Dancer Archive

Oh yeah, and I also fully support the option to refuse service. It should be tied to Ignore. Yes there is a limited possibility of that being abused, but there are far more benefits than not.

I also wish Ignore not only blocked their chat messages, but also blocked their avatar and their radar signature both ways - I can't see them and they can't see me. Again there's some minor abuse potential, especially with PvP. But when I have to Ignore someone, I don't want to even know they exist,and there's nothing in game to stop someone from following you around, standing in your face, and using animated emotes to harrass you. And there's no way to report that or stop them unless a CSR is standing right there - and we all know that isn't going to be easy to do with their limited CS personnel, especially now when they're being bombarded with so many other game issues.

Im not gona start a flame war here I know my use of the word lame over and over was excessive true but I dunno Its a free country and all praise the lord so everyones opinion is a valid one untill it hurts someone so if she felt abused then it was wrong I just feel like it was some 12 year old on the other end bein a 12 year old idiot and if it was in RL meaning the face to face material world she would just shrug it off NOW ON THE OTHER HAND if it was a adult by all means castrate the guy im all for it. And because we dont know for sure who it was I just feel bad for all parties involved bad situation. And as for your post im sorry that happend to you and I know this dosnt mean much cuz it wasnt me but you shouldnt have felt wrong its not your fault your a woman and some guy has no morals or self respect and decided to harass you. In your case theres no defending anyone but you, and no im not trying to kiss up here what i thinks truth i let it known whether im right or not if I feel a certain way.

Diab,

I didn't mean to jump all over you. My only difference between what you just said and what I feel is that I think that the 12 yo using language like that should be handled just as severly as an adult. After all, if you impress that's its wrong young, they might not do it later.

And don't feel that you were upsetting me because I've been through all that crap and I had to drag it out for a point. I'm not glass becausethe issue is "personal"; instead, I hoped that it would help illustrate how having someone harass you in a game can feelicky. All my stuff happened a long time ago, I'm past it mostly, but it bugs me that it still happens at all. It bugs me worse when it happens and the victim gets the blame (as often happens in sexual harassment). I was lucky that my employers were more afraid of a lawsuit from me than ignoring their employees (something they did regularly, right up until someone got electriacuted on one of their machines and sued them anyway). I just think that if humans would address the verbal assult issues, then people might learn that they need to have respect on all levels.

Which brings me back on topic to say - my last post was mostly about airing my opinion. I just happened to empathize with the person who started the post...

Lovi

I think we're dealing with your typical feminazis here. What the "abuser" did in this incident was immature and offensive, and I do not condone it. However, I just as strong condemn the earlier poster who feels free to report anything she considers distasteful. That sort of "I'm telling!" behaviour is just as childish. We have all come together to play a game with thousands of other people. Some will be funny, some will be nice, and some will be jerks. You are NOT granted the right to only play with people whom you deem worthy. If you cannot tolerate the full spectrum of human beings in SWG, then you should play a solo game.

And, regarding your "most offensive" word:, if someone cuts me off in traffic (which I consider to be physical assault; much nastier than verbal; I feel completely justified in using that such word and others. Indeed, there is no law against it; no penalty to be levied.

As much as I ranted earlier, I do have an idea that might be worth mentioning. There should be spot checks done by CSR's. They could go in as players and monitor conversations, etc. Anyone caught behaving badly could be censured, without the need for an elaborate system of proof. A good place to stake out would be cantinas. Once a few people got the boot, word would spread.

"You know you people are realy freakin me out for one this is a game 'A GAME' your all acting like (well not all sorry) like some guy went up to this chick in RL and started stalkin her."

This guy did go up to this chick in RL. She was sitting at the other end of her computer screen. Just because he couldn't see her face, didn't mean that he wasn't harassing her. He was repeatedly using language that she had told him that she found offensive! He wasn't flirtin' and playin' to see if she was interested, he knew that she wasn't.

"Lemme say somethin here, the world is filled with people like this who LOOK to get offended LOOK to say OMG I cant beleive (insert event here)."

This wasn't a case of that, so I don't know why you even brought it up. He used the single most offensive word in the English language, and one I don't tolerate from friends, even in jest (even from my Navy friends, where it is used to describe a hat). See her posts above where she references that he used THAT vileword.

"Did the moron harrass you yes, was it called for absouletly not, did he go over board ya, but did it warrant possibly losing his account over it HELL NO."

I have to disagree with you. If he wouldn't take no for an answer, he was verbally forcing himself on her. Personally, I'd love to see such stuff prosecuted in RL (someone verbally assulting someone that is). Losing an account because you made a real woman feel nasty and violated is, in my opinion, a slap in the wrist.

"And by the way by you and your friends actively lookin for this guy sendin him tells and lookin to trick him into joining hunting parties for "revenge" is not only pathetic but EXACTLY THE SAME THING YOU ARE HARPIN ABOUT "HARRASMENT" and you to should have been reported if thats how you feel about harrasment. "

And here we agree a little. I would have checked around for the guy occasionally - keeping track of your enemies orthosewishing you illis always wise - but I wouldn't have gone the revenge route. Some people, however, feel very strongly about rape and (in on-line games) verbal rape. I'm still not going to report people for acting on a cause they feel so strongly about and because I hate such crimes myself.

"Grow up and find a real cause to get ripped about theres people all over the world diein and stuff every day and your getin peved cuz some kid online wanted to see your ta ta's or whatever."

It is a real cause! Sexual harassment is a serious deal. I have been sexually harassed in my workplace. I reported it. He was reassigned until I switched departments (No one lost pay or anything like that). It felt bad. I felt bad, like I had done something wrong, even as my brain was screaming that I had been wronged. And I have been assulted.And no one will ever be able to convince me that sexual harassment isn't very similar to more physical forms of assult. I know better.

That said, my Twi'lek dancer was mildly harassed byanother character. I was polite to him until he used the /sniff social, at which point, I decided that was my line in the sand. I went OOC and told him that my wife wanted him to quit sniffing me (which she actually asked me to say to him in RL). He said, ok, and I haven't heard from him again (he probably though I was a male rping a female, but the point is, I made it clear I wasn't comfortable, and he was good enough to respect that).

Lame is refusing to consider that someone's feelings were hurt in this exchange. Lame is defending some idiot who should know that no means no. Lame is telling everyone that rping is just a game, when in reality, it comes very close to being a social event.

Unless your signature always says "LAME", which would be, well, you know. ;^>

Lovi

this is stupid. It's a game. And the reason you're a dancer is for the underlying sexual expression... its there, thats what real life dancing is based up and such it is in the game. How come no one gets their panties in a bunch when, as a Rebel, they receive death threats from an Imperial?

well i havent read the entire thread, but im just gonna say here. yes, its was harrassment. and to what flawed diamond was saying up near the top......what are you supposed to do? in a real life "old west" situation, the bartender, or any gentleman in the cantina could, and very well probabaly WOULD have just pulled a pistol (or rifle int eh bartenders situation) and blown the fools head clear off.

1) the bartender in an SWG cantina is an NPC, and thus, doesnt care.

2) PvP is consentual only, and the guy could just decline the duel

3) death is temporary anyway, so even if he DID duel and lose, he can come back and continue harrassment.

even normally, if yer offended you can slap, punch, kick, etc, and very likely get assistance from other dancers or the band, but you cant here. you cant do anything except report them for misconduct. the GMs are the bartenders that DO care here.

"Second Point. There's a BIG difference between Eroticism and Obscenety. Eroticism is the art of Saying something Without saying it. Obscenity is pretty obvious when you hear it and YOU know when you're doing it. The first fascinates me. The second bores me."

Well said. And there's a huge difference between sensuality and overt sexual behavior, as well.

OOC (Out of Character) and IC (In Character) determines the harrasment side of it. As previously stated, if ICly, you said no, than the other person pushed it ICly...that's RP. If you OOCly say no, then they push it, that's harrassment.

Like a poster here, I don't discuss my gender in game (don't let a recent movie fool you, I'm not an effeminante yet strangely masculine french man...the title predates the film by a few millenia and is sexless ), or any personal details at all. I'm an author, and to me, online RP is like an improv exercise for writers...Who's Line Is It Anyways, for the keyboard. While this isn't abnormal on text games ( I've been MUSHing for years), it's nice to run into others here that do the same thing....

Where I'm going with this is that, in reaction to the question of how I would handle it...that is, I'd make it quite clear that my reactions were RP, and if they pushed it beyond characters to RL harrasment in an OOC manner, then that's where I draw the line. IC is IC, OOC is RL. And if they're the type who can't seperate the two properly, it becomes OOC harrasment if they don't pay attention to the RP'd response. (I'm not forcing them to RP, but I will RP an reaction. If they continue to push it as if I hadn't rejected them, and it becomes obvious that it's a twink pushing cybersex because to them, they're anonymous and can do whatever they want...that's where the OOC harrasment comes in.)


Ironically, my character is fairly mercenary and a touch sociopathic (there's some definate grey shadding in where she draws the murky line) and while she wouldn't be above taking up a RP'd offer to lapdance for credits, she's not the type to flaunt the idea...but I've never once had anyone push it beyond innuendo and flirting, and nobody's offered me moolah for special dances.
Maybe they're just drawn to people who'll say no...or maybe they somehow sense that I can't take actual cycbersex seriously.

If someone calls you on the phone and verbally harasses you with sexual remarks, you can report them to the phone company. It is illegal and they can be prosecuted.

This is no different. The phone line is the modem, the person doing the insulting is a stranger.

Sexual harassment is serious and if one persists after be told to stop then it should be reported and the person should be warned and possibly lose their account if they continue the harassment toward this person or another.

Those of you who call this lame simply do not understand the situation or fear that something you say will be misonstrued. If you stop when asked, then you should not be reported. Just be sure to listen. There is a person on the other end of the computer, not simply a toon. There is absolutely no reason to sexually harass someone other than to make their playing time miserable. It should not be allowed and it is not allowed.

Nice try. The comparison is not the same. In this game, unlike in real life, the victim always has the option to immediately and permanently stop the harrassment. This is what the /ignore command is for. People who do not use the command to stop the "abusers" are simply enabling them.

Also besides the /ignore command you could have easily left the cantina or logged out no one was forcing you to stay there. Also, it it offended you that bad you could easily cancel your account and move to the world of solo gaming,i hear morrowind is very good, because chances are that if a few accounts are banned sexual harassment will not stop (criminal exceutation has been done for centuries and crime never stopped). The dancing profession is basedon sex appeal, that is why female dancers make more tips than male dancers and look at all the revealing clothes (bustiers, hot pants etc).my suggestion is not to dwell on it and enjoy the game.

Bulbous,

Obviously you don't get this and will likely try to refute it. But, the Ignore and Profanity Filters are NOT there to justify harrassment or foul language; just because you can ignore them or filter out their obscenities does not mean that type of behavior is allowed. Those actions are still against the rules, let alone morally wrong when forced upon someone else, and you WILL be reported for it by those of us who grew out of our teenage angst-riden rebelliousness.

Your rights end where others begin. Adhere to the community rules, or get kicked out of the community.