Dancer Archive
Thread: New Inspiration Buffs
Eaca
Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:06 am
#27
Sutarion wrote:
Folks, we need to try to not jump the gun on some of these issues we're having. I'd rather not see anyone threatening to quit until we see it on TC-5 and also see if we can't make changes to the proposed design document.
It's not in testing, it's not in development, it's "in concept". That means they haven't even started on this yet, this will be added some time after the CU guts 2/3 of our functionality. Added some time after the endless patches to balance, revamp, and upgrade the CURB which is being horibly rushed. If the CU goes live may 5, we'll see this on TC sometime mid august, maybe september.
CristineA
Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:10 am
#28
Else-Whira wrote:
Naw, they only need 15 skill points for a full buff.
CristineA wrote:
I just realized something about this, any crafter could now get a 2nd account, invest the time and $$ into a musician/dancer combo and keep this bot in his/her house just for this very purpose, oooh the horror of having more bots around.
True, for a 30min buff, but those wanting more time, for those that really spend a lot of time crafting their art to perfection, will spend more then just 30mins, they'll want to go after the 3 hr buff, thus spending more skill points on that toon and the $$ for the CA's.
'All Inspiration Buffs will have the same effect regardless of whether they come from a Novice Entertainer or a Master Dancer. This means that an Inspiration Buff from a Novice Entertainer and Master Dancer will be the same. The maximum duration of an inspiration buff will be 3 hours. The time it takes to get to this maximum will depend on the entertainer's skill level. A novice entertainer may take a minute to give you a 30 minute inspiration, but the same minute spent with a double master dancer/musician with +25 skill tapes will yield a 3 hour buff in that same minute.'
RuytooBasgar
Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:18 am
#29
I like the idea of the new Buff but the way it will be applied to someone is HORRIBLE.
I made a few suggestions in a post on this Forum a minute ago. Please read that.
Coreena
Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:26 am
#30
The new buff is ok
The way its applied couldn't be worse.
a) Master Dancer/Musicians and Novice Entertainer buff the same, just the time needed is different.
b) No need for /setperfom, you don't even have to be grouped.
So there is no need AT ALL now to search for a life Master Dancer/Musician, no, an AFK-Novice Entertainer in Coronet can buff you exactly the same, and they don't even have to do anything.
There goes the last bit of Income for entertainers (not counting the Missions, they're a joke, sorry). Anyone can just watch me, and get a buff, they don't even have to ask anymore!
I'm royally pissed, to say it in a polite way.
The way its applied couldn't be worse.
a) Master Dancer/Musicians and Novice Entertainer buff the same, just the time needed is different.
b) No need for /setperfom, you don't even have to be grouped.
So there is no need AT ALL now to search for a life Master Dancer/Musician, no, an AFK-Novice Entertainer in Coronet can buff you exactly the same, and they don't even have to do anything.
There goes the last bit of Income for entertainers (not counting the Missions, they're a joke, sorry). Anyone can just watch me, and get a buff, they don't even have to ask anymore!
I'm royally pissed, to say it in a polite way.
Seakla
Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:29 am
#31
I support the concept. Not the application.
I'm forseeing more buffbots because of this.
It's a great idea though, but we do still need a way to remove the automating.
My 2 credits.
I'm forseeing more buffbots because of this.
It's a great idea though, but we do still need a way to remove the automating.
My 2 credits.
Dr-Evil-
Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:54 am
#32
I'm not sure if you guys know but recursive macros are not in CU. You cant start a macro with a macro. This would make it difficult for buffbots to exist. I tried to create a cycling macro in CU but it wouldnt cycle.
Eaca
Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:55 am
#33
Dr-Evil- wrote:
I'm not sure if you guys know but recursive macros are not in CU. You cant start a macro with a macro. This would make it difficult for buffbots to exist. I tried to create a cycling macro in CU but it wouldnt cycle.
Mine worked fine.
RuytooBasgar
Mon Apr 04, 2005 9:59 am
#34
Dr-Evil- wrote:
I'm not sure if you guys know but recursive macros are not in CU. You cant start a macro with a macro. This would make it difficult for buffbots to exist. I tried to create a cycling macro in CU but it wouldnt cycle.
Instead of using the /macro "name" command, did you try the /ui action toolbarSlotXX commands and making macors that loop one to another then back to the first one?. I am sure the AFKer's will find some loop hole. And even then, I saw no mention in the new applying system that you have to do Flourishes. Infact is says the Entertainer and the watcher have to do nothing, its passive so they could just sit there with the Base Dance on and buff.
DureenaBadKarma
Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:02 am
#35
Hey gang.. I read about the dance stuff on my galaxy forum and thought I'd come see what you were making of it, having a soft spot for you all (used to dance myself on Farstar way back).
I'm glad you've got a purpose in the new system, but as has been said the execution is terrible. It's like theft! I use my time and effort to make XYZ and then my vendor gives it out for free, would seem a good analogy.
The only question I have is from everyone saying there will be more buffbots around. From what I know of the buffbots on my server they are either guild buffers (which will always be there) and the bots in the major cantinas - Mr RandyPantz is infamous on Chimaera. But the latter are in it for one thing and one thing only... money. If the buffs have no commitment to them (no forced grouping so no tells spam orgroup spam demanding money etc) and people feel less inclined to give money then surely they will leave faster than a Jawa at a Tusken convention?
This then gives the ATK ents the chance to smile/wink/speak etc to people who they can tell are watching them, which you do now anyway, and hence the money slips more in your direction. Just a thought from the outside.
As ever, I hope it works out for you. A cantina with nothing but AFK's (or even no) ents will take a big part of the atmosphere from this game, and we've got precious little of that knocking about as it is.
*hugs*
PoetDancer
Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:09 am
#36
This is the sort of thing I had dreamed of. An utterlypassive, pre-activity draw.
We can work with it. As a live dancer, I have all the tools I need to not be taken advantage of. I have my eyes. I have my /deny. I have my volition to leave the venue. What is more, I no longer have to be a master at algebra. I can dance and carry on, and be assured my patrons will get the things they need. And even if some--or a lot--do not tip, I'll have so many other, previously unreachable patrons that will bein a position to care about what is going on in the cantina.
I reject the notion that the playerbase has beenirredeemablycorrupted by buffbots. We are the same players we always were. But we had to deal with a system that turned us against each other and drove a wedge between what the class should be, and what it was in truth: merely an attempt to master algebra, the boring and more certain, the better.
What is more is that I become more effective. I am no longer limited to 20 buffs every two minutes...assuming all goes well. I can now buff 200! Or 2000! Or 20,000!
Buffbots? They havenegligible tools to prevent being taken advantage of with passivity. In fact, we would no longer be able to call them buffbots, because they no longer have any buff to give away. We do not either under this system. So all it means is that we'll be judged on much different criteria than if we give out a "/" command or not. We'll be judged on much different criteria than if we "get the math right." Because when the sunum bonum of this class becomes "getting the math right," it no longer is a dance the patrons want. It instead becomes an attempt to own a calculator: a buffbot.
No longer can they /addignore an invitee. No longer can they sequence a buffing cycle with the mathematical precision we have difficulty duplicating. Yes, they now are more effective. Instead of buffing upwards of 14,000 a day, they now can buff anunlimited number of players....the same number I can in a day's active play. I have enough faith in we dancers here--all of us--that we'll come out better, no matter who we are. No longer will unattended spam mean much. In fact, they'll discover quickly it is an annoyance to patrons.
Unattendance ultimately must be resolved. Butuntil they do,I am very much interested in perhaps using unattendees as a draw. Yes, as a means to gain more income. Why? Because when the unattendee draws patrons in with their +125% clothes,we will be there upstage them withour show: the only real thing we dancers really had to earn a tip...ever.
And if I ever get to that magic number myself, rest assured I will know what an attraction I will be. Which makes it ever more imperative that I be treated well, with respect and class. Because ultimately, an unattended alt needs no respect and class, and will quickly discover how veryfutile it is to expect tips without showing up to work. But us? They have always prefered us. They were simply never in a position to care about it.
Until now.
Coreena
Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:09 am
#37
Dr-Evil- wrote:I'm not sure if you guys know but recursive macros are not in CU. You cant start a macro with a macro. This would make it difficult for buffbots to exist. I tried to create a cycling macro in CU but it wouldnt cycle.
/echo This is a looping macro;
/pause 1;
/macro loop;
And named the macro "loop". Looped perfectly, and spammed my window with "This is a looping macro".
Ihareo
Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:13 am
#38
PoetDancer wrote:
This is the sort of thing I had dreamed of. An utterlypassive, pre-activity draw.
We can work with it. As a live dancer, I have all the tools I need to not be taken advantage of. I have my eyes. I have my /deny. I have my volition to leave the venue. What is more, I no longer have to be a master at algebra. I can dance and carry on, and be assured my patrons will get the things they need. And even if some--or a lot--do not tip, I'll have so many other, previously unreachable patrons that will bein a position to care about what is going on in the cantina.
I reject the notion that the playerbase has beenirredeemablycorrupted by buffbots. We are the same players we always were. But we had to deal with a system that turned us against each other and drove a wedge between what the class should be, and what it was in truth: merely an attempt to master algebra, the boring and more certain, the better.
What is more is that I become more effective. I am no longer limited to 20 buffs every two minutes...assuming all goes well. I can now buff 200! Or 2000! Or 20,000!
Buffbots? They havenegligible tools to prevent being taken advantage of with passivity. In fact, we would no longer be able to call them buffbots, because they no longer have any buff to give away. We do not either under this system. So all it means is that we'll be judged on much different criteria than if we give out a "/" command or not. We'll be judged on much different criteria than if we "get the math right." Because when the sunum bonum of this class becomes "getting the math right," it no longer is a dance the patrons want. It instead becomes an attempt to own a calculator: a buffbot.
No longer can they /addignore an invitee. No longer can they sequence a buffing cycle with the mathematical precision we have difficulty duplicating. Yes, they now are more effective. Instead of buffing upwards of 14,000 a day, they now can buff anunlimited number of players....the same number I can in a day's active play. I have enough faith in we dancers here--all of us--that we'll come out better, no matter who we are. No longer will unattended spam mean much. In fact, they'll discover quickly it is an annoyance to patrons.
Unattendance ultimately must be resolved. Butuntil they do,I am very much interested in perhaps using unattendees as a draw. Yes, as a means to gain more income. Why? Because when the unattendee draws patrons in with their +125% clothes,we will be there upstage them withour show: the only real thing we dancers really had to earn a tip...ever.
And if I ever get to that magic number myself, rest assured I will know what an attraction I will be. Which makes it ever more imperative that I be treated well, with respect and class. Because ultimately, an unattended alt needs no respect and class, and will quickly discover how veryfutile it is to expect tips without showing up to work. But us? They have always prefered us. They were simply never in a position to care about it.
Until now.
You. Are. My. God. 
I mean holy cow that was beautifully put!!
Esharra
Mon Apr 04, 2005 10:14 am
#39
No, thank you.
Ihareo wrote:
Esharra wrote:
I'm at work and it's a Monday so I am unable to prepare a response at this time. Please keep the feedback coming and don't forget to post on the focus thread that Tiggs started on In Concept!
Would you like me to put together a proposal Esharra?
