Dancer Archive
Thread: Inspirations and Bots: Time Investment
hehe, i do try and keep a positive attitude tho. i am more of a lurker here, but on the combat prof and server forums i have been a staunch CU cheerleader.
this issue just irked me somewhat, i have a hard time staying positive in the face of what i think to be a terrible idea.
Jessalyn_Bohicat wrote:
i don't have any ideas, that's not my job!!
hehe, i do try and keep a positive attitude tho. i am more of a lurker here, but on the combat prof and server forums i have been a staunch CU cheerleader.
this issue just irked me somewhat, i have a hard time staying positive in the face of what i think to be a terrible idea.
well ok lol nothing wrong with that!
Then I say voice your fears in a calm and rational way, and when somone comes up with an idea you like, support it!
Don't worry! we CAN make the best of this!
Ihareo wrote:
We all read what Panthu said about why the last coorospondant quit. We all read where it was stated that the only DEV who was on board with us about the AFKers ALSO wanted to get rid of entertainers all together along with recursive macros.
I think it likely you read a lot more into Panthu's post than was stated or implied. Although I can see where much of her post was openended enough that you could find ways to read into it what you want to believe she is saying.
I think every player should have the ability to control how the product of their activity in game is dispersed. Especially in that the GCW and factional alignment is the backstory of this game. When I'm buffing and healing my guys, I don't want to be helping the players they're about to go up against.
We've already seen that dependency on tips will only work for a very few entertainers. And we've seen that if there is an avenue for exploitation in a game mechanic (in this context the term exploitation does not infer that the devs have determined an activity to be defined as an "exploit"), players will take advantage of it with no regard for how it might break the gameplay of others..or even themselves in the long run.
As for cutting off my nose despite my face..I'd rather it be of my own hand than to stand there helplessly and let someone else cut me again and again.
One possible dev perspective that I think we have overlooked (& that, while I've not seen it stated by devs, I *think* I have seen it implied) is that the cantina is the focal point..not us. Cantinas were intended to be the place in cities where people gathered, went to swap tales and find hunting groups. Cantinas heal. We heal faster but the idea originally was that we had to be in a cantina to do it. Looking at the whole situation as a social concept; I can see how the cantina was intended to be the host and we, as enablers, maintain a symbiosis with the benefactors. Of course it would be great to be able to provide our services anywhere but that obviously was not the original intent. Player owned buildings such as camps, faction bases and houses were meant to allow us to heal outside of the cantinas. But notice..I can sit in my base or house and it doesn't heal me. Camps are their one concession to cantinas, in that a camp can heal you, albeit very slowly. I think the point was to make the cantina the hub of activity in the cities and we were put there to give it life.
Personally, I like the idea of cantinas having a door fee from which the attending entertainers are paid. I wouldn't expect to make it my sole source of income for my entertainer. I would still contract to heal & buff as well as for the weddings and events I perform at regularly. But I think it would be great for entertainers to know that they could make some income regardless of bot infestation or maybe not being in the mood to be totally on that day. And the old argument that they "can't find an entertainer" would no longer hold water. We would benefit from the cantinas, others would benefit from our presence there but we would no longer be imprisoned by them.
Message Edited by Esharra on 04-05-2005 07:40 PM
Ihareo wrote:
Esharra, what's going on with the 'entertainer salary' panthu was talking about?
Please understand that correspondents cannot post regarding the developers' intentions or discussions on any topic without a statement approved by the devs. I am not prepared to respond to that question at this time.
Again, not a threat, just a statement.
Ihareo wrote:Yes but read what PoetDancer wrote. Given the purpose of %99 percent of the buffbots, most of the will theoretically go away.
That is honestly backed up by nothing other then pure hope.
#1. They already have the accounts. Many of them are paid for by more then one player so the cost to each of them is extremely low.
#2. Many of them are also used for the extra lots. Storage ect...
#3. They can now drop Down to only one Master Elite or just novice Ent, and pick up other useful skills for an alt to have... Like Doc that no longer takes resources and have an all in one macro buff bot.
#4. We will STILL have AFK Jedi Grinders which in an all passive system will be as good as buff bot.
#5. A bot will still be there 24/7 in the same location.
#6. They still CAN do it.
We will certainly see some of the bots disappear. But all the AFK Jedi Grinders will be an more then adequate replacement for them.
Esharra wrote:
Ihareo wrote:
Esharra, what's going on with the 'entertainer salary' panthu was talking about?
Please understand that correspondents cannot post regarding the developers' intentions or discussions on any topic without a statement approved by the devs. I am not prepared to respond to that question at this time.
Jessalyn_Bohicat wrote:
Hiwa wrote:
Lonaris wrote:They dont love us ... its a lie lolnotice the part about Novice and Masters giving the same "buff" ... less incentive to master now.Not to mention if its an automatic buff, less incentive to TIP entertainers now too. :/
Leihiwa
QFE to both of these
#1 now anyone with novice entertainer, which can be picked up on a whim at any time, can buff EXACTLY the same as any master dancer or musician. you are no longer even requierd to do flourishes! so now it will be an even worse case of buffbotting, because complicated macros are no longer even needed.
#2 if you can run by an entertainer who is playing and grab a buff from them without having to be grouped or use /setperf, then you can get a free buff any time and laugh in the face of entertianer who would like payment. now there is NO reason to tip, other than the kindness of your heart, and you can imagine how often that will come into play. har har. the only way aroudn this will be for entertainers to stand around doing nothing, and demand payment before even playing to guaruntee some form of compensation!
#3 outside of buffing, now we have ZERO purpose ... no healing. no way to get paid. and once youve seen our dances once or twice, it aint no thang to see it again.
if you dont see why thats bad for entertainers, you havent got your thinkin cap on.
Coreena wrote:
But so far we were told "The Entertainer buffing system is so deep involved in the system, that we can't just make changes like that to it", at least thats how I always thought they said it (if I'm wrong please feel free to correct me).
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I'm only replying because this has to do with old things. I personally talked about what the CU would mean for us in here a lot, so I don't mind pointing these older things out. Eshi of course has to say what the current word is though, so, I would suggest we all try to go along with whatever she says she needs from us now.