Math
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Times that 6 blocks= 54 days (2 month)
So, I would need about 2 month to reach Musician XP
That meansTOO LONG!
Ipersonally find people who are skilled inMacroing are very smart..
IMO it's like programming (My job and interest), see if you can using the system to become smart, become almost unstoppable by others.
I am NOT talking about unlawful exploits, by this kind of AFK Macroing I am NOT dupping item, nor am I making a lot of money from it (Granted, if patrons want to tip me, they can, but I am not exploiting their money, forcing them to tip me). I am only getting Musician XP! So, it should be fine!
Magna,
At first I thought your posts were reasonable -- but as this discussion has progressed you've gotten a bit more haughty, a bit supercillious and altogether too preachy. Your issue isn't, really, with the fact that people AFK/macro the profession. At least, that'swhat I've gotten out of your posts. Instead you're unhappy with inconsiderate people who do it, and do it badly, in a public cantina. You know what? You've every right to be unhappy with inconsiderate people -- and I think you should be unhappy with them. I get unhappy with them myself.
However, if some player chooses to find a corner of Coronet, Theed or any where else to play or dance while they're not at the keyboard -- what's the damage to you? What's the actual genuine impact to the game and the quality of your experience? I'd posit the possible impact is probably only beneficial -- more advanced musicians mean less Folk, Rock, Starwars 1 and Starwars 2. That can only be a good thing.
JediMutant gets a little overly flustered with the whole issue, IMHO -- but you're not helping by turning a dislike of inconsiderate players into a public beating of a gaming mechanism you don't personally use or like. The issue here seems to be that people are sometimes dorks in a cantina -- I've seen plenty of live players act that way as well -- let's not confuse this with a gaming mechanism which you may or may not enjoy.
It's a game folks -- some people like to do things a different way. Let's not try and get all judgemental because we think Raph called us up to explain how the Musician should work. Last I checked, I was unaware of any public connection between anyone here and him or SOE beyond NewJedi's Correspondent position.
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The situation currently is that no other profession can powerlevel (without the use of 3rd party programs, a violation of the TOS) in their sleep. Any other profession would take a couple months for someone playing at a casual pace to master. There is a lot of XP expenses built into this game so that there aren't masters in 2 weeks. I don't really see any reason that the entertainer professions should have an exemption to this. I really can't say I have a lot of sympathy for people who feel that there is a need to AFK I'm hardly a teenager on summer break
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Oh really? So I guess the scout macro thatplants 24 camps (all the slots on the toolbar full of them) and get camp xp for 12 hours isnt an example of scouts being able to gain xp in their sleep. how does being at the keys for 30 mins while a timer for the camp xp counts down make make that xp mean more?
Or there is the Artisan sample macro.
Then there is the Doc dancer combo that work as a team with the docs macro using stim packs to heal the dancers action pool. I'd go so far as to say the majority of medics love afk entertainers because they are a reliable steady source of xp
I belivee that was 3 examples of other professions doing what you said cant be done
Snorf
I'm going to start inviting people that are going to go AFK, just so I can /stopband them once they're gone...
grrrrrrrr
(Ok, the bad mood may be because I'm posting from work, but it's really been bugging me lately.)
Oh please do! as an AFK macroer it won't work unless you like to stop band every 10 secs.
thats because in front of every flourish I do is this little line /startmusic <insert best song>; /bandflourish off;/Flourish <insert number> ;/pause 10;
As I have said actually I don't really care to group except I had a ton of tells requesting that I group. My macro for music has no speech in it whatsoever but I do have a seperate speech macro that says welcome please put all guns away as they scare me./pause 10; Olease refrain from shooting in this canitna as it ruins the song. /pause 10; If you must kill each other please take it outside /pause 3000;
Staburaz wrote:Oh really? So I guess the scout macro that plants 24 camps (all the slots on the toolbar full of them) and get camp xp for 12 hours isnt an example of scouts being able to gain xp in their sleep. how does being at the keys for 30 mins while a timer for the camp xp counts down make make that xp mean more?
Or there is the Artisan sample macro.
Then there is the Doc dancer combo that work as a team with the docs macro using stim packs to heal the dancers action pool. I'd go so far as to say the majority of medics love afk entertainers because they are a reliable steady source of xp
I belivee that was 3 examples of other professions doing what you said cant be done
Snorf
Ok, I'll admit that I was unaware of the scout macro and I have to admit when I read it I laughed that someone thought this was necessary but I can certainly imagine people doing this. So scouts can raise their wilderness survival XP in a macro which is 1 branch of their profession as opposed to all 4 branches for a musician/dancer. And while I've seen a lot of medics in the cantinas healing folks for XP. I've never run across one with a AFK macro. I know several medics who have macros to cut down on the clicky, clicky aspect of the process (a perfectly valid use for a macro) but they have been consistently present in my experience. It is quite possible that some medics have this rigged to run while they are AFK I can see how that macro would be set up as long as you had a reliable target such as an AFKEnt or even better as part of the entertainer group. Not that I think having a use for the medic to grind XP with another AFK macro is a good reason for there to be an AFKEnt in the first place. So I stand corrected, Other professions can in fact gain significant XP while AFK.
Trying to get the artisan sample macro to fall under 'powerleveling' is silly (surveyor was my first title post release w/out a sampling macro). There is nowhere to go with the sampling XP & it is IMHO the easiest XP in the game. Despite the lack of value to the sampling XP in the game the devs have stated that the AFK sampling macro is not working the way they intended and that it is an exploit. Regardless of the merits of that argument either way they have gone to great pains to try and stop the AFK sampling practice although not particularly successfully yet.
I am not one of the people who think there is significant merit in ckicking a button thousands of times and admit there are many valid uses for macros. In general I think if the AFKEnts were more considerate of the players actually in the game (like this thread was originally discussing) AFK would be a non-issue. As it stands with AFKers (not all of you just the ones that everyone sees all the time) irritating other players I think there is eventually going to be something done to make AFKing more difficult in a series of attempts to stop it altogether. Really I hope that if that happens it doesn't break the macro system so much that the very valid uses of it are lost in the process.
There's certainly reason to bitch and moan.
When the (non)play of others hinders my experience, I'll bitch until it's changed.
And this isn't an argument anymore wether you're right or wrong for AFK macroing. You're ruining the game for others, and that's wrong.
The point now is to get a developer response to the issue and an effective way of fixing this broken situation.
The argument is over, no one is saying you're evil for AFK macroing or debating wether it's good gameplay. It's not gameplay.
if im going to be afk for more than an hour, i will go somewhere other than the cantina, or at least, into the corner...
i normaly go to the med center... just because every now and then, theres nobody to heal there, and having been a medic at one point, i know just how absolutely boring it can be waiting for someone to show up
or i might be at my house/pa hall, if im in the neighborhood
afking with text in the macro, howerver, is easily the most annoying part of them.
on bloodfin, ive run into this guy a few times.. hes got a macro, but he stands up, and he doesnt have a long enough pause between when he stands up, and when he starts playing, so you get a very annoying afker, asking for tips, without even playing a single note. the ignore list is such a blessing
Thalos77 wrote:/preach
stop telling others how to play the game. They're paying 15bux a month to macro themselves to the top so let them.maybe they've better things to do than sit at the computer for 10 hours pushing a button every 10s. everyone has the right to play the gamehowever they choose to and just cuz some people prefer more active participation is no reason to bitch and moan just cuzthey don't like how others play.
/endpreach
WOW, you had to dig up a thread that wasn't replied to for 2 months just to say that ?
I might be a bit off topic and I'm sorry. I agree with all your ideas about what AFK'ers should do in your list. I justed wanted to add that most cantina's have become very boring places and I do NOT think it was caused by AFK players.
The game has taken on the battle gain xp get back into battle mentality. People just don't want to talk anymore, and many just want you to hurry up and heal them. Same for medics, same for weaponsmiths etc.
People want everything now in all professions.
Once again I say it is NOT the afk'ers it is how the game is designed, more people solo in this game than any other MMOPRG I've played (EQ, AO, DAOC) and there is nothing in the game to pull people into the GCW or storyline (because there is really no storyline)
I have no idea how to fix this problem, but something is missing, perhaps the quests and system is just flat and need to get folks more involved.
We definitly need a better storyline and content.
I don't mean to bring back such an old topic, but after reading some of the posts I have to say that people that pay 15 bucks a month just to sit at cantina dancing or playing music are a bunch of lamers. Why pay 15 bucks when you could get chat for free and talk to just as many people. Being AFK and macroing is a great relief. I have to go Master Musician for my holo and have to say that it is like crafting without the product. Now I know I'm going to get bashed for this, but jeez...play the game the way it should be played and go do some missions...get into the story alittle more. Even though there is lack of story, go out and get badges....collect rare items...go meet Leia, Darth Vader, or the Emperor....KILL A KRAYT...whatever, just take some time to really enjoy what the game has to offer. Visit some of the beautiful sites like the fountain of Bella Vista. Seize the day...
Man I can't wait to be done with Master Musician.