Dancer Archive

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kirah_ashlin wrote:

Well, TH does admit in a post above the one I submitted that he has mixed feelings about removing the recursive macro . . . still I appalud him and the devs for taking a strong stand against AFK exploits. Once this is dealt with other means can be examined to compensate for losses in other areas.

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CodeBreaker007 wrote:

There is going to be a problem with stopping looping macros:

1: It's apart of the community which create macros for other community members, which keeps people interested. Just as with other games where people build maps/mods and so on.

There's still going to be tons of macros. People will still use macros. They just won't be able to loop them. They'll just have to hit F1 every once in awhile.

2: For those Dancers/musicians moaning about looping macros, you've destroyed a big part of the community when it comes to guilds and having to search for people buffing, you also forget that guilds pay for an extra acc to enable them to have a buff bot as you call them. I myself have two acc's and use a looping macro for when I go to bed.. You've also made an already boring profession even more boring because people won't sit infront of their pc just to watch a character dance or play instruments all day just to become an entertainer.

You forget who you're talking to here. We're theentertainers, the real ones. We are absolutely going to sit in front of our pc and watch our character dance or play music, among other things. We've been doing it for months and we'll continue to do it. To us, thisstyle ofgameplay is not boring. If it was, then we wouldn't be here trying to save it. Buffbots have completely and utterly destroyed our community. Any destruction of your guild because of your loss of a buffbot is going to be minimal if you have a good guild. The idea that your guild is held together by a buffbot is kinda...sad. If that's true, then perhaps you need to look at ways to improve your guild.

3: Creating macros is apart of the dancer profession, and soe should also realise that swg community does not revolve around these forums, so I would suggest they have listened to a small part of the community and not considard the whole. As most older people should know, forums have always been a place for moaners in many games, and doesn't talk for the whole of swg community..

Guess this means they shouldn't listen to all the people whining about the loss of the recursive macro then?

4: I think if soe are going to remove looping macro's, then they better add alot more to keep people interested in doing it, because otherwise you'll end up where people can't get battle fatigue fixed as their won't be enough dancers to go round, it's called cause and effect.. Soe must also remember they created this situation with their hologrinding to make people jedi, so now entertainers are suffering.

Well, the hologrind's going away, but the buffbots won't. That has to be fixed in order to make our profession viable. And, I still fail to believe that there will not be one person in one Cantina in one of the major NPC cities when you need BF healing.

5: I'd also like to point out it's darn hard to find people mind buffing, so why some people moan about buff bots is beyond me, their is only one buff bot I know off on darth on my server, and I'm on theed and won't keep traveling just for a buff, and will go localy to get one from anyone online. So people saying buffbots are out of control is a load of rubbish from what I've seen.

Your server is very lucky then. There are *countless* buffbots on my server now. There's one in particular who's there 23/7 in the Coronet Cantina. She's singlehandedly destroyed and monopolized the buffing business there.

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CodeBreaker007 wrote:

There is going to be a problem with stopping looping macros:

1: It's apart of the community which create macros for other community members, which keeps people interested. Just as with other games where people build maps/mods and so on.

They're not getting rid of macros completely, you know.

2: For those Dancers/musicians moaning about looping macros, you've destroyed a big part of the community when it comes to guilds and having to search for people buffing, you also forget that guilds pay for an extra acc to enable them to have a buff bot as you call them. I myself have two acc's and use a looping macro for when I go to bed.. You've also made an already boring profession even more boring because people won't sit infront of their pc just to watch a character dance or play instruments all day just to become an entertainer.

Excuse me? Just because you find it boring, that makes it universal? I don't think so, Mr. Ego-Pants. This change would never have come about if it weren't for the people in the entertainer forums who were slowly being choked to death, bogged down in a swamp of buffbots. We LOVE our profession. We don't think it's boring. Of course, if you don't actually *play* the profession, I can see how you might not understand this concept.

3: Creating macros is apart of the dancer profession, and soe should also realise that swg community does not revolve around these forums, so I would suggest they have listened to a small part of the community and not considard the whole. As most older people should know, forums have always been a place for moaners in many games, and doesn't talk for the whole of swg community..

The people who post on the forums are the people who are instrumental in bringing this change about. AFKing was slowly killing the entertainer professions. This game is revolutionary in that you have so many non-combat options, and this is the first game to have entirely social professions like this one. Having put them into the game, SOE has a responsibility to maintain them and fix what's wrong. That's what they've done, and I am very grateful.

4: I think if soe are going to remove looping macro's, then they better add alot more to keep people interested in doing it, because otherwise you'll end up where people can't get battle fatigue fixed as their won't be enough dancers to go round, it's called cause and effect.. Soe must also remember they created this situation with their hologrinding to make people jedi, so now entertainers are suffering.

This argument makes zero sense. There's no limit to how many people can heal with one entertainer. Even if a cantina has just one dancer or musician, everyone will still be able to heal their BF and mind wounds. If they're able to buff, everyone will still be able to buff as well.

5: I'd also like to point out it's darn hard to find people mind buffing, so why some people moan about buff bots is beyond me, their is only one buff bot I know off on darth on my server, and I'm on theed and won't keep traveling just for a buff, and will go localy to get one from anyone online. So people saying buffbots are out of control is a load of rubbish from what I've seen.

Your server definitely does not have only one buffbot. The fact is, they're making live entertainers' gameplay a serious pain in the ass, and for that, it needs to end. I applaud SOE's decision to do this, they had to have known it wouldn't come without some backlash, but it's absolutely the right thing to do. They're rectifying a situation that never should have been allowed to happen in the first place.

In summary... don't whine to us, because we really don't care about the loss of your buffbots.

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DarkY0da wrote:

I'm just honestly shocked. Why do they hide and take so long to show us they really care ? darn it why is this making me cry

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Hey, you go ahead and cry. When I read this post, I felt like we'd finally emerged victorious from a long and vicious war.

Most of the people complaining about it don't seem to realize that all they need to do is write a longer macro, put it in the hotkeys and click F1 every 15-30 minutes or so. The arguments against this change are very poor in my opinion.

But, hey, /happydance

Guess I gotta resubscribe now, huh?