Dancer Archive
Thread: I AFK Macro Dance Here Is Why
annshadow wrote:What I am saying is this. Come to Lok and I will gladly leave.
There have been no entertainers on any regular basis on Lok or Dathomir since the game started.
I am going to try to say this. One. More. Time. Then I will give up.
YOU did not go to Lok for free in the hopes that someone would pay you after you got there. YOU were HIRED to go there because no one was there.
Now that you are there 24/7, the situation of "no one is there let's hire a dancer" can NEVER COME UP AGAIN. You are seeing to it that you will NEVER have to follow through on your offer to leave because the conditions that got YOU to Lok, by your very being there 24/7, cease to exist.
You don't have to leave Lok. Just be there ONLY when you are at-keyboard, and log out otherwise. This will give incentive to the Lok-ians to HIRE other people just like they HIRED you, and there will be people at the cantina many times of day.
But no. You refuse to do that. You insist on bot'ing yourself 24/7, thereby seeing to it that there is no incentive whatsoever for the Lok-ians to ever contract hire any other entertainer -- as you were hired -- in perpetuity.
Sorry if I don't believe the whole argument that you are doing it "for others." It seems to me like what you are doing is trying to ensure that you stay there and rake in the credits while seeing to it that the Lok player base has no reason to ever hire or pay anyone else.
C
Would you then consider them a successful architect with lots of skill?
- J
If you hate AFK entertainers so much dont listen to them.
If you listen to them you should tip them, whethey they are afk or not. This is the case especially in the higher level planets that have no entertainers. If you make it worthwile by tipping, eventually you will see non-AFK entertainers there as well.
Ranende wrote:
If you listen to them you should tip them, whethey they are afk or not. This is the case especially in the higher level planets that have no entertainers. If you make it worthwile by tipping, eventually you will see non-AFK entertainers there as well.
AMEN
All I am getting is flack for going out to a higher level planet to provide a needed service.
But you know what? The only ones giving me Crap are other entertainers. Entertainers that have not bothered to go out to these places and develop a clientle.
Again. I challenge the entertainer community. Get out of the Cantinas with your 20 player groups where you get 1000+ healing exp and put your money where your mouth is.
Show me that you are a better entertainer than I am. Be Bob Hope and go to the war zone to entertain the troups.
My show may not be live, but Hey... A movie may not be as good as a live Play. But it is still entertaining and better than nothing.
Lets face it. No one is coming to Lok to perform. The tips suk. The Healing Exp suks. And you are dancing alone instead of Huge Exp grind Dance Groups so the exp suks.
Come to Lok. I will gladly Leave. But I will not leave them with nothing.
"You are not the solution to the problem. You ARE the problem. People see you, AFK dancing there, essentially a permanent NPC dancer who they don't have to pay. As a result they don't understand why they should have to tip ANY entertainer when anyone can just set up an entertainment macro and go watch TV. Many entertainers cannot even afford a ticket to Lok, and even were we to go, would have to entertain for a good long time to even hope to break even off of tips. Why? Because those people are used to getting their healing for free from you, why should they pay us?"
I am sorry, but this is bull. I know of dancers going AFK all night and coming back in the morning to find lots of tips left during the night...more than I made staying on-line and talking to folks. And I dont believe that a player wont tip a live interative dancer/entertainer because a few hours earlier he got healed "free" by an AFK dancer on another planet. The reasons are varied as to why people dont tip or dont tip much:
1. They dont want to (they probably dont tip in real life, either)
2. They dont have much money
3. They dont realize they need to (some folks dont read these forum threads)
4. They get distracted with others in the cantaina (planning the next Krayt Dragon run) and forget.
Theentertainersthat AFK for extended periods may be rude or trying to exploit the game, but they are not the reason YOU did not get a tip. Remember, medics have the same problem and they cant go AFK and get experience points healing players. Face the fact that youpicked a profession that is dependent on the charity of others.If money is your main motivation, you picked the wrong profession for sure!
I started as a dancer. I got tired of spending all my time in the cantinas and quite frankly, I got tired of seeing everyone else coming in the bar in nice clothes and flashing their money while I wasnt making near the cash that someone else was getting while running combat missions on some far out moon somewhere. The truth be known, I am not as social as most, so Dancer was the wrong profession for me. I tried about 12 professions before I found the combination I like...a little combat,medic,dance, and master artisan (I am VERY independent).
Interesting note in the starting profession poll...only 3.4% of players start as entertainers, 4% start as medics. About 25% start asartisans. I wonder how many later pick up entertainment and medicskills......
You will all be happy to know that I no longer have to dance on Lok. The last few days there has been one other dancer there and so I went out and did some missions.
A few things though... I never wrote that someone Paid my way to Lok. I said I was ASKED to come
You two have said I was paid to come to Lok and I mistakenly repeated it.
Here is what I said in my first post
I enjoyed the comradery so much that I started a dancer.... but, I afk dance....
BECAUSE I WAS ASKED TO>>>
Like I said.. I was ASKED to come to Lok and dance. People are tipping me as a bribe to stay.
In my second post I said this.
As far as money goes... Last night I asked my wife if she needed any money to buy clothes for her character ... She said no, that she had about 30k... I said "wow.. how did you get so much" She said she had spent the last few hours running delivery missions on naboo.
Here is a tip for you>>> You can do delivery missions on naboo from Moenie to Kor Valla for 1k each ... that is 2k per trip... the ticket cost 250credits ... Net profit $1700... round trip $2.4k
Tell me again how you cannot afford the $1660 plane fare to Lok?
In my third post I said this.
Actually, I am doing exactly what you proposed. I was asked, HIRED, to come to Lok to heal mind wounds. I continue to get way more in Tips there even being AFK and Announcing that I am AFK then I ever got as a Fat Male Dancer competing with the skin tight leotard clad buxom beauties on Tatooine/Naboo/ and corellia. And, as I said, YOU come to Lok and dance. You compete with me and I will leave. You show the world how much better a conversationalist is than an AFK dancer.
Notice that this is the first post that I said HIRED.... and notice that I set if off in comas? that was because i did not seem to be making myself clear.
Then Chessack started even further to get away from what I said in my post and went off on his/her own tangent.
Now that YOU are there ALL THE TIME, the Lok players have absolutely no reason to contact any other entertainers and PAY them to come to Lok as you were paid.
So by your very actions you are preventing people from enjoying the same thing you yourself got -- a contract hire to get you to a remote world.
So this is the first time someone said that I was there all the time.
Then Pickles took it up and said.
Here is the problem then, "annshadow".
You were HIRED to go there. If you played the game NORMALLY (ie. a few hours a day at keyboard) the guys who HIRED you would have to contract with other at-keyboard entertainers during your off-hours. Assuming 3 hours at keyboard per entertainer, Lok and its economy could easily support at least 8 entertainers (and I offer more like 16 - one musician and one dancer). The players on Lok, just like they HIRED you, would be motivated to contact and HIRE 15 other players, if only you weren't there 24/7 AFK Botting.
But you're there. Every day. All day. 24/7. So the Lok players don't need to HIRE or contract any other dancers or musicians because you are always there.
So from my origional post where I said that I was asked to come to Lok. I'm now there 24/7, had my shuttle expenses paid for, and am denying others the chance to dance and compete with me.
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Seems Chessack and Pickles don't need any input from me at all. They can simply make up their own argument.
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LOL and Here I am trying to defend myself against things I never said ...
Ok.. well, You win. I can't try to defend my points if I'm not even saying them.
annshadow wrote:Then Pickles took it up and said.
Here is the problem then, "annshadow".
You were HIRED to go there. If you played the game NORMALLY (ie. a few hours a day at keyboard) the guys who HIRED you would have to contract with other at-keyboard entertainers during your off-hours. Assuming 3 hours at keyboard per entertainer, Lok and its economy could easily support at least 8 entertainers (and I offer more like 16 - one musician and one dancer). The players on Lok, just like they HIRED you, would be motivated to contact and HIRE 15 other players, if only you weren't there 24/7 AFK Botting.
But you're there. Every day. All day. 24/7. So the Lok players don't need to HIRE or contract any other dancers or musicians because you are always there.
What I find ironic, is that you say you are defending yourself against things you never said in the very same post where you attribute a paragraph of text to me that *I* never said.
Those were not my words up there.
- J
Oh, I realize this, Saphie. I'm not after money, trust me. I went in eyes wide open. My beef with AFK entertainers goes WAY past their effect on the tip situation.
"Interesting note in the starting profession poll...only 3.4% of players start as entertainers, 4% start as medics. About 25% start as artisans. I wonder how many later pick up entertainment and medic skills......"
Lots of people start as artisans because they get a variety of free survey and crafting tools to begin with. By the way, where are those statistics posted, and are there other interesting stats there for people to view?
- J
I wouldn't have minded just buying one for 100 cr, but the first day I tried it, the only couple available were all on multi day auctions (not insta-buy), and I was stuck...
Heh. So yeah I can understand taking artisan to start and then selling it back, just to get the free implements. :-)
Also, a LOT of people pick up Ent after a while either just to try it out or to heal their own BF if there is no entertainer around.
C
Opps... Sorry PIcklesSW 
. I was copying and pasting and got distracted and then the ... um... the phone started ringing and then the tornado came and the roof fell in on me and the hurricane and ... Oh lightning and thunder , typhoon, flood......... it wasn't my fault ... (well. That is a poor imitation of the blues brothers scene where John Belushi was trying to make excuses for not marrying [Princess Leiah]) .
Anyway.
As one person said. We will have to agree to disagree. I happen to agree with a lot of your positions.
I think we all agree on not tipping AFK dancers. In fact, In my AFK message (the one you get if you send a tell to a person) I say "I am AFK .... dancing On Lok... Please Tip the live dancers"
So. I went to Lok a few more times and there has been peps there so maybe I will go to dantooine or Dathomir at night. But I am saving up for some armor so will have to run some missions.
Plus my wife BabyFace Finster, and I bought a Medium Naboo House which cost about 750 a day to maintain. And we want to furnish it. Got to get a second wedding ring so we can "tie-the-knot" in game.
Wait a second............. Isn't this supposed to be a fantasy game??
The poll has been on the website for a while, and still up the last time I checked. I finally took it a few days ago and it gave the results after I completed it. I dont know if the percentages have changed over the past few weeks with new players coming on board. The numbers i quoted were as of last week.
Wow, I will never understand why people don't like AFK macroers. On bloodfin I have never had a problem with them. I afk macro at night, I am capped on both dancing and healing xp, but by me dancing the novice entertainers in the group get better xp so I am helping them by macroing. And even if the group disbands and a new one starts, i have a /join in my macro that would join me with the new group when they invited me.
If its money you want, you are in the wrong profession. I make anywhere between 3-5k over night. When I am at my computer I can make anywhere from 5-10k an hour. That is with afk macroers and that is from when I started dancing until now. If you can't make money, there are a few possible things you are doing wrong. You aren't social, or you are a male dancer. These are the 2 biggest things I have seen.
As for respect as a profession, I see no lack of respect anywhere. I have been asked by about 6 different guilds in 2 weeks to join because they need entertainers. I was just recently hired by a player run cantina that operates at the Kraytt Valley. To me, I see nothing but respect for my profession. Maybe it is the people that /deny everyone at the door in order to squeeze every last credit out of customers that cause people to disrespect our profession. Most of the people that don't tip me are poor newbies that just started. I have received tips from 10 creds up to 20k creds. Even when I wasn't master I could stand back in the cantina and greet every single person that walked in, and most of the time they walked right past the AFK dancers to sit and interact with me.
Now most of the dancers I see that aren't AFK don't interact at all with the customers. Some have taken my lead by doing a /greet or a /smile to every single person that walks into the cantina.
Like many others I dance for the social aspect. I AFK macro for my friends in the cantina who I am helping by dancing with them. Now there are other master dancers that come in, I won't mention any names, and refuse to group. Many times they go afk and macro not in the group. This steals XP from everyone else and I can't stand that.
And to merge threads a little, I have one of the welcome to the cantina macros going when I dance. Whether I am AFK or not. I find it helps welcome people to the cantina. It helps people get to know you if they are just walking by the cantina and see your name.
So if anyone can explain to me why AFK dancing is bad, please do so.
(Please note, all my views are based on my observations)