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Eaca

Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:50 pm

I'm probably actually easier than the rest of you to please. I only want one thing really. When a new entertainer asks me "How does an entertainer make money?" I want to be able to answer them. That's it. Answer that question and I'll shut up. Expecting tips for passive services rendered is NOT an income. It's appreciated, but it's neither reliable nor in most cases substantial. Hell, if they'd just add in entertainer missions that scaled on entertainer level, with mission payouts approximately that of what an elite combat profession could reasonably pull I'd be happy. I'd be able to answer the question. As it stands NOTHING they have done has helped me better answer that question. So far EVERYTHING they have done has only made it harder.

Panthu

Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:56 pm

#41

Eaca wrote:

I don't buy the whole "keep positive or we won't get anything" any more. We were positive for well over a year and what did it get us? Nothing. It only recently started getting negative around here and we only recently started getting attention.

You are wrong. You are giving bad advice. You are hurting our chances. The Corrs know you are wrong, because we have been able to see things get "shelved" due to negative feedback. There is no morality issue here. No one is telling you to "be a good poster and hush." You simply do not have access to the full picture and you are reading surface signs incorrectly.

Scip's little write up of the two scenario's above is so dead on it's scary. This very same Dev tried to offer us what he is now being so vague about a year ago.

I don't even know this dude, but it's pretty obvious who he is:

Phydeaux-K9 wrote:

The performer’s replacement abilities are still being discussed, but as answered in question 1, we want to give an interactive method for performers to grant buffs and bonuses. The discussed methods so far have been more along the lines of the performer playing a game, and the better they play the game, the better buffs their audience gets. The elite performers would get the lion's share of these new abilities, though some of the minor ones might be available to entertainers. I personally don't think any windowed system fits with performers, when I did it for IDers it was much more necessary because of the customer approval aspect, but for performers it really needs to be fluid and more interactive, and not restrict the performer's creative expression. On the issue of AFK performers we're really looking to a carrot vs whip approach. We'd rather reward the ATK performer with better abilities that can only be achieved through active participation (resulting in an interesting performance, of course) rather than punishing or eradicating the AFK performer (who, in the end will provide inferior but useful services).

This is Kwee's Dev. This is the man RS assigned to work with Kwee on their revamp. He tried to offer this in an In Concept that obviously he gave to TH and obviously got pushed aside from the number 2 example Scip gave. I was not given a chance to read that In Concept before it was posted, which is odd because normally that's something Corrs do. It was up for a very short amount of time and got pulled due to negative feedback and no Dev would ever talk about it again.

This is one dude's plan. It looks like it is being considered again because something else you may never even hear about out here was put aside due to negative feedback. Pure negative feedback makes Devs stop trying. They don't have to do anything here. The game could change around us and we'd just be these goofy little set of Profs that no Dev ever works on because no one wants to get yelled at.

This is at least our second try with this guy. Let's please not run him off. We are running out of Devs who will work with us.

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PoetDancer

Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:16 pm

#42

There were a few things I have noticed on TC5:

The Good Things:

Not muchspam.

Polite patrons that were in the mood to talk, or at least not disruptive.

An easygoing atmosphere.

Everybody getting in and out of there with what they want, and no complaints.

The Bad Things:

"Funny Money" credits mean that we cannot gauge the success or failure of the system.

Bad Clothes.

No IDs, so bad hairstyles.

Very short /watch and /listen range.

Door crowding.

So the truth of it is, we really do not have much information regarding whether this will work or not. But I like some aspects, since they make my time in there a whole lot easier than Bestine on the live servers today. I felt like I was doing something, and had the capacity to take the game into my own hands, instead of dancing, waiting around, fighting through spam and bodies, and hoping someone wanted me to buff them.

It was very casual, and the mood was good. People /watched and /listened to who they wanted to, and talked to whom they wanted to, if they were in the mood to talk. There were a few unattendees, but they did not bother me. A bit of spam, but generally rather light. The only thing I really regret is this range our patrons need to stand at to /watch. It is rather unsettling.

Madame Sirii Ajaan
August 2003-September 15, 2005
"There is a difference between being /watched and being WATCHED."

SianGali

Thu Apr 07, 2005 8:46 pm

#43

Esharra wrote:

Ok guys. Enough with the unfounded and apocalyptic assumptions. You are putting nails in our coffin faster than I can yank them out. You don't think the devs have decided against something for us in the pastbecause of posts like these? Stop making my job harder.

(Shake hands with the Esh that Doasa refers to as the thug.)

Okies I have to say /hi5!! bout time that was said

I can apply this to myself, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! /happydance

(Asania.)___(DfR)____(Sian)
.NN

--Qilue-UCW--

Thu Apr 07, 2005 9:18 pm

#44

If this is NOT the replacement for buff, and its just another kind of Healing XP.. I would not mind it saying passive...

I would just like a Dev to come out and say

"Yes, this is the replacement to Mind Buffs'

"No, New buffs will be comming"

Also think about this..

Alot of people are mentioning that because this is something that is given at Novice Entertainer thatbuffbots can drop down to Novice and still be able

to place these "insperations" Well, let them, Then when the real replacement buffs are put in they will be screwed.. lol

Signed, Kyo'nne Ilhar'dro
Kairn Medical Regiment, Chief Medic
Taeor Quartermaster

"I want to find something I've wanted all along... Somewhere I belong"

~ J'inx [Bria] ~ Kaji'ra [Starsider] ~ Qilue [Corbantis] ~ Bell'an [Valcyn] ~

PoetDancer

Thu Apr 07, 2005 10:14 pm

#45

--Qilue-UCW-- wrote:

Then when the real replacement buffs are put in they will be screwed.. lol

So will every honest livebase entertainer and dabbler as well, I am afraid. And that's the problem.

I just got finished responding to Phydeaux-K9's post. It made me think...

When did /startdance ever cease to be the "active protocol" for us? Because that is the act of volition that really makes sense, doesn't it? If we want to do our "giving dance" for someone, we should just dance, yes? That's the control on our mechanics that really makes sense.

And yet, we think nothing of our dance itself as being valuable. Just a means of doing something else. And all that does is hurt the novice entertainers who simply have so much less to work with than us in a mechanical sense, on top of a visual sense.

But I understand that with unattended LAMers around, we can never really think of the dance iteslf as being our act of volition. Because they really don't care about dancing for anybody, or nobody, and have no will, ambition, or desire to do anything than what its programmed to do.

And it makes me sad to seePhydeaux-K9 indicate that he's indifferent toward the real root difficulty that brings about "workarounds" like "real buffing." Because this real buffing may indeed give us this sense of value, of interdependency, and may actually give us some increased financial viability. But at the cost of making every novice entertainer's act of simple volition, the will to dance, moot, redundant, and worthless. So worthless that we'll simply dance, camp their content, and do it all in the name of activating "real buffs."

Don't think I don't understand why we need it. I do. But spending eleven months on Bria working my way up slowly from the bottom tends to make me reflect more deeply into the problems we elite professions make for those just as important as us, but perhaps unwilling or unable to fully be us.

Message Edited by PoetDancer on 04-08-2005 12:14 AM

Madame Sirii Ajaan
August 2003-September 15, 2005
"There is a difference between being /watched and being WATCHED."

Ikewe

Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:37 am

#46

Petronela wrote:

Oh Panthu... bless your heart.. I do so much, very much, incredibly much hope you are right and there there really is hope and there will be some incentive (not just esthetic incentive) to be a Master. Coz I really don't don't want to be Combat

*hides so they can't make her*

Deli'ah

/stands defensively in front of Deli'ah, uber rifle at the ready *smirk*

I hadstarted to suspect that there was more on the way and that this "inspiration buff" wasn't actually the real replacement for mind buffing. But I can never be certain if I am suffering from endorphin overload and just unusually giddy and happy when I have such thoughts so I kept them pretty much to myself. I'll hope that more will be revealed in the near future since it's the waiting in limbo that tends to bring on the "we're doomed" sensations. It's been hard for me to switch gears from thinking of myself as a healer to thinking of myself as ... well as anything else really. So here's to seeing something exciting and fun in our future.

Ikewe, Master Dancer, Shadowfire

When you wish upon a falling star, your dreams can come true. Unless it's really a meteorite hurtling to the Earth which will destroy all life. Then you're pretty much hosed no matter what you wish for. Unless it's death by meteor.

Schardour

Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:54 am

#47

Ravanne_Esi wrote:

This is a major nerf and injustice considering the very large investment we currently have in healing and buffing skill points and that it appears we will still have after the CU.

Rav, my answer to this would have to be....Bullsh!t. As recently stated by developer Phydeaux, this skill is not meant to replacebuffing, only act as another form of "healing." Yes, it's an enhancement, but certainly not an Elite Profession skill. +10% to a variety of skills useful primarily to low-level characters is a great addition to our skillsets, but obviously not a real money-maker. (This is why I was angry when this seemed to be all we were receiving.) Now that we've been told that more is on the table, we can think about what our real skills should be, and what we might receive from the devs in our time. Right now, we're still in the CU. They've hinted that our issues will still be addressed at a later time.

We may want to argue the fact that our high-level skills (to come later) should not be free and passive, because it may step on the toes of chefs, players who provide similar services in a different form. (Temporary non-HAM related bonuses.) We may want to push for an unintrusive control mechanism for Master-level Inspiration sales. We don't want to ask them to take away something awesome they've managed to give us....an interaction with the non-combat community and a big bonus for visiting the cantinas. (Maybe we can bring them in with the offer of free crafting or combat xp bonuses, and manage to sell them something else while they're there?)

If they're giving us more, we can definitely work with this system.

TIL KISMETA

lTlSlCl

A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable,

but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.

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Schardour

Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:57 am

#48

*realizes he should have continued reading, because this was already said*

TIL KISMETA

lTlSlCl

A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable,

but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.

XzXzXzXzX

Also...Tayel [PLD]

DarkY0da

Fri Apr 08, 2005 12:58 am

#49

I would like to point out that as a replacement for EH in the way of XP gain ... it's a little bit of a poor replacement with how BF is... I would like to see max bf honestly be something with some teeth to it... As it is right now on TC5 I've been playing with nearly max BF for a few days and the only thing it seems to affect is the free healing... Which I just wait and heal again, and again ect.

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Drygo

Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:58 am

#50

kirah_ashlin wrote:

*Wonders where the Stepford-Til came from*

I'm not going to comment on Til's crossed out answer below...*cough*

But, um, yeah, seems like some of us are getting all Stepford here. It all started with Panthu. *cough* Just a little joke there. /duck.

In all seriousness though, yeah, some of the posters still seem really unhappy and nasty and it doesn't seem like much is going to stop them from going into ...well, for lack of a better word...hissyfits. But, I think what I posted on another thread is relevant here. That is, there are many occasions when they get more negative feedback by not saying anything than they do when they just tell us what's going on and just barrel through the flaming stuff for the suggestions from players who have a more rational tone of voice.

All I can say right now, is that, for me...Phydeaux's post did wonders. And, from reading the forums, it seems like it helped a lot for many of us. I won't speak for everyone though. I just know that one post is enough to keep me going for quite some time because it was so direct, informative, and honest, and it wasn't even close to spellling out any kind of apocalyptic doom that's going to befall entertainers.

Two thumbs up on communication. I'm in a much better mood.

*Looks over the Real Estate ads in Stepford*

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Ravanne_Esi

Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:37 am

#51

Panthu wrote:

You simply do not have access to the full picture and you are reading surface signs incorrectly.

And who's fault is this? If they do not give us full information they have no reason to expect us to act on anything other than what we do have. And what we do have is minimal communication from the DEVs and a history of getting the short end of the stick. It has been stated in the past in this forum that respect must be earned, they have yet to earn ours.

Ravanne Esi
Master Dancer, Master Entertainer, Master Musician
Ragin' Rancor Enterprises
New Hope, Naboo

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Schardour

Fri Apr 08, 2005 6:47 am

#52

I know of three devs that have my respect, and one doesn't have "placating the mobs on the forums" in his/her job description.

TIL KISMETA

lTlSlCl

A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable,

but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.

XzXzXzXzX

Also...Tayel [PLD]

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