Dancer Archive
Thread: Can't Buff Ourselves Dev Response
GoGoGirl wrote:
Trying not to be rude about this, but this is a outrageouskick in the head (again!!) for long timeentertainer "Support"players who have been there to support the majority of players who "WANTS" buffs. Entertainers have been pushed aside or given cheap fixes over all other professions since the beginning of the game.
- YOU haven't fixed our flourishes for 2+ years and as far as i'm concerned, they still aren't fixed!
- YOU've given us some of the most unSWGish dances in the game ever possible, like Breakdancing?!?!?
- YOU've given us props, big whoop!!! Those props are only as good as however long we hold the audiences' attention which is like what? 15 seconds?!?!? THIS DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE SKILL POINTS USED TO BECOME A MASTER OF OUR CHOSEN PROFESSION!!!!
- YOU haven't providedthemeans for entertainers to make a decent wage scaled to the entertainer's skill level!!
- YOU've kept us all secluded to Cantinas and player houses, NO other profession is as restricted as us! Even full blown crafters can move around from place to place crafting via a crafting droid and still benefit from their professions even out in the wilds!!
- YOU've allowed other support professions to buff themselves for a long time and left us out in the cold!!
I have more angry words to say, but as i type this up, all i'm getting is more upset and have been getting tired of accepting the crap they call content for entertainers.
I even suggested something a few months ago to make us entertainers have more meaning in the GCW by allowing entertainers to be spies with some unique special abilities!
This entertainer upgrade is something i will no longer accept even after being a Master Dancer for the last 2+ years. UNLESS the devs gives us more substance to OUR CHOSEN profession/s, i am gone before the end of this year. I have had a hard time enjoying myself in SWG for the last 2 months.
Sorry for the rant, but it was long overdue and i think after playing SWG since the beginning, i am need to vent over this and look at my options.
Although I'm not near as upset over this as GoGoGirl, her post sums up alot of reasons why IMO the entertainer professions are generally borked. No content for Masters, stupid looking dances, cop-out props, the list goes on. Not happy with the buffs either.
On another note, how can some of you compare the TK buff (powerboost I assume) that gives themselves health, to not being able to buff yourselves with an exp buff? It's not the same.
Esharra wrote:
To clarify: I want to hear your reasons (give me talking points), not "because docs can buff themselves".Message Edited by Esharra on 09-01-2005 02:39 PM
Because on my server there are hardly any other entertainers around when I play. I will rarely benefit from these buffs myself.
I think the TK powerboost is only included because it is a self buff. If TKs could only
give that buff to other players and not do it themselves, I am certain you would hear
many negative things about it.
Ka'th
Entertaining has become a hobby in this game not a profession. We have lost so many entertainers because of this. People I've known that have been entertaining their entire time on star wars started dropping these professions because of it. Eventualy even the most dedicated will find no reason to remain. The more we get taken away from us and ignored the more inclined a person loving their entertainer will be to just say forget it.
PoetDancer wrote:
Being a good performer is not enough. We have to type the stupid /inspire.
But being a bad performer is quite alright today. As long as they type that silly /inspire, its all they need to do.
You keep saying it's that way "today" as if it were different "yesterday".
Going as far back as launch, please explain to me how a "good" master dancer (one good at performances) would've been superior to a "bad" one at healing BF. You have never explained to me how it was different in the past.
BF could always be healed by anyone, AFK or not, flourishing or not, as long as they were "skill animating" an entertainment skill. It took no "good performances" then either. Typing "a stupid command" has nothing to do with it... you have to type /flo to flourish, /startdance to dance, and so on.
So, explain how a "good dancer" mattered with BF, or any other thing we could ever do, before, as opposed to now. Because honestly, I do not understand at all what you are talking about.
C
Chessack wrote:
The "skill" in being a dancer is the same as it has always been -- putting on a good performance. This is independent of, and has nothing to do with, buffing, healing, etc. None of that has ever been affected by how well you perform.
C
The skill today is that stupid /inspire command. Unless we do that when told, nothing else matters to them.
Being a good performer is not enough. We have to type the stupid /inspire.
But being a bad performer is quite alright today. As long as they type that silly /inspire, its all they need to do.
Its why the fellow above me is quite dismayed at the state of the cantinas. And I must vsay, I sympathize with him. Because nobody has to greet at the door, or give a damn about Noolos today. They can just wait for him to "beg," type that /inspire, and get credits easily.
Message Edited by PoetDancer on 09-02-2005 02:38 AM
PoetDancer wrote:I came away with tips, Dejah. Why on Corellia would they tip me good credits, if they could get everything I had to give for free? I couldn't give healing. I just gave a show. They took the healing from my show. But that rot was free. They never had to tip for that. But yet, they tipped anyway. Why?Because they'd rather see me in the cantina, then out doing other things. They could have just walked away, and not give me anything. But they didn't, did they? They gave me credits because they could have /watched any old unattended LAMer to heal their BF for free. But they chose to pay me--not because I clicked on some window when they asked--but because they wanted to tip me, for no other reason than I was a good performer, that deserved it.
You and the rest of us were selling a / command then just as much as we are now. It's just then you were selling /startdance, and now it's /inspire. The same people who tipped you without /watching you then will tip you without /watching now, and the same vast majority of people will only tip you if you provide them services of some sort.
What is the difference, when there are still more entertainers than patrons and the number of tips you earn still depends on your skill at interacting with patrons? What is the change between being tipped by someone who just watched your show while they got healed by someone else and being tipped by someone who watched your show while being inspired by someone else?
Goldy_Lhim wrote:
Because someone asks of me "Goldy can I have a BE inspiration" doesn't make the performance bad. My routine doesn't turn to crap because I typed /inspire. A good dancer now is the same good dancer last Tuesday. Someone who puts time into their routine, someone who greets and socializes with her audience.
/agree 100%
Well said Goldy.
And Doriana, well said also, but I won't spam the boards quoting the post right above me...
C
Okay. One of my characters is a Master Dancer, Master Musician, Master Ent, and MAster ID. The other, on a different server, is a Master ID, Working toward Teras Kasi Master, and 0-0-4-0 in dancer. I roleplay heavily with the the latter, and part of her history is she was a former dancer. So, I kept my dance knowledge because I love dancing but wanted to have a combat profession so I could spend more time with my real-life boyfried and other guildies hunting. Even if we were out hunting in the middle of nowhere, I could buff myself and my friends through the beauty of my dancing. We all needed a break. Now,I can still buff my friends but in order for me to get the buffs I need/want as a combat character, I have to find another entertainer, usually in a non-player-city. So now I'm at a roleplaying disadvantage because while I can dance to help me friends relax, I have to go way the heck out of the way to get my buff.
I certainly intend to keep my dancing skills because I can't imagaine playing Ka'va without them, but now to go hunting with my close in-game friends we all essentially have to go to a city cantina instead of the cantina in our own player city because I can't get a buff there. It's driving hybrids like me out of player-run cantinas. I think we should be doing all we can to get people into the palyer cities, not chasing them away or punishing them for their gameplay.
I'll echo what someone said earlier-- I don't like feeling forced to either play a social character or a combat character. If they're worried about tampering with the fiction, what sense does it make that some people can't have varied interests? What would it be like if I couldn't image design myself? ID is my favorite profession in the game. I love helping clients but I also love testing color combinations, make-up styles, etc. on myself.
I don't think it would be detrimental to keep it the way it was before. Or, if they're worried, place the other buffs as a novice dancer/musician skill. I don't care which of these they do. Obviously, I'd hate to see it go to a Master skill since I only keep part of the dancer tree. But, I'd like to point out I'm willing to sacrifice that second combat class to hang on to my entertainer professions. Really, my pain purpose is an an ent with combat as a hobby. I hate that to have this type of hybrid, I have to inconvenice myself, my group-mates, and stay out of player cantinas. Why should we bring an extra entertainer along when I'm already an entertainer? I didn't take dance skills to buff myself and my friends. I took them because I love dancing. For roleplay purposes, how do I explain that even though I'm a dancer, we need to go way out of the way to a city cantina to relax?
Heh..no..but I Can imagine them all clammering to be able to get it for free.
Klak wrote:
oh yeah i can imagine EVERYONE wanting to free up 15 skill points just to get novice entertainer...
Esharra wrote:
Heh..no..but I Can imagine them all clammering to be able to get it for free.