Dancer Archive
Thread: New Inspiration Buffs
Sakura-Ikari
Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:20 am
#40
sadly the buffbots are already rejoicing this change though.
read this:
http://forums.station.sony.com/swg/board/message?board.id=in_concept&message.id=24958#M24958
Else-Whira
Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:29 am
#41
Why is anyone going to pay you for a buff that any novice entertainer hungry for experience needs to give for free?
Sirii roll yourself a normal looking male character and then go play it and tell me how many tips you get from playing that way. Those tips you are getting are coming from the male need to appeal to a woman. I can honestly say that a good 90% of my tip income is gained from this fact that I happily exploit to my benefit.
As a test to see if male entertainers have it worse off than female entertainers I created a male character on test and played him exactly the same way I play my female character and the friendly folks in the NU cantina were ready to ban me from the building because I looked "gay".
Sirii roll yourself a normal looking male character and then go play it and tell me how many tips you get from playing that way. Those tips you are getting are coming from the male need to appeal to a woman. I can honestly say that a good 90% of my tip income is gained from this fact that I happily exploit to my benefit.
As a test to see if male entertainers have it worse off than female entertainers I created a male character on test and played him exactly the same way I play my female character and the friendly folks in the NU cantina were ready to ban me from the building because I looked "gay".
Sutarion
Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:41 am
#42
Esharra wrote:
No, thank you.
Ihareo wrote:
Would you like me to put together a proposal Esharra?
Esharra, I realize you're at work, and we may need to wait until tonight, but how do you plan to address this? There seems to beentertainersfor it and others against it.
I think we all like the idea behind it, but some of us are skeptical about the implementation drafted in the design document.
EsclavoTKM
Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:47 am
#43
This whole combat downgrade is seriously making me reconsider keeping this subscription. I know some will say that it's just in testing, but from past experience with SoE in both this game and EQ, I have very little faith in them anymore. They are taking one of the greatest professions and turning it into a fast food restaurant. Sure, the trainee can buff you, will take a bit longer but it will be the same as the fully trained master. AND GUESS WHAT!?!?!?! YOU CAN GET IT FOR FREE!!!!!!!
Not only are they adding stupid flashy icons, horrible sound effects and magical faery dust particles, oh and did I mention MAGICAL healing... but they are forcing level based grouping AND medics can only heal you if grouped and you are in combat!!! Wonderful isn't it!?
I see so many people cheering for this new level based grouping when they don't even realize that in the Live game this just won't work for most. What am I supposed to tell the newbie friend I just got involved in playing this game...sorry, I can't group with you cause you are too low lvl. Or what about people that want to work on a new prof while keeping their master.... sorry, can't do that anymore cause everything is lvl based and you have work linearly. The whole combat upgrade is seeming like a farce.
I'm sorry everyone, I'm just getting more and more disappointed on a daily basis with this whole thing. If they keep even 50% of what is in test, I will not be able to continue playing. I mean, the new armor is great, but what about the role players that like to be dancers wearing storm trooper armor or that like to hold a certain kind of weapon. The new templates are nice, but now changing them will be a nightmare because you have "level based experience". They take some great concepts and implement them in the worst possible way.
Sorry, I'll stop ranting...i'm just seriously fed up.
Not only are they adding stupid flashy icons, horrible sound effects and magical faery dust particles, oh and did I mention MAGICAL healing... but they are forcing level based grouping AND medics can only heal you if grouped and you are in combat!!! Wonderful isn't it!?
I see so many people cheering for this new level based grouping when they don't even realize that in the Live game this just won't work for most. What am I supposed to tell the newbie friend I just got involved in playing this game...sorry, I can't group with you cause you are too low lvl. Or what about people that want to work on a new prof while keeping their master.... sorry, can't do that anymore cause everything is lvl based and you have work linearly. The whole combat upgrade is seeming like a farce.
I'm sorry everyone, I'm just getting more and more disappointed on a daily basis with this whole thing. If they keep even 50% of what is in test, I will not be able to continue playing. I mean, the new armor is great, but what about the role players that like to be dancers wearing storm trooper armor or that like to hold a certain kind of weapon. The new templates are nice, but now changing them will be a nightmare because you have "level based experience". They take some great concepts and implement them in the worst possible way.
Sorry, I'll stop ranting...i'm just seriously fed up.
Sakura-Ikari
Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:49 am
#44
Sutarion wrote:
Esharra wrote:
No, thank you.
Ihareo wrote:
Would you like me to put together a proposal Esharra?
Esharra, I realize you're at work, and we may need to wait until tonight, but how do you plan to address this? There seems to beentertainersfor it and others against it.
I think we all like the idea behind it, but some of us are skeptical about the implementation drafted in the design document.
nothing is going to be lost if our "proposal" isn't posted until 7 or 8 pm. This isn't going live today. Please give her a chance to get home, have some chocolate, and prepare for battle.
Esharra
Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:51 am
#45
Sutarion wrote:
Esharra wrote:
No, thank you.
Ihareo wrote:
Would you like me to put together a proposal Esharra?
Esharra, I realize you're at work, and we may need to wait until tonight, but how do you plan to address this? There seems to beentertainersfor it and others against it.
I think we all like the idea behind it, but some of us are skeptical about the implementation drafted in the design document.
How do I plan to address this? It is my responsibility to report to the developers the feedback and commentary of the Dancer community as expressed in this forum. And that is precisely what I will be doing..in numbers and verbatim. If you know of others who have an opinion and have not expressed it here, please encourage them to do so.
The proposal is only going to In Concept now. It is something that can wait until this evening when I get home from work. When a proposal is In Concept, that's the best time for us to get our feedback in regarding the designed implementation.
Thanks everyone, for contributing to the discussion.
Sutarion
Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:00 am
#46
Sakura-Ikari wrote:
nothing is going to be lost if our "proposal" isn't posted until 7 or 8 pm. This isn't going live today. Please give her a chance to get home, have some chocolate, and prepare for battle.
Ah! You're right, I'm sorry if I sounded hasty. I have full confidence that this community will be able to work with this. I really should stop worrying so much about things.
*sits down and has a snack*
Drygo
Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:04 am
#47
As many have said, I think the concept is great, and the implementation horrible. But, really, guys...if you look at the core concept it's great. I agree with the same thing most have said: no secure payment, buffbots, novice the same as master, etc.
So, you should do something about. Go post a constructive criticism. What they have is a very good start, but we desperately need to help them make it work for us. And, we can't do that by sitting here bitching and moaning.
Doriana
Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:17 am
#48
Dr-Evil- wrote:I'm not sure if you guys know but recursive macros are not in CU. You cant start a macro with a macro. This would make it difficult for buffbots to exist. I tried to create a cycling macro in CU but it wouldnt cycle.
Mine worked fine too, it was the very first thing I tested...
Einhinder
Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:20 am
#49
Doriana wrote:
Dr-Evil- wrote:
I'm not sure if you guys know but recursive macros are not in CU. You cant start a macro with a macro. This would make it difficult for buffbots to exist. I tried to create a cycling macro in CU but it wouldnt cycle.
Mine worked fine too, it was the very first thing I tested...
so do they or dont they work buffbotts gone good but i am gonna miss my longer song macroes
Sutarion
Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:25 am
#50
Einhinder wrote:
so do they or dont they work buffbotts gone good but i am gonna miss my longer song macroes
Unfortunately, they still work. I'm not sure where the notion that they were fixed came from
Doriana
Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:27 am
#51
Best way to find out would be to cut and paste one of your songs from live over to TC and just try it 
Anyway
While this is "in concept," lets go post our constructive feedback and (sorry Sirii) hope they give us some sort of interface. As I posted there I still think Utess' suggestion is the best for discouraging long-term AFK while not overly hindering short-term AFK, and giving us a way to know who is watching so we can request payment.
personally I still think that as long as we're completely passive, even if AFK were removed, people won't respect us. How many times have we been told that we don't deserve money because we use no consumables?
But regardless of how you view passivity go post constructive suggestions please! Numbers are important here, so they don't blow us off.
I am pleasantly surpirsed to see no trolling buffbot owners ('cept a single post by that one), though
Anyway
While this is "in concept," lets go post our constructive feedback and (sorry Sirii) hope they give us some sort of interface. As I posted there I still think Utess' suggestion is the best for discouraging long-term AFK while not overly hindering short-term AFK, and giving us a way to know who is watching so we can request payment.
personally I still think that as long as we're completely passive, even if AFK were removed, people won't respect us. How many times have we been told that we don't deserve money because we use no consumables?
But regardless of how you view passivity go post constructive suggestions please! Numbers are important here, so they don't blow us off.
I am pleasantly surpirsed to see no trolling buffbot owners ('cept a single post by that one), though
Einhinder
Mon Apr 04, 2005 11:33 am
#52
Doriana wrote:
Best way to find out would be to cut and paste one of your songs from live over to TC and just try it
Anyway
While this is "in concept," lets go post our constructive feedback and (sorry Sirii) hope they give us some sort of interface. As I posted there I still think Utess' suggestion is the best for discouraging long-term AFK while not overly hindering short-term AFK, and giving us a way to know who is watching so we can request payment.
personally I still think that as long as we're completely passive, even if AFK were removed, people won't respect us. How many times have we been told that we don't deserve money because we use no consumables?
But regardless of how you view passivity go post constructive suggestions please! Numbers are important here, so they don't blow us off.
I am pleasantly surpirsed to see no trolling buffbot owners ('cept a single post by that one), though
lol shows how tired i am i did first night of cu tc
/whap self