Dancer Archive
Thread: AFK Dancers and Musicans who Macro
ParAlbon wrote:
I am just worrying about myself, and the AFK macro player overload has crossed the line into stepping onto my toes.
If you want to go do this in a player home, or a streetcorner, or in a deep dark pit where no one will see you (like the performance guild hall... :-) then go ahead, but doing that in the cantinas IS effecting me.
I doubt they could implement it, but if they could just ban the Macros in the healing areas, I'd be fine with it.
"BUT HOW COULD WE GET OUR ENTERTAINER HEALING XP???" Simple, play on line in person sometimes like those of us do, despite our jobs and other hobbies. Get in character and provide ENTERTAINMENT for the people who come in.
If you just want to hear the cool songs, stop being an entertainer and come listen to us when you have some free time. Don't complain that you can't hear the songs because you can't play all day. Neither can I, but I play music when I want to play the part of an Entertainer!
I'm going to start inviting people that are going to go AFK, just so I can /stopband them once they're gone...
grrrrrrrr
(Ok, the bad mood may be because I'm posting from work, but it's really been bugging me lately.)
I don't see the issue, I still don't see how it affect you forever...Yes, they might affect you for a short while, but once again, you have ALL the power to Boot them (or asking the rest of the band for a vote, whether to boot AFK person or not)
Yes, it CAN happen, some newbies (Again, not ALL), non-programming backgrounds,can not come up with a good Macro, but I can, many of us can!
>You're taking my spot in a band which costs me xp.
You're taking my listeners which costs me xp.<
1) anyone plays music in the band group, ADDs musician XP, you will get it too.
2) Don't blame on the AFK players, maybe blame on the oneslistening to the AFK players, and not an active one.
I don't why they choosen the other one (AFK) instead, PERHAPS you should treat them better? 
An AFK member sure as hell couldn't respond to themas good as an active one does... try harder!
Read the AFK thread in the Entertainment forum, tone has changed, many are against Nerfing the AFK macroing now...
(Why are you getting Jealous? Gee)
One guy in that thread said "People who feel like someone else is "cheapening the profession" need to step back and remember this is a game, not a contest and most certainly not a way of life.", which is completely TRUE!
I'm going to start inviting people that are going to go AFK, just so I can /stopband them once they're gone...
grrrrrrrr
(Ok, the bad mood may be because I'm posting from work, but it's really been bugging me lately.)
BTW, /stopband can not stop my macro from playing again
You are getting malicious, dude!
Woah! The hatred of AFK macroers is getting to you... Not good, beware of the dark side 
Sorry, to be more clear on that last post: Either they're taking a group spot that could be used for an active player OR by being out of the group they're starting to take viewers away from the active players.
This wasn't an issue for the last month for me until recently when the number of AFK people has surpassed the number of us that seem to be playing at times.
As for working harder, I already work d@mn hard. Earlier on Sunday I was leading a band, inviting people as they came in, welcoming patrons, /telling with a tailor to buy an outfit, /telling with a newbie to give them some pointers, letting someone pracitice image design on me (accept, accept, accept...), playing my flourishes by hand, and doing all of this while playing an Ommni Box that I had to keep targeted. If that's not work I don't know what is. I get attention from patrons, but not all of them.
Even booting people from a group won't help because then they become part of the second problem with getting watched.
Keep in mind that patrons that come in know that if you watch the group, you get healed. They don't care about who they're watching and they CAN'T tell who's part of the active group or just standing there.
That's the part that bugs me because it effects me.
On another note (trying to understand where you AFKers are coming from), what do you hope to do once you've made it to master entertainer or dancer or musician? Do you plan on setting up your master to play just to detract from the newer players? Do you plan on not entertaining in your limited play opportunites? I just don't understand what you're trying to get to...
MagnaVVV wrote:
You aren't even listening JediMutant. It has zero to do with jealousy. I could care less if you go off into a corner & level your way to master in one day while I'm only halfway up the tree. You choose to ignore everything I said in my post & just keep saying the same things over & over again. YOU are the one that's being selfish & inconsiderate of your fellow players. You & the hundreds of other AFK entertainers. Kicking them from the band solves little. Kicking them out of the cantina would solve more. You should find another hobby if you really can't be there to play the game you're paying for. I can own a tennis racket but it doesn't mean I'm a tennis player let alone a great tennis player unless I put in the time & effort to really care about being good. You will own a master character in an MMORPG game but it doesn't mean you're a master player or that you know a **edit** thing about the game.
1st. Calm down!
I am NOT the one being Inconsiderate, nor selfish.
Earlier in the days, I thought no one would cared about people AFK macroing, but to my suprised people (like you)did.Yes I was shocked, cuz the whole time I don't think AFK Macroing is wrong. The morepeople wanted to get rid of it, the more I protest about it. However, I wasn't the inconsideratetype you are generalizing, YESIused to stand anywhere in the cantina, but after your complaints, I DO stand in the corner now. Now,BETTER? Am I inconsiderate & selfish still? Geez! Why are you assuming things about me?
True, I stopped being center of the attention, but others still do it, BUT you see I DON'T have any control over other AFK macroers!! However, I am speaking for myself, that I am very against this idea (of nerfing AFK Macroing)
I JUST DO NOT AGREE with your concerns, period.
AFK macroers never bothered me,and Never WILL!
Ok, perhaps both sides have been selfish in this issue, but still Nerfing AFK Macroing won't do a bit good no matter what!!
And,
>You should find another hobby if you really can't be there to play the game you're paying for.<
Are they now trying to tell me what to do, and what not to do?
I am sorry, I love this game, I want to play it, but whenever I have the time.However,like I said, it's not a lot to gain XP fsat.
In fact, I have already spend too much time on this thread today, than I wanted.
I am getting tired... good day!
If the dev's put in terminals that spit out free houses, do you think architects would be pissed?
What is the difference in a AFK Musician providing a needed service and someone with a Vendor in a house? They both provide services yet the person with the vendor doesnt evenhave to be online. Those who say a macro is cheating the system. Do you suggest that someone with a weapon should have to press a button twice every 10 seconds to fight and gain XP? Do I set up a script and go to Bed? Yes I do, and no I dont have any annoying msgs in the macro asking for tips. I do this so the people playing in the middle of the night can be healed. My Music and Heal XP have both been capped for a while now so thatis not an issue. As for tips they are pretty much a joke. I am happy when I recieve them, but I dont play in the hopes of making money. I always thank people for any tip be it 1 or 1000 credits. By the way Thanking someone for a tip is the best way I have found to recieve more tips. I have a few custom emoteson the tool bar that use the %TT command in them. Thishas a dual purpose. It Thanks the person publicly for being a "good" player", and it is asoft reminder to others that Entertainers are providing a service to them.Durring the xp grind I could go hours and not see a tip, then after I recieved 1 and thanked the person several more would come in right after that.This this might come to a shock to some of you who never leave the Cantina. People in the game are for the most part very cheap. I discovered after I hit MM and took up a gun that I can go run 2 solo destroy missions and make 3K-4K in about 15 mins.
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Also, from reading a number of other posts it sounds like there ia s significantly greater problem with the AFK types on some of the other servers. A large collection of AFK bots really does detract form the environment of the game. While it's been rare for me, because of being lucky enough to play most of the time in a mostly live cantina, the times I've been in a cantina filled with drones have not been particularly enjoyable and have really felt like a grind. I have to admit I would have rather been in these cantinas with only a couple of people who were actually performing rather than with a full group of drones. The people drone in these cantinas because there will be a constant audience to help their XP. The AFKers in the cantina do, in fact, detract from the game for the live entertainers they also detract form the game for the people who actually try and socialize while they're getting their Mind healing.
In many ways someone playing a MM who AFKed to get it is like someone who bought their Master off of Ebay. If I don't know who you are or if you've been AFK in the cantina the whole time up to master. I'm probably not going to group with you just because you can play all the songs. Personally I'd rather play SW1 with someone who's there than Jazz with an AFK composer. If you haven't spent the time to figure out which flourishes work well and spent time to know what sounds good in a group a master title is really not that important. Actually I tend to turn my title off. Playing the Nala and the Mando and sounding good means a whole lot more than a title by my name. The skill to code a macro to maximize XP is not particularly useful in the long run. Taking the time to learn what actually sounds good and practicing working with a group is significantly more important. I'm not saying that this can't be done by some one who spends a lot of time AFK but it is fairly rare.
sleepdepzombie wrote:
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. The AFKers in the cantina do, in fact, detract from the game for the live entertainers they also detract form the game for the people who actually try and socialize while they're getting their Mind healing.
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There is a worse wrinkle to the AFK game.
Basically, the Cantina is not a begging hall. I watched a fellow who was a macro set up to play, flourish, sit and then Say, Please tipme! It is an insult to people who play this as a social game. I am there TO talk, joke and listen. Not to AFK master, what's the point in AFK mastering something. You are not playing the game at all.
MagnaVVV wrote:
You don't NEED to AFK now to gain exp - you CHOOSE to. Big difference... If you still can't grasp the difference then there's nothing more to say on it.
Oh please, stop act as if I am not smart enough to get you guys.
You have no idea how much that makes me mad 
but I will try to, hoping you are not some kind of pre-judgemental person.
Yes I do understand you guys, in a way, but then again I must maintain:
A) You are welcome to kick AFK Macroers who can't flourish well, etc.. from your group
B) You feel that 'zombies' are packing the cantina, and it bugs you? I don't know how serious (or are you exaterrating the whole thing) really is this, but I wouldn't care myself. I always have a good nature to ignore things like this, I would never complain over this.If listeners are coming to the Cantina and choosen to listen to a zombie instead ofa live person, I would make sure to win them over, to listen to me. I wouldn't worry about it! There is enough hate in this world, against AFK macroers is JUST NOT worth it!
C) Tip AFKers if your problem? As I said, I don't care for tips, andIt's not my fault to get tips, you should try toget them to listen to you instead. (Why won't they? You are a live person, better than AFKers) and I said many times "I ENCOURAGE ALL PLAYERS TO LISTEN AND TIP LIVE PLAYERS, ANDDO NOT HAVE TO TIP AFK MACROERS.
That said, well, I DO respect the people who got MM without using AFK Macro, excpet the bunch that thinks they are superiour than AFK macroers... you know, more power to you! That still, doesn't mean you have accomplished anything in your life, whatever!
You have to remember, this is a GAME, sure you can meet good live people in this game, but it is STILL NOT a way of life!
Yes, it is my choice to AFK macroing,because there is nothing wrong with it. And, itis MY WAYto get satisfied with my spending of $14.99.You all have the same tools to do it, yet you choose NOT to do it, you found AFK macroing is not fun, even though manually could take 1-3 month long.
The bottom line is, we are all trying to have some FUN in this game (that's the ultimate purpose for Galaxies, isn't it)not to have a Senseless Contest, feels AFK macroers are taking away XP from live players.
So I am not the one that needs to Grasp anything. I am speaking a very mature opinion, but still a very strong support for this AFK macroing!
Guess that's kinda like having an erotic dream & saying you had a sexual experience. lol You can justify it all you want JediMutant but the bottom line is that it's instant gratification with no effort or skill. Enjoy your "accomplishment".
First, thanks for calming down, let's try to understand each other a little better.
Yes, I did put in some effort manually, earlier in the game, but as I reached Elite I realized the XP takesmuch longer (Like I said, months) to accomplish. I never thought of it as true effort anyway. It's really not, Iam being socializing with other people, I am not working as if I do it in RL. I am not going to sweat, and I don't have to use my knowledge I got from schools to apply it, how much effort is this? It's NOT real life!
As some ofus said, It's a game, a game with socializing potientials, but it's all it is. It's not a way of life.
Pressing a key million times is your style of play, personally it itself is boring (Socializing is theFun, but flourishing to the same song over and overis not really fun) soNOT an accomplishment either!