Dancer Archive

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OtizAcki wrote:
Where you see sweet lemonade i see absolute rotten poison.

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Thats no worry for me about buff bots going away. I myself have a third computer i can duel log two ents on and be in its own, for pvp battles, our live entertainers.

As for the post from above there.. I guess im imagining posts and msgs and flames and such about afk buff bots all over the place because seems to me a lot of people are hating afk buff bots.

To prove it.. among this post alone we have one sharing that exact same view:

"wait a moment, you see lemons, i see some slightly under-sweet lemonaide. if it goes live like that, then live dancers suddenly become INCREDIBLY important and in demand. sure a machine can use /setperformance on someone (the first person into the group), but what a hassel (sp?). these things are supposed to be convienient and for anyone to use, and suddenly their convienience drops to 1/20th it potential? the people who want their buffs now now now would have to find alternate service providers. hmmmm..... i ponder upon this."

2nd official reply in this thread in pink by tangleweb

3 posts later: "I say keep this bug, but apply it to musicians as well, I loves it " by Eaca

The sweet lemonade comment I made was in direct response to tangleweb's first line


And wow a 1 star im hurt. Fact is this is going to hurt PVP all around, by the time the last person in the group is done his/her buff the first person's buffs will be wearing out. I've heard rumors of making the mind not targetable or severely reducing damage taken to the mind pool in any way shape or form but without such patches this is going to kill pvp because right now unless your jedi your best bet for victory is that mind pool.. Without those stats your done.

Message Edited by OtizAcki on 01-25-2005 10:03 PM

In case all of you PvPers don't know allready a Tag team of Live Entertainers (1 Musician and 1 Dancer) can fully buff 18(maybe 19 would have to make sure that still worked) in 3:20... that's 3 minutes and 20 seconds. I have no idea where you are all pulling your numbers from but that's not even close to 8 or 10 minutes. Let alone 126+ minutes for an entire PvP group.

It's a bug and it sucks I mean I used to be able to fully buff groups in around 7 minutes As I am a Master Musician and a Master Dancer. But for now I'll just find another master and team with them when I buff.
And yes we do like to look on the positive sides of things here. We sort of have to. The bug that was fixed that caused this bug has been around for over 6 months. I have no reason to think this one will really get fixed any faster when there are work arounds for it.

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Vehon wrote:

Had a hunt today and no mind buffs. Few died because of it too.

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Like I've said in the past, the mind isn't the be all and end all of hunting. Few people die because they didn't have mind buffs.

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Panthu wrote:

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Esharra wrote:

But on a more topical note..is there anyway they can at least hotfix out this change until it works right?

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I'm not sure that a hotfix is more topical. As Tiaga has said many times, Keld has flat out said that our buffing code is a total mess and needs to be completely redone. I don't know that it wouldn't be easier to just scrap the old code and create totally new code now. That's what I was asking Deila about.

AFAIK, Keld never said that would have to wait for a revamp, he just said it needed to be done... and things are being done now.

Edit: Oh, and I'm totally quoting you about the rest, Esh. Well said!

Message Edited by Panthu on 01-25-2005 12:42 PM

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As for hotfixing..I was only referring to reverting the changes brought about by today's patch. God knows our code is borked & yeah, I'd love it if they could just re-write the whole mess.

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Or better yet - just highlight it all ... and delete it! Seriously though, I'd be interested in finding out if that's a possibility they are considering, or are the devs deadset on us being mind buffers regardless. I know many of us put a lot of effort into trying to find ways to improve the buffing process, but I wonder if we should be spending some time trying to decide if we should even be buffing at all. Just a thought.

My only question is how long before the bots and those trying to use them notice it's bugged and start a flame fest on the forums...

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DanceRulez wrote:

Seriously though, I'd be interested in finding out if that's a possibility they are considering, or are the devs deadset on us being mind buffers regardless.

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DarkY0da wrote:
My only question is how long before the bots and those trying to use them notice it's bugged and start a flame fest on the forums...

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I was actually thinking ahead for once and attempted to raise the alert first on my server forums with this post. So far, no discussion....

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OtizAcki wrote:
This takes 6 months to fix? I can see a substantial amount of PVP'ers gone from the game until either its returned to normal or until the mind pool isnt so important/

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Right and a substantial amount of people play a STAR WARS game actively because they want to sit in a building for their duration of their gaming time and shake their grove thing.

Ive not seen any proof that the duel buffing works for everyone so long as theres 2 seperate entertainers doing opposite buffs (with /stopwatch first and /stoplisten second) except for heresay. No offense intended to anyone but I'll believe it when I actually accomplish it tomorrow.

So for right now it has NOTHING to do with the fact that "live mind buffers being hard to find" its a matter of "buffs taking a long time". I am not going to wait through an hour of buffing what used to take 10 minutes for our standard sized pvp group to go out and kill imps. And if this is the case I am willing to bet a lot of other PVP'ers will not be willing to do the same and just how many PVP'ers make up the servers populations? Not just their pvp characters, but their alt chars that assist their guilds/groups day in and day out. Think they're going to put effort into a game that has lost the true fun they seek?

I already mentioned the fact by the way that if the need for dual entertainers doing opposite buff sessions is a requirement (again ill see for myself tomorrow) that it wont be any harder than dual logging on a rarely used machine. Again thats not the point I was making.

I also apologise for my lack of wanting to hang out in cantinas all day waiting to find one entertainer that decides to log on for an hour or two and go hey omg your real. Give me a buff plz. Hey want to join a guild and/or be like my guilds personal call-girl?. This also has nothing to do with my ability to interact with society not to mention the fact that it doesnt take a "man" to walk up to a computer generated image and start up a conversation any more than it takes to attempt to belittle a person over the internet.

Anywho I am done with what can only be a child who has to resort to insults to attempt to inflate his own ego or make himself look right.

Again - Praying for a hotfix soon.

Message Edited by kirah_ashlin on 01-26-2005 07:39 AM