Dancer Archive

Okay, I read through 18 pages and posted to find it had grown to 20... This is a copy of what I wrote:

Phew... I finally just finished reading ALL 18 pages of this thread and yes, it too a couple of hours, but THAT is how important this issue is to me.

A little background first...
I was an entertainer in last stage of beta.
I was and continue to be an entertainer in live.
My character runs a band Talus Moon on Eclipse and is a Master Dancer, Master Musician, and Master Entertainer (with a little medic thrown in).

It is the latter that makes the game fun for me. I no longer hang out in cantinas or hotels and haven't for months. I rehearse with the band, we do gigs etc and only rarely will I buff someone in my home city. It's not that I don't enjoy those things, it's that I don't enjoy them as much as I do band because it is CREATIVE.

For a 'career' (for want of a better word) entertainer like myself and countless others (citing a couple who posted here MoyaWookiee, Ouch4372 p12, OrionsByte p13), the macro system is the creative tool we use as part of our armoury.

It is necessary for small things like:
- Glitzy clothes changes
- Special lighting effect routines
- Equipping instruments etc (not that we can change these mid song anymore thanks to that awful pause of 15 seconds between stopping and starting performing, thanks exploiters... great one )

The main use though is for dance choreography and band scores (equiv. of orchestral score with cues etc). We have spent MANY MANY hours working hard in rehearsals and outside of them to put together songs that work as a whole performance to show people just how much can be achieved with the entertainment system as it stands in game (and we do not bandflo either, we do it all manually from cues, far more fun). There is SO much more to it than many people think. Using these tools actually helps to inspire others to have fun in new ways.

Neither of the above use RECURSIVE macros in the truest definition of the word. However, they DO use aliases that call one another, e.g.

verse1: /g Musicians /cdpr on my mark; /pause 5; /mark; /verse2;

verse2: /sing La la la this is a test; /pause 5; /verse3;

verse3: /sing etc...

Say I start a song by typing /verse1. At the moment it will execute verse2, verse4 etc. Although it isn't calling itself, it is calling another alias. Will THIS type of thing be stopped?

This particular example dosn't call verse1 again, but we do have some songs scored where you call the chorus again. Yes there are work arounds for this by cueing myself to trigger the next alias (already do this in certain cases)... but if this is going to affect us, we need to know so we can schedule time to rewrite our repertoire and not take gig bookings which require those numbers.

So my answer to your question is:

YES, it will affect me and my fellow band members.
It will require us to rewrite our entire repertoire to make workarounds for the system should they be needed.

My questions to you are:
- Exactly HOW do you intend to implement the disappearance of recursive macros?
- Will we still be able to use /ui action to equip clothes and instruments?

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KDubDanzig wrote:

This sucks I think. I go to the buffbot near Cnet all the time for mind buffs. I can never find an entertainer to give mind buffs that is not afk.

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Fixing the issue that this addresses the absolute best thing that could ever happen to the entertainer professions. This is not the ideal solution for us in particular but it is a solution that goes across the board and guarantees other professions wont' be plagued with the same issue down the road.

The reason why you can't find mind buffs is:

1) You are not really looking.
2) There are very few of us who are willing to dance in public on priciple, while being treated like NPCs and disrespected and degraded.

Once AFKers are gone both of these issues will be moot, the game will be healthier overall, and the section of the player base that enjoys entertaining will once again be free to enjoy themselves without the degradation of AFK "players" and bots.

Give it a chance before you complain. This will make mind buffs easier to find and a lot more reliable to get.

Message Edited by Teioh on 08-01-2004 09:13 PM

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Teioh wrote:

say hello to the era where everyone uses 3rd party clicking programs.

Message Edited by Teioh on 08-01-2004 09:13 PM

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Then also say hello to the era where other players are able to succesfully report the exploiters and such accounts being suspended or even banned.

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Crisby wrote:

I own Lebow, Master Dancer, Master Musician.

If this goes through I will cancel my both of my accounts.

For those of you cheering "Yay" will you be making the rounds to all of the cities on all of the planets at 1am to serve the customers that were being helped by afkers?

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Nope. Was your buffbot making all the rounds to all the cities on all the planets? Didn't think so. Shoo.

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Teioh wrote:

say hello to the era where everyone uses 3rd party clicking programs.

Message Edited by Teioh on 08-01-2004 09:13 PM

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