Dancer Archive
Thread: FOCUS: Skill Point Cost
ZinaTheMaker wrote:
However, that leaves the "entertainement healing" line as a totally undesirable line unless one is going master entertainer. What if they added a 4th entertainer profession branching off from that? Just a few thoughts...
Panthu wrote:
Or move the Pols over... I think they'd do well with us. Look at Pappi!
I used to be against this idea, but maybe I see how it could work after all. You take out the Ent. Healing line completely so that neither Musician or Dancer needs it, and you add in a whole new line. You could call it Schmoozing. You start at Schmoozing I which is Fundamentals of Socializing where you learn the delicate art of meeting and greeting people, how to make good impressions - that sort of thing. Then you move on to Schmoozing II - Self Promotion. This is where you learn to get your name out there so people know you and you start making a reputation for yourself. From there you move on to Schmoozing III - Public Speaking. From making a meaningful toast to presenting a prepared speech and taking questions, here's where you learn to conquer those fears of speaking in front of others and how to tell people what they want to hear. Finally you get to Schmoozing IV - Wheeling and Dealing. This is where you learn how things really get done, from back room deals behind closed doors to public agreements and contracts.
This sort of a line would obviously be important for anyone going into politics and could serve as its prereq line, but it would also contain useful skills for anyone who wants to truly master the Entertainer profession. If they implemented something like this then I could definitely see it working.
I would love to see them do this, though I know they never will. Great idea though.
C
Chessack wrote:
LOL... Schmoozing 1 - IV... I love it!
I would love to see them do this, though I know they never will. Great idea though.
C
Hehehe, that's fun.
Actually, this made me think that *if* we didn't cost an SP, or if there were some new stuff that cost no SP, there's no reason not to give it 200 pre-reqs and have 50 trees or what not - in fact, that's just more content on top of more content. As long as it's fun to have the stuff in between and you don't have to be master whatever on top of your 50 free-of-sp skill trees, it's just a huge potential source of content. I don't know how much stuff there is to add, but it seems a generally easy thing that they can build on: "Publish 25: The Imperial/Rebel skill trees" "Publish 27: The Elite Politician skill trees (Regional Dictator, Corrupt Governor, etc.)".
So it sounds like it has nifty possibilities, whether or not the entertainer skill trees become part of it.
Or an easy way to get your newbie friend to naboo if neather of you have a ship, mail 'em there. Or even, E-mail your special attacks to the enemies, combat medics could set people on fire from a looooong way away this way! *laughs menicingly*Going along the lines of what I have seen in other games and the way people seem to be thinking and typing about, it all gave me an idea about how skill points could work.
perhaps there should be two different categories of skill points. If all skill points are to remain the same, or bring ID back to the way the rest of the professions are you could have "Non-combat' skill points. This would be equal to 15+28+63=106. General Skill points would be 212. General could be used for anything, Non-Combat could be used for anything that's NOT combat related. Most other games give a fighting profession and a crafting profession.
This unfortunately would bring us even closer to EQ2, but mabey someone can get a better idea off the above silly idea.
As for reasons to reduce skill point costs for all entertainer types, and more specifically Dancers..... I would have to say that they have removed the function of the entertainers with the changes they made because of the Combat Upgrade. I defidently agree that they would have to make significant improvements to the Entertainer types to rationalize keeping the skill point costs the same. Dancers and Musicians cost just as many skill points to master as most of the combat types requiring one novice box, two regular skill rows and then an entire elite profession worth..... from a skill point prospective Dancers are exactly the same as Pistoleers, Riflemen, Teras Kasi, Pikemen, etc.From a value standpoint, Dancers can go into a cantina or other structure and execute their "game effect", which takes an average of 2 minutes and then they are not needed for another three hours. A Pistoleer walks into their environment (Squill caves, mandalorian bunker, Corellian Corvette, etc and can "do their thing" for hours and hours.
Lets replace that Pistoleer with a Doctor...... The Doctor steps out of the TARDIS.... no wait, wrong story...
Where was I, oh yeah The Doctor can spend those same 2 minutes and buff people in her Medical Center, she can then wander out and go on the same Corvette Mission as the pistoleer and actually has a purpose while there.... The Dancer goes to the Corvette and gets to sit there and wait for others to actualy complete the mission because if he steps out of that room, poof one shot killed and does NOT get to contribute to the mission, other than the roleplay aspect, which any character can do if their player wants to.
1) Give the Entertainer Type some Combat Level, Novice Elite Box CL 5, Master Entertainer CL 5, Master Elite CL 10
2) Reduce the Entertainer Type's Skill Point Cost to allow for more Combat related skills to be gotten
not gonna talk about pros and cons of skill point reduction here, also not bout the state of Dancer or other Ent professions. I think enough people before me did.
I just wanted to point at the idea for a SP reduction I recently posted on the entertainer board.
Clickeh
darkk1138 wrote: "6 SP for novice, 1 SP for master, while the boxes in between don't cost any SP at all."
omgz, alright fine. we keep all the stinkin' sp.
ZinaTheMaker wrote:
i say nerf panthu.
/tickle
YuriaTayde wrote:
darkk1138 wrote: "6 SP for novice, 1 SP for master, while the boxes in between don't cost any SP at all."
I don't see your logic behind this, learn the basics of dance and then learning new dances is a snap? *scratches head* I dunno, I'm just skeptical, now if only I could think up a clever way to say "this would never work out!"................... eh.... Well I tried! I just dunno about this, that's all.Just one of those fealings about things that makes you walk around it with more distance then you normally would, I dunno why I don't like it I just don't...
I think that the base prof Entertainer should be unchanged. That's a feeling _I_ have.
In that case a reduction could only take place in the Elite profs. I also think there should be a difference whether you really pick up a profession or just meet the requirements for it, hence the SP cost for the novices.
Well, and that a Master Elite costs 1 SP is self-explaining, isn't it?