Dancer Archive
Thread: Inspirations on TC5
Einhinder
Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:26 pm
#27
I'm going to try and stay possitive because i dont want anything to ruin my good mood i tihnk maybe these buffs are a step in the right direction and it shows that yes the devs are thinking about us I think weve given them out opinion now we need to listen to what they have to say and i thinnk ythat them netioning more things in the future is a good sign also all I would like is more open communication from the devs on jsut what those new things are and when we can expect them i think thats what frustrates us most of all is lack of communication because we dont know we let our imagination run wild and well were entertianers we have damn good imaginations
EsclavoTKM
Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:33 pm
#28
I still give him a crap load of credits for getting on the boards and saying anything. He could have told me that they were going to do away with enterainers all together (no that is not my wish) and I would have sighed relief simply because I would have an answer. I've been on a bed of nails since this CU started, not particularly because I totally hate it, but because of the lack of real communication. I do wish they would just get rid of afk play, but quite honestly, I don't see it happening. BUT if the future plans have a lot of benefits for those that are atk, perhaps it will cut down on the afk in the cantina?
I have faith in Esh to bring up our concerns and have our voices be heard as entertainers.
At least I can say now, that thanks to this one developer, I'm starting to be happy about the game again. But I'm not sure it's enough to make me stay happy for too long since none of the hardcore questions about the combat issues are being answered.
I have faith in Esh to bring up our concerns and have our voices be heard as entertainers.
At least I can say now, that thanks to this one developer, I'm starting to be happy about the game again. But I'm not sure it's enough to make me stay happy for too long since none of the hardcore questions about the combat issues are being answered.
Eaca
Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:50 pm
#29
If this is supposed to replace mind wound healing and make up for that EH xp lost it's a piss poor replacement. Assuming you get 360 EHxp per buff given it takes 1781 buffs to master dancer or musician or 3448 to master both. That's almost 1800 buffs YOU have to give, because the EHxp generated by insp buffing is NOT shared with the group. This means if you're a novice entertainer in a cantina with a master dancer/musician the chances of you getting any EH xp from buffing is negligible, since people are going to watch/listen to the master over you. Add to this the fact that I now know that as your buff speed increases, your EHxp per pulse does NOT increase to compensate. If you're buffing you get 10 EHxp/pulse regardless if you're adding 5 minutes or 30 minutes. Right now at novice dancer the time increase per pulse is 7.5m/puslse (not the 20m/pulse that was stated in that other thread...), which means the total xp you get per buff dropped to 240 EHxp. So now the total number of buffs you have to give to master goes from 1781 to 2614 buffs. That's assuming that the buff time doesn't further decrease as you move up the skill boxes, which would skew that number higher. Again that's how many individual buffs you have to give, not how many buffs the group you're in has to give, as buff EHxp isn't shared with the group...
Aleyo
Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:52 pm
#30
Just because something is "future" doesn't mean it's necessarily "future after the combat upgrade after ROTW in the year 2415." I don't *know* if the extra abilities will be coming with the CU, or afterward, but you have to admit that Phydeaux-K9 was very direct and straightforward in answering the questions, so I have no reason to doubt that when he says they are working on these things, that they are actively working on these things.
If you are concerned about the possibility that we'll not get the extra abilities until a date long in the future, then state that; but it's not fair to assume it as fact and cry nerf. It doesn't help us at all.
Let's say you're a red-name who has entertainers as a task, along with 4 other various tasks. Your manager has said "get the entertainer stuff done within 3 months please". You also have deadlines on your other tasks, and you spend some time doing each of them.
Scenario 1) You go read feedback on your post telling entertainers that you're working on more abilities for them, and you read "I am very concerned about the viability of entertainers in terms of interdependence and income if we do not gain further abilities *at the same time the CU goes live*. In addition, I fear that many players will not see the benefit of spending the SP to gain the master professions because there is not enough in those boxes to justify the cost. I fear that many will drop the profession, or that new players will not see it as worthwhile, and I think we would really be better off if our elite abilities made it live with the CU instead of some undetermined date afterward."
You think to yourself "You know what? That's a very good point. My tasks 2-5 are really awesome additions to the game, but they're not as directly affected by the CU. I think I can focus a little more on the entertainer abilities, and see if I can get it out ahead of schedule (and I might even impress my manager by doing so)," and you alter your schedule to tilt a little more toward the entertainer changes.
Scenario 2) You go read feedback on your post telling entertainers that you're working on more abilities for them, and you read "This is a huge nerf to entertainers, and I can't believe you want to hurt us this badly. Are you so blind that you can't see that these inspirations (which are hardly inspiring) don't do anything for us? Are you that stupid? Why do you insist on taking away all our abilities and making us worthless? I might as well quit the game right now!"
You think to yourself "Ouch
. I thought my ideas were pretty good. I'm trying to make something good, and I have a lot more planned for them! Maybe the idea just sucks though, and I'm wasting my time. I hope my manager doesn't see all this negative feedback, or he'll think I did a bad job - I'm sure he'll just scrap what I'm doing now, so I might as well focus on tasks 2-5. And sheesh, I learned my lesson, I'm not going to post publicly about those tasks; I don't need this kind of harrassment, I'll just do my work behind the scenes and let Tiggs and Thunderheart take the heat," and you push the entertainer changes to the back of your mind, and focus your daily work on the other stuff instead.
Let me tell you, my only concern is to try to get for us entertainers as much awesome stuff as we can get. I want them to be the best professions in the game. I think part of what will help us to get that is to realize that devs are people, that giving them useful information helps us, while yelling doesn't help us and could even hurt us. And if you truly honestly believe that given the information that you have, that it's set in stone that we will be nerfed, that the end of the professions is nigh, and that we'll be scrapped to the trash bin of SWG history, then you'd have quit the game and not looked back. I know I would if I believed that. If you're still here, it looks to me like you still have hope that things will get better. Just realize that yelling that it's a fact that things are getting irrevocably worse doesn't make things better.
Anyways, /howdy to all the dancers. My musicians are being too quiet today, so I came over here to visit. This post applies to everyone giving feedback, and if my musicians get too rowdy, I'll definitely be pointing them here
.
If you are concerned about the possibility that we'll not get the extra abilities until a date long in the future, then state that; but it's not fair to assume it as fact and cry nerf. It doesn't help us at all.
Let's say you're a red-name who has entertainers as a task, along with 4 other various tasks. Your manager has said "get the entertainer stuff done within 3 months please". You also have deadlines on your other tasks, and you spend some time doing each of them.
Scenario 1) You go read feedback on your post telling entertainers that you're working on more abilities for them, and you read "I am very concerned about the viability of entertainers in terms of interdependence and income if we do not gain further abilities *at the same time the CU goes live*. In addition, I fear that many players will not see the benefit of spending the SP to gain the master professions because there is not enough in those boxes to justify the cost. I fear that many will drop the profession, or that new players will not see it as worthwhile, and I think we would really be better off if our elite abilities made it live with the CU instead of some undetermined date afterward."
You think to yourself "You know what? That's a very good point. My tasks 2-5 are really awesome additions to the game, but they're not as directly affected by the CU. I think I can focus a little more on the entertainer abilities, and see if I can get it out ahead of schedule (and I might even impress my manager by doing so)," and you alter your schedule to tilt a little more toward the entertainer changes.
Scenario 2) You go read feedback on your post telling entertainers that you're working on more abilities for them, and you read "This is a huge nerf to entertainers, and I can't believe you want to hurt us this badly. Are you so blind that you can't see that these inspirations (which are hardly inspiring) don't do anything for us? Are you that stupid? Why do you insist on taking away all our abilities and making us worthless? I might as well quit the game right now!"
You think to yourself "Ouch
. I thought my ideas were pretty good. I'm trying to make something good, and I have a lot more planned for them! Maybe the idea just sucks though, and I'm wasting my time. I hope my manager doesn't see all this negative feedback, or he'll think I did a bad job - I'm sure he'll just scrap what I'm doing now, so I might as well focus on tasks 2-5. And sheesh, I learned my lesson, I'm not going to post publicly about those tasks; I don't need this kind of harrassment, I'll just do my work behind the scenes and let Tiggs and Thunderheart take the heat," and you push the entertainer changes to the back of your mind, and focus your daily work on the other stuff instead.Let me tell you, my only concern is to try to get for us entertainers as much awesome stuff as we can get. I want them to be the best professions in the game. I think part of what will help us to get that is to realize that devs are people, that giving them useful information helps us, while yelling doesn't help us and could even hurt us. And if you truly honestly believe that given the information that you have, that it's set in stone that we will be nerfed, that the end of the professions is nigh, and that we'll be scrapped to the trash bin of SWG history, then you'd have quit the game and not looked back. I know I would if I believed that. If you're still here, it looks to me like you still have hope that things will get better. Just realize that yelling that it's a fact that things are getting irrevocably worse doesn't make things better.
Anyways, /howdy to all the dancers. My musicians are being too quiet today, so I came over here to visit. This post applies to everyone giving feedback, and if my musicians get too rowdy, I'll definitely be pointing them here
.
Schardour
Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:53 pm
#31
Eaca wrote:
....as buff EHxp isn't shared with the group...
Then maybe that's something we should discuss, as it's a real issue. It doesn't mean we're screwed, just that we have an issue to bring to their attention and hopefully have addressed.
It doesn't mean we're screwed, just that we have an issue to bring to their attention and hopefully have addressed.
Einhinder
Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:59 pm
#33
Schardour wrote:
Eaca wrote:
....as buff EHxp isn't shared with the group...
Then maybe that's something we should discuss, as it's a real issue.
agreed i think we all need to stop withhe sky is falling attitude as we've seen how far we've gotten with it thus far
If you look for the evil in man you will surley find it-lincon
well id we look for the dev's to screw us thats all there gonna do because no matter what they offer were not gonna be happy
were in need of a serious attitude adjustment and start looking for the good in them andthere ideas lets face it we are NOT going to get every little thing we want but maybe if we work with the devs and give them the benifit of the doubt we might be able to get things we can at least be happy with.
Eaca
Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:08 pm
#34
I don't buy the whole "keep positive or we won't get anything" any more. We were positive for well over a year and what did it get us? Nothing. It only recently started getting negative around here and we only recently started getting attention. TBH if it wasn't for the fact that 6 months ago I didn't think they couldn't possibly screw up the game as bad as they are I WOULD be gone, but as it stands they got about $90 of mine that I still need to TRY to squeeze some enjoyment out of.
P.S. Hey devs, if you're reading this, gimme a refund and I'm out of your hair.
Schardour
Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:17 pm
#35
Eaca wrote:
I don't buy the whole "keep positive or we won't get anything" any more.
Oh, nobody's forcing anybody to be bubbly and sweet, but some of us are sick of reading the super-b!tch posts that keep popping up in all of the dev-monitored threads. [Edit: Or here, for that matter.]
Message Edited by Schardour on 04-07-2005 05:29 PM
Schardour
Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:21 pm
#36
But it's still ok to express disagreement with a given system. Alot of people don't like the passivity of the system one bit, and it needs to be brought to their attention.
Schardour
Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:39 pm
#38
kirah_ashlin wrote:
*Wonders where the Stepford-Til came from*
Hey, I got some last night.... A few times. just read a positive communication from a developer.
So I'm in a good mood today, k?
Message Edited by Schardour on 04-07-2005 05:41 PM
EsclavoTKM
Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:43 pm
#39
Schardour wrote:
Eaca wrote:I don't buy the whole "keep positive or we won't get anything" any more.Oh, nobody's forcing anybody to be bubbly and sweet, but some of us are sick of reading the super-b!tch posts that keep popping up in all of the dev-monitored threads. [Edit: Or here, for that matter.]Message Edited by Schardour on 04-07-2005 05:29 PM
Hahaha, I'm going to freely admit that I have been a huge whench about this whole CU. Do I feel bad after I make a really mean post directed at the developers? a little, yeah. But I really think they need to stop treating us like rats in a cage and actually give out some information. I don't care about their NDA or whatever. The combat upgrade is basically a whole new game and I don't even think they were planning to addess entertainers at all during this time. I think that the collective voice (whether sugar coated words or pure anger) of entertainers caused them to rethink "putting it in after the cu is done". I also think that some of the very passionate responses by entertainers to this new "buff" is what caused him to come right out and give some answers. Like I said, at least he did this, which is more than I can say for the other developers.
I'm not going to say the sky is falling, but I'm also not going to say this is giving me enough desire to continue playing after the CU is done if the other stuff is still working the way it is. If on the other hand, the other developers were to come out and answer the other questions, I might be able to rethink.